joe calzaghe is no more of a fraud then sugar ray leonard

[billionaire]

Is ignorance really bliss, or do you care to outline the facts of this ridiculous claim?

watch the leonard-hearns 2 countdown on youtube even they say hearns was drained at 147, they knew he would get tired......youre obviously not informed on the subject, your like a tabloid reporter and im an investigative journalist....

[JAB5239]

watch the leonard-hearns 2 countdown on youtube even they say hearns was drained at 147, they knew he would get tired......youre obviously not informed on the subject, your like a tabloid reporter and im an investigative journalist....

Lmao!! You're an idiot. We're all still anxiously waiting for you to explain how Calzaghe has a better resume than Leonard. Time to put up or shut, son.

[JAB5239]

watch the leonard-hearns 2 countdown on youtube even they say hearns was drained at 147, they knew he would get tired......youre obviously not informed on the subject, your like a tabloid reporter and im an investigative journalist....

And Leonard had nothing to do with it, right? Answer me this Andy Rooney.....how many other welterweights at that time, or throughout history for that matter, would have beat Hearns that night? You keep reaching, I'll keep laughing.

[Ishy Aytan]

sweet ray leonard beat hearns in the 14th round...if it went 12 rounds he would have lost on the cards easy.....plus the fight was at 147 where hearns was drained

3 year layoff dont mean much when you beat a guy whos on the decline....tito trinidads destruction of mayorga was alot better then leonards controversial win over hagler

calzaghe has a better resume then leonard

LOL..... Your incredibly ******.

[andrewcuff]

sweet ray leonard beat hearns in the 14th round...if it went 12 rounds he would have lost on the cards easy.....

Well unfortunately fights in those days were 15 rounds, so the point is meaningless.

plus the fight was at 147 where hearns was drained

Drained? 147 was the division he fought at then? He was the WBA Welterweight Champ. The problem was he sacked his nutritionalist during training and managed his weight on his own, which is why he came into the fight at 145 that night. Nothing to do with being weight drained.

Also, Leonard had only fought once in 5 years when he stepped into the ring with Hagler. Hardly an advantage?! If you think Hagler was shot at that point go and watch his previous fight against Mugabi. His skills may have been on the slide at that point, but he was far from shot.

Additionally Leonard has wins against Benitez and Duran. Please explain how this makes him a fraud?

You are giving us Brits a very bad name

[Scary]

As much as I am a Calzaghe fan, he doesn't have the same resume as SRL. Let's just close it here.

Calzaghe needs at least to rematch Hopkins and beat Chad convinsingly before we can claim that he is at the same level as SRL.

[evilp0ptart]

Lmao!! You're an idiot. We're all still anxiously waiting for you to explain how Calzaghe has a better resume than Leonard. Time to put up or shut, son.

cough BAIT THREAD cough

Calzaghe needs at least to rematch Hopkins and beat Chad convinsingly before we can claim that he is at the same level as SRL.

IMO Calzaghe beating Hopkins again and Dawson still does not stack up to anything like Sugar Ray Leonard's excellent resume....

Where is Calzaghe's Duran? Benitez? Hagler? Hearns??? No one on Calzaghe's resume can stack up to any of those guys, besides maybe Hopkins, but he gave Calzaghe hell and was quite old when they fought.

[joseph5620]

people complain about calzaghe waiting until yones and hopkins were 40 until fighting them....what about basehead ray leonard waiting until hagler and hearns were shot until giving him a rematch....leonard vs hagler=calzaghe vs hopkins

I like Calzaghe but your comparison is ridiculous. At welterweight, Leonard beat Hearns,Benitez, and Duran. 3 of the greatest fighters in history. Kessler and Lacy don't match up to any of those fighters. As far as the Hagler fight, Leonard came back after a 3 year lay off and beat a Hagler coming of KO's of Hearns and Mugabi. Hardly what I would call a safe fight for him.

[Fi5hbone]

I certainly respect Calzaghe and what he has accomplished as fighter but to compare his resume to SRL's is a bit ridiculous...Joe C never faced the caliber of fighters that Leonard did while he was in his prime...Case closed...

[Kid McCoy]

It's very hard to get an objective opinion on Joe. Most either have him down as an overrated fraud or an all-time great. In reality, he's neither. He is a very good fighter with some excellent wins to his name and will likely be in the Hall of Fame. But when all's said and done, his resume is thin and lacking major names. Maybe he ducked them, maybe they ducked him, maybe it was just unfortunate circumstances. Regardless, that's what keeps him from the elite, imo.

As for Ray Leonard, there are various issues I do have with his career, mainly the brevity of it and the lack of meaningful rematches after close wins. That being said, his greatness is undeniable and I see him as a class above Calzaghe, p4p and overall. The wins over Hearns and Benitez in particular surpass any of Joe's.