How well would SRR do by todays standard?

[!! Shawn]

Robinson was better then Shane. He threw more fluid combinations, had a better jab, and was a lot stronger. I also would say he was a bit faster.



Do you have a link for this? I haven't seen it and this was at Welterweight/Lightweight wasn't it (depends which one). They fought twice right?

There is no difference in the fluidity of combinations between the two. Shane was faster than Robinson. At 135 he was just as strong as Robinson, and had a stiff assertive jab.

[KostyaTszyu44]

robinson would do very well

i see him beating everyone from 147-160 ....and even if he weighed in lighter i could still see him taking a lot of 168 and 175 pounders to school

just a beautiful all round boxer

he could knock you out with any punch, from any angle, to any part of your body


he could out box you

he could take a hell of a punch

marvellous fighter, i have seen none better

[warp1432]

There is no difference in the fluidity of combinations between the two. Shane was faster than Robinson. At 135 he was just as strong as Robinson, and had a stiff assertive jab.

I'd say there were. Robinson's combinations were much more well timed and dug into the body the faster. I wouldn't say Shane is necessarily faster then Robinson. There isn't much prime footage to judge off of.

[mcentepede]

Robinson is the man. The Perfect fighting machine. The films say it all, his record says it all. Over 200 pro fights (117 knock-outs), only 17 defeats. Over 80 amateur fights (68 knock-outs)only 1 defeat. Never been knocked-out, stopped only when heat dehydrated him and every-body in the arena, that should not count. Fought every-body in his time and out of his time, was always a threat even when over the hill. Can`t beat that. Every punch in his arsenal was powerful. He would clean up today`s fighters...given the same nutrition as today. Only Marvin Hagler might give him a true test, and Hagler retired 20 years ago. Ray Robinson could box, brawl, slug, out-slick, out-style and knock you out with one punch with either hand...watch the films again. The old films, he still looks stylish and powerful.

[COOP407]

This may be the old school in me talking, but I think he beats just about anyone out there today from welter to middle. He was just too perfect a fighting machine, and with that horrific power, he could stop just about anyone. It's just a shame that more of his prime fights aren't on video, so people could see what real perfection looks like.

[Lubutheimmortal]

This may be the old school in me talking, but I think he beats just about anyone out there today from welter to middle. He was just too perfect a fighting machine, and with that horrific power, he could stop just about anyone. It's just a shame that more of his prime fights aren't on video, so people could see what real perfection looks like.

Their are several of todays MW's, and WW's I'd love to see step in the ring. with the ringmaster SRR. I see Sugar winning against each one in a best two out of three. He had it all, and more importantly learned from his losses and mistakes (both where very rare however).

[pbftxrs316]

ray robinson vs floyd mayweather jr at 147----that would be the fight of all fights imo. as far as ray robinson and shane goes, i feel ray robinson is much better skilled p4p than shane is, and floyd is much better than shane is also, better balance, better fluidness, better accuracy, muuch much better defense, i would favor floyd to beat ray robinson also, but those two along with ali, are the top 3 skilled fighters overall i've ever seen. roy jones vs ray robinson i would like to see also.

[wpink1]

ray robinson vs floyd mayweather jr at 147----that would be the fight of all fights imo. as far as ray robinson and shane goes, i feel ray robinson is much better skilled p4p than shane is, and floyd is much better than shane is also, better balance, better fluidness, better accuracy, muuch much better defense, i would favor floyd to beat ray robinson also, but those two along with ali, are the top 3 skilled fighters overall i've ever seen. roy jones vs ray robinson i would like to see also.

You have got to be joking..Mayweather would get completley obliterated. You think he had issues with Judah for 4 rounds, or won SD vs shot dlh...this would not even be a fight...Stoppage in 4.

Now Jones and robinson at middlew....hmmmm i dont know...

[them_apples]

You have got to be joking..Mayweather would get completley obliterated. You think he had issues with Judah for 4 rounds, or won SD vs shot dlh...this would not even be a fight...Stoppage in 4.

Now Jones and robinson at middlew....hmmmm i dont know...

you are overating SRR a little much. He beat a lot of guys and lost rarely, but a lot of those wins were against people he was expected to beat. Remember, in boxing it's quality over quantity and Roy Jones was the better man of the 2.

Ray Robinson did have some big flaws that you don't see in today's top fighters as much. His defense was shaky at times, he took big shot's and didn't have to. he also threw his hooks from his waist often times, and his elbow was not aligned properly (limits power). No boxer is flawless, but I can tell you that a Prime Bernard Hopkins had less flaws than SRR.

don't get me wrong, SRR is a great fighter, very modern for his time and would rip a lot of guys today apart just based on sheer toughness.

I say a Prime Roy Jones beats him, and quite handily. SRR didn't block his face enough, he'd get hit to much by Jones. Hopkins is just better all around, in his prime he threw a lot, contrary to what his recent viewers see and his defense is excellent.

Lamotta did not have great defense, Lamotta was not a big hitter, 30 some odd ko's in 80+ fights? that's not what I call a big hitter. Hagler is a similar fighter with greater handspeed, more power and toughness to match. Also overall a better boxer. Robinson lost to this Lamotta and had hard fought matches with him many times.

I see Robinson having great success at welterweight though, probably beating prime De la Hoya in a hard fought match, beating Margarito and Cotto...

Trinidad is a tough one for me, if he can land his left..which I'm sure he could..

[wpink1]

you are overating SRR a little much. He beat a lot of guys and lost rarely, but a lot of those wins were against people he was expected to beat. Remember, in boxing it's quality over quantity and Roy Jones was the better man of the 2.

Ray Robinson did have some big flaws that you don't see in today's top fighters as much. His defense was shaky at times, he took big shot's and didn't have to. he also threw his hooks from his waist often times, and his elbow was not aligned properly (limits power). No boxer is flawless, but I can tell you that a Prime Bernard Hopkins had less flaws than SRR.

don't get me wrong, SRR is a great fighter, very modern for his time and would rip a lot of guys today apart just based on sheer toughness.

I say a Prime Roy Jones beats him, and quite handily. SRR didn't block his face enough, he'd get hit to much by Jones. Hopkins is just better all around, in his prime he threw a lot, contrary to what his recent viewers see and his defense is excellent.

Lamotta did not have great defense, Lamotta was not a big hitter, 30 some odd ko's in 80+ fights? that's not what I call a big hitter. Hagler is a similar fighter with greater handspeed, more power and toughness to match. Also overall a better boxer. Robinson lost to this Lamotta and had hard fought matches with him many times.

I see Robinson having great success at welterweight though, probably beating prime De la Hoya in a hard fought match, beating Margarito and Cotto...

Trinidad is a tough one for me, if he can land his left..which I'm sure he could..

Them apples, I can respect a lot of what you said. I agree he was modern for his time, and had some flaws. However you post has some glaring flaws in it as well.

Lets see. You say he through his hook from his waist. Hmmmm I ask you who has more power than he did at 130, and he carried it up to 147, and even up to 160. Who else do you know that has done that? His ko percentage was extremely high as well. Where did Sugar ray leoard throw his hooks from a lot of times, and how arching was his looping right hand. How about Mosley who is a poor mans version of robinson, then how about where does Jones throw his punches from a lot. You talk about flaws, roy jones had so many flaws that you could run Trucks through them, no jab, defense based on reflexes only, many times he would back straight back, instead of pivoting to an angle. However roy natural ability and talent reflexes etc..allowed him to beat people...Hmmmmm who did roy beat with one hand. None other than the over rated hopkins. Tell me who did hopkins beat in his title run at middlewieght. The two best he fougth during his middleweight reign that where not moving up to face him he lost too. Yes he has great basic fundementals. However, Hopkins would not win a round vs prime robinson.

Flaw number two you try to say Lamotta beating Robinson, but you leave out lamatto record vs Robinson was 1-5. The time he beat Robinson, Ray had a fight a week before that, and then Ray revenged that loss a week later. Did you point out how bad Ray destroyed lamotta in the St. Valentines day massacre. Talking about left hooks, who is credited for throwing the greatest left hook in a fight in history.....Also Robinson at the time he lost to Lamotta was riding something like a 100 fight winning streak... Please post the facts. Many of the lamatto robinson fights where not close, as the main them of these fights where that Robinson could not get him down and out, not if Robinson was going to win. Robinson was so dominant that champions refused to put their belt on the line to face him, or he would have had the 130 pound belt too (Sammy angott and others). If he had the jr divisions he would have captured the 140, and 154 pound belt too. Then also he came with in 3 minutes or so of capturing the lightheavy weight title. In a fight he was comfortably ahead, but heat exhaustion stopped him and the referee.


Finally, the biggest flaw in your analysis is even bringing up any version off DLH in the same breath as Robinson. When was prime 147 DLH. When he barelly won a controversial decision vs lionlel richie hitting Whitacker ( a great fighter none the less), or when he won a very very controversial fight agaisnt Quartey..the one diminsional fighter that hurt Dlh seriously and dropped him....Or when he ran from the power of Trinidad and gave away that fight...or when lost to a poor mans version of Robinson in Moslley. DlH would be beaten to a pulp, if he dreamed of fighting Robinson. Dlh was soooo overrated it is a joke. He had 0 wins in his career vs prime great fighters that was not disputed. He beat up old Chavez, and the always beaten up Vargas. Got stopped by a body punch by Hopkins...Please. Dlh is not even in the top 100 of fighters all time based on who he beat. Now he did fight everyone, but DlH beat convincingly no one. NOONE..... Please, that is the biggest joke of all time. At 147 is Dlh even in the top 20 all time. lets see

SRR
SRL
Hearns,
Mayweather,
Robinson,
Armstrong,
Trinidad
Mosley
Gavilan,
Napoles
Duran
Benetiz
Mikey Walker
Charles Burley
Walcott
langford
Griffith
Basilio

Then maybe DlH.


Please...Get real prime DlH was never a great Welter. He fought great fighters but never BEAT any, except for Chavez when he was old, or controversial "any one could have been given the decision" decisions.