Bernard Hopkins Vs Sonny Liston

[them_apples]

lol Well according to alot of folks in the fantasy fights thread, Dempsey was a bum who would get taken by any half way decent fighter

Dempsey's resume is very lack-luster. Many people think that way of him for good reason.

[TheGreatA]

If Marty Marshall, a light heavyweight journeyman, could trouble Liston so much in 3 fights then Hopkins would probably beat him.

Eddie Machen and Bert Whitehurst were only around 190-200 lbs yet they both went the distance with Liston because they were good defensive fighters. Hopkins could come in at 200-210 lbs and still keep all of his speed and stamina with increased strength because of modern nutrition.

Hopkins by UD

Hopkins neutralized Trinidad's left hook and Kelly Pavlik's right hand, he wouldn't have any trouble taking away Liston's best weapon which is the left jab. Without the jab Liston is just a wild swinging slugger who would have no chance of landing a glove on B-Hop.

[Kid McCoy]

If Marty Marshall, a light heavyweight journeyman, could trouble Liston so much in 3 fights then Hopkins would probably beat him.

Eddie Machen and Bert Whitehurst were only around 190-200 lbs yet they both went the distance with Liston because they were good defensive fighters. Hopkins could come in at 200-210 lbs and still keep all of his speed and stamina with increased strength because of modern nutrition.

Hopkins by UD

Hopkins neutralized Trinidad's left hook and Kelly Pavlik's right hand, he wouldn't have any trouble taking away Liston's best weapon which is the left jab. Without the jab Liston is just a wild swinging slugger who would have no chance of landing a glove on B-Hop.

Okay, who wants to start the Hopkins vs Ali thread? That's if the Ali fans would dare match their hero against the all-conquering force of nature that is B-Hop!

[res]

Dempsey's resume is very lack-luster. Many people think that way of him for good reason.

Who do you think Dempsey should have fought in his time?


Funny how alot of people don't apply that critera to Mike Tyson.


Tyson failed to fight (or lost to) all of the greats of his era: Evander Holyfield, Lennox lewis, Rid**** Bowe, George Foreman. He did not prove that he was in the upper echelon of the fighters of his time.

Dempsey clearly did.

[res]

Okay, who wants to start the Hopkins vs Ali thread? That's if the Ali fans would dare match their hero against the all-conquering force of nature that is B-Hop!

Nah, apparently the theme here is that it's heavyweight fighters before the 1960's that all ****** and therefore a guy like B-Hop could take them.

[mickyward5656]

yea liston would most likely KO hopkins with one clean jab. and god help him if he lands a left hook. liston by KO in round 1.

[Oasis_Lad]

The sodomist becomes the sodomised. Liston by **** stomp.

[KostyaTszyu44]

My man, Im not talking p4p, but at the particular weight they would have to fight at. Does Tarver or even Calzaghe come close to presenting the theat any of the previously mentioned fighters would?

Marciano beat Ezzard Charles twice. Anybody who knows anything of boxing history will tell you Charles was superior to Hopkins at 175 and p4p. Im not knocking Hopkins, the guy is great. But he's proven nothing to even be considered formidable to the greats that people have been trying to match him against.

Fantasy match ups are fun, but lets try to at least keep it within the realm of reality. Know what I mean?

yeah very true, good post

[Southpaw16BF]

My man, Im not talking p4p, but at the particular weight they would have to fight at. Does Tarver or even Calzaghe come close to presenting the theat any of the previously mentioned fighters would?

Marciano beat Ezzard Charles twice. Anybody who knows anything of boxing history will tell you Charles was superior to Hopkins at 175 and p4p. Im not knocking Hopkins, the guy is great. But he's proven nothing to even be considered formidable to the greats that people have been trying to match him against.

Fantasy match ups are fun, but lets try to at least keep it within the realm of reality. Know what I mean?

But the only thing is when Ezzard fought The Rock, he was way past his prime and it wasn't the Charles who had just stepped up from LHW, going into that fight in his last 4 he'd won 2 and lost 2, against Nino Valdes who at the time was 22-9-3, and then Harold Johnsen 41-5-0, who he had already beaten previsouly.

So even do i think these fantasy match up are getting to much comparing B-Hop with all the great heavyweights, i think if Hopkins were to move up now from LHW, he may give the Rock a better try than Ezzard, and that is saying something as Charles give Marciano really good efforts both times and at one point opened a cut on the Rocks nose that was on its way of being stopped.

[them_apples]

Who do you think Dempsey should have fought in his time?


Funny how alot of people don't apply that critera to Mike Tyson.


Tyson failed to fight (or lost to) all of the greats of his era: Evander Holyfield, Lennox lewis, Rid**** Bowe, George Foreman. He did not prove that he was in the upper echelon of the fighters of his time.

Dempsey clearly did.

Yea he did? I'ts not like I have Tyson at no.1, I have him at no.8 on my ATG hW list. Why did you even bring up Mike Tyson. He's not even my favourite heavyweight, Evander Holyfield Happens to be. Tyson didn't lose to all the greats of his Era, if you are going to put George Foreman on there, who was 40+ years old, than 38 year old Holmes counts as well since he came back and beat Mercer - went 12 with Holyfield.


Dempsey did far worse, he lost to even bigger bums than Tyson did. Even his big "wins" were against pretty sub par competition. Jess Willard? lol come on..anyone here see "Valuev"

If a Prime Holyfield fought Dempsey, he'd stop him in 2. If you are going by "during his day" then yes obviously Dempsey was one of the best.