POLL: One heavyweight who would rule them all in any era

[La_Vibora]

Wy no love for Jack Johnson? He surely would have given every single person on that list some trouble and could have beaten anyone on that list imo. He was an incredible boxing mind who no doubt would have benefited from todays technology by being able to view and analyze video of his opponent. Both Ali and Holmes thought that Johnson would have given them more trouble than any other fighter before them. I also think Johnson would have beaten Joe Louis. After all, he did predict that Louis would lose to Max Schmeling the first time because he felt Joe was off balance all the time. He also felt a clever sharp shooter with a right hand would beat Louis.

[StarshipTrooper]

Okay? I dont think I can make a logical argument with you. You just dont see past your nose.

Tyson doesn't just charge in, he closes distance and weaves at the same time. The Tyson im talking about, im not talking about the one who believes he can put anyone away with one punch.(two different mentalities)

Tyson would be better off charging in than fighting in his prefered style. Against Ali all that gets him is an extended head whipping.

The guys you mention foreman etc. Just charge in. Thats a big difference, getting hit trying to fight your range and not getting hit trying to fight your range. Do you see that? Because thats basic infighting, or are you still living in the 60s?)

I know infighting better than you do. Joe Frazier was a superior infighter to Tyson as Mike prefered to fight at mid-range to get maxium leverage on his punches.

Also, I never said anything about Ali being trash(in your words "suck"). I think he is great for his time because heavyweights then didn't know how to fight dancers.

You just demonstrated your bias yet again: "great FOR HIS TIME" implies a belief that compared to the past 20 years his time ******. Obviously you are in the "modern cult" and drink plenty of KoolAid. The idea that no one knew how to fight dancers back then is pure bull****. Dancers had been around since the turn of the century and was nothing new at the time Ali fought. The idea that someone has come up with some revolutionary strategy to deal with the is equaly bull****.

Now-a-days it wont be surprising to see someone move and prance about the ring at higher weight class in part to Ali revolutionizing the sport.

That made no ******** sense. Why not just ask if I've seen your baseball?
You said you like Gayweather who's not a dancer but rather a track star: If he thinks you can hurt him he'll run like a thief.

Contradicting my statements? Im not doing that at all. Im just not the type of person who will totally disregard one thing because I like something opposite.

You've done it every post.

I think thats your problem right there. You talk about me brain washed, look in the mirror.

I think your problem is you approach boxing with a preconceived notion that everything NOW is automatically superior to THEN which is just brain-washed ignorance.

You love Ali so damn much you cant even fathom him losing to anyone now-a-days. ****ing ******.

Try again. I'm not even an Ali fan: I'm a Joe Louis fan. I don't particularly care for Ali as a person for a number of reasons. While I may admire his abilities in the ring his out of the ring deficiencies preclude me from being a fan. I do like Joe Frazier though.

YOU, on the other hand, are fan of post 1980s boxing: All well and good until you start trying to push it's fighters forward as being better than anything that comes before. That's just ignorant.

On the other hand I don't push any era of boxing as a whole as superior to any other as I believe there are great fighters in every era. Consequently I rate Bernard Hopkins, Marco Antonio Barerra, Manny Pacquiao for example from today or the very near past as ATGs. I DO, however, recognize that individual weight classes have ups and downs: Sometimes great, sometimes terrible, and it has nothing to do with where they fall on the chronological timeline. The Heavyweight division ****** in the 80s, it was great in the 90s, and sucks again now.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

Wy no love for Jack Johnson? He surely would have given every single person on that list some trouble and could have beaten anyone on that list imo. He was an incredible boxing mind who no doubt would have benefited from todays technology by being able to view and analyze video of his opponent. Both Ali and Holmes thought that Johnson would have given them more trouble than any other fighter before them. I also think Johnson would have beaten Joe Louis. After all, he did predict that Louis would lose to Max Schmeling the first time because he felt Joe was off balance all the time. He also felt a clever sharp shooter with a right hand would beat Louis.

I rate Jack Johnson as my number 3 ATG Heavyweight which is a lot higher than most. There's a built in antipathy on this forum for any fighter that fought pre-1930. It's not as obnoxious as the "every prior to 1980 or 1990 ******" crowd but it IS a bias shared by many of the intelligient, knowledgable posters here. This is a subject I don't call people out on because it's one that's shared by people who are otherwise great posters that I'm loath to get in a brawl with over one ***** their otherwise impeccable track records.

Poet

[F l i c k e r]

whatever bro. two different opinions. just leave it at that.

[StarshipTrooper]

whatever bro. two different opinions. just leave it at that.

As I said, opinions are like *******s: The wrong people have them and they're all full of ****. I prefer reading posts by people who actually KNOW what the phuck they're talking about rather than people who deal in OPINIONS I could wipe my ass with.

Poet

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

Prime Holyfield based on constant pressure alone...especially in the era of the 15 rounders

[StarshipTrooper]

Prime Holyfield based on constant pressure alone...especially in the era of the 15 rounders

Ironically Holyfield was one of the principles in the last great 15 rounder against Dwight Qawi.

Poet

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

Ironically Holyfield was one of the principles in the last great 15 rounder against Dwight Qawi.

Poet

this is quite true

[j]

yeah, weird that jack johnson does not get the recognition. i could tell just by the manner and way he handled fighters that he would be a handful for anyone. i would say he could beat ali. i dont overrate ali, so...

i will go with vitali klitschko. he's big, fast enough, and has that instinct that allows him to out-move smaller, quicker heavyweights. and, because of how he moves, his stamina is above formeans i would say. so, a guy like ali wouldnt be able to just tire him out.

[joe strong]

lewis by far.bigger,stronger,faster than any hw.he was technically sound with a full arsonal of punch.lost twice by taking opponents lightly & got 1 punch.he never got clearly beat in any fight.he avenged the loses.basically he got hit TWICE hard.2 punches! Foreman(who everyone over 3 decades except Tyson,lewis & bowe) even said he was the best ever.he said he ducked him in his comeback & said he would have ducked him in his prime.lewis is just a rare athlete with god size & talent.a true one of a kind.emanuel steward was in mccall corner when he beat lewis but resigned & joined lennox lewis.he molded him into the greatest hw ever.oh & people get over the vitali fight...look at his eye it was only the 6th round if goes longer vitali don't see the big rights coming & he would have got ko'd!