POLL: One heavyweight who would rule them all in any era

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  • Knighte
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    #61
    Originally posted by joe strong
    lewis by far.bigger,stronger,faster than any hw.he was technically sound with a full arsonal of punch.lost twice by taking opponents lightly & got 1 punch.he never got clearly beat in any fight.he avenged the loses.basically he got hit TWICE hard.2 punches! Foreman(who everyone over 3 decades except Tyson,lewis & bowe) even said he was the best ever.he said he ducked him in his comeback & said he would have ducked him in his prime.lewis is just a rare athlete with god size & talent.a true one of a kind.emanuel steward was in mccall corner when he beat lewis but resigned & joined lennox lewis.he molded him into the greatest hw ever.oh & people get over the vitali fight...look at his eye it was only the 6th round if goes longer vitali don't see the big rights coming & he would have got ko'd!

    My man, Lewis wasn't faster than anyone. Just because he's the best HW of recent memory doesn't mean he could accomplish jack **** against the likes of prime Ali or Louis.

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    • LondonRingRules
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      #62
      Originally posted by j
      yeah, weird that jack johnson does not get the recognition. i could tell just by the manner and way he handled fighters that he would be a handful for anyone. i would say he could beat ali. i dont overrate ali, so...

      i will go with vitali klitschko. he's big, fast enough, and has that instinct that allows him to out-move smaller, quicker heavyweights. and, because of how he moves, his stamina is above formeans i would say. so, a guy like ali wouldnt be able to just tire him out.
      ** Much more weird that the only fighter who actually did rule an era, Joe Louis, is ranked only 6th by the numbers.

      Johnson did not rule his era since there were over a half dozen heavy contenders with over 1000 wins between them and only a few dozen losses that he wasn't defending against.

      That Lewis gets 15% and Ali 50%, why that's 65% they're hogging, reflecting a certain British and American bias for more modern fighters.

      Pick a ten year slice out of any of the fighters listed, and you're gonna find plenty of weak spots in that span, EXCEPT for Louis.

      Good shout for the attributes Vitali shows, very underrated as is his brother, but my friend, Joe Louis has already been there and done that in spades.

      I vote that we take Louis out of the poll since it's an insult to his legend.

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      • NakiFan
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        #63
        Originally posted by Knighte
        My man, Lewis wasn't faster than anyone. Just because he's the best HW of recent memory doesn't mean he could accomplish jack **** against the likes of prime Ali or Louis.
        Lennox lewis would have absoloutley demolished little Joe Louis, when i see comments like that man..........

        Lennox would smash Louis to kingdom come, I'm not doubting louis was good in his time but lennox would kill him to death

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        • PLATE
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          #64
          Originally posted by Infern0
          Lennox lewis would have absoloutley demolished little Joe Louis, when i see comments like that man..........

          Lennox would smash Louis to kingdom come, I'm not doubting louis was good in his time but lennox would kill him to death


          I don't know about that, stamina was never one of Lewis' strong points. Modern superheavyweights kind of disgust me when I see their tongues hanging out after the 3rd or 4th round of a championship fight.. And Louis wasn't all that little; had they met in Lennox's era he would probably be quite the thoroughbred (having availed himself of recent nutrition, training methods and drugs)

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          • them_apples
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            #65
            Originally posted by PLATE
            I don't know about that, stamina was never one of Lewis' strong points. Modern superheavyweights kind of disgust me when I see their tongues hanging out after the 3rd or 4th round of a championship fight.. And Louis wasn't all that little; had they met in Lennox's era he would probably be quite the thoroughbred (having availed himself of recent nutrition, training methods and drugs)
            When you are 6'5 240+ lbs its generally harder to keep up a fast pace in comparison to a 200 lb 6'2 fighter.

            That's a 40 lbs difference. If weight classes went higher, Lewis would be a few weight classes up.

            I'm not making excuses for guys like Chris Aereola and Samuel Peter, those guys are not legit 250 lb fighters, they are fat and should be coming in at 225-230.

            Lewis and Klitschko are legit big men.

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            • La_Vibora
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              #66
              Lennox Lewis? He was a technically flawed fighter that got knocked out by two mediocre fighters in his prime and he never got a legit win over a great fighter in his prime either (Vitali doesn't count as Lewis was clearly losing that fight). He also had questionable stamina as well, in fact he never had a KO past the 8th round, so imagine him in the era of 15 rounders. In fact, imagine him during Jack Johnson's era of fighting 20+ rounds. Lewis was good for his time, but I am not sure he could have ruled any era.

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              • KostyaTszyu44
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                #67
                Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                First of all I have watched him fight and I dont see anything special. I see a big heavyweight bounce around the ring with his arms down throwing stiff jabs at idiots who just try to charge in. Then when they get tired he finishes them. Oh yeah, I also seen Ali gas before, so its really nothing special at all. He also doesn't fair too well when being hit hard.

                All that show boating tactics like when he sits in the corner and lets the opponent swing at him. That **** would get him knocked out if he used it against Tyson. So how about quit living back then and see the now. Or at least the not to distant past.

                Oh yeah, and I dont overrate power at all. I tell it like I see it. Tyson's prime wasn't as long as everyone elses thats all. Everyone is different. After firing his regular trainer before the douglas fight all he did was look for KOs instead of letting them come to him. You know the say "if you seek it you will not find it". Now please dont tell me your too dumb to not know that.

                Also, I dont give a **** about power boxing at all. I enjoy technical fighting more so than a slug fest. I like watching a brawl but I enjoy and respect tactitions more. Which is why I liked watching Floyd more than Cotto. And didn't like Pacquiao until he grew half a brain(now he needs a defense). Which is why I dont have a favorite boxer who is active and which is why I like Sugar Ray Leonard so damn much.
                you're a ****ing moron is all i will say, i cant be bothered to dissect every idiotic sentence of your post

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                • KostyaTszyu44
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by F l i c k e r
                  Tyson in the 80s. Impetuous style, impregnable defense, and ferocious attacks. but seriously, he was too damn fast and too damn powerful to be stopped. Ali was great but honestly, the speed and power of Tyson would have eventually caught him in the later rounds. Only if he would have never met Don King and fired Kevin Rooney...
                  hahahaha tell that to buster douglas

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                  • joe strong
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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Knighte
                    My man, Lewis wasn't faster than anyone. Just because he's the best HW of recent memory doesn't mean he could accomplish jack **** against the likes of prime Ali or Louis.
                    Ali was what 212lbs lol! All them all time great were great but lewis was a solid big 245 in his prime at 6'5.Frazier, Johnson were cruiserweights for duck sake!

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                    • AKATheMack
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                      #70
                      "Ali doesn't fair too well when being hit hard. " Watch the left he takes from Cooper and especially the left he takes from Frazier. Most people would still be out.

                      I have to go with George, hes proved he can take it all in different eras. Joe Louis is one of the tyop CWs in history, but Big George knocks him out of his shoes. Some of these SHWs have the reach and power to keep boxers like Ali at bay, but Foreman is big enough and strong enough to catch up with any of these 6'6" 250lb+ boxers from the past 10yrs.

                      And people criticize Tyson for losing to Douglas the Douglas that beat Tyson gives any fighter on this poll trouble.

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