How good was Tommy Morrison?

[joseph5620]

He was a good fighter with very good power, especially in his left hook. He wasn't the most technically skilled fighter but his skills were good enough, his one big weakness was his chin, he couldn't take a very good shot.

This is an accurate description of Morrison. The Razor Ruddock that Morrison fought was an extremely faded version and that has to be pointed out too.

[randy johnson]

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

[JAB5239]

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!

This post is ignant.

[JAB5239]

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

With all due respect Randy, you slammed Archie Moore who was only stopped 7 times in 220 fights, yet you are finding it acceptable to have over 50 fights with 3 career ko losses. I am not following your logic. could you explain it please?

[joseph5620]

Joseph what excuse does Lewis have for being knocked out with one punch by McCall? The Rudduck that Lewis fought was faded too and most fighters get knocked out but being only knocked out 3 times and having over 50 fights isn't that bad is it?

I don't understand your question about Lewis since I never made any excuses for Lewis. If you want to compare Lewis to Morrison, Lewis ripped Morrison apart when thery fought. As far as the chin, Morrison was dropped twice by Ross Purity, three times by Michael Bentt, twice against Carl Williams, once against Mercer and multiple times against Lewis. That doesnt speak well for Morrison's chin. Second, Ruddock was the number 1 contender and was favored to beat Lewis. So where you get the idea that he was "faded" in that fight is a mystery to me. Third, Ruddock had one fight in three years prior to Fighting Morrison. I hope you see where I'm going with this.

[Sweet Peacock]

He definitely had a weak chin, but there is no denying the mans skill and punching power( particularly the left hook) and he had some defensive lapses as well. For a guy to be so young and athletic, he was wide open and his chin couldn't handle it. You could just go so far with fighting like that.


Sweet

[Sweet Peacock]

Good thing his people didn't match him against someone like Tyson as he would have been blown away in seconds. Ray Mercer like Fashion, it would only be a matter of time. With that being said, i rank one of the best heavyweights on the 90's and he was one of my favorites. He would probably be dominate in todays ****ty division.


Sweet

[JAB5239]

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!

Yarosz, chase, Booker, Burley, Lytell, Marshall, Bivins, Cocoa kid, charles, Oakland Billy Smith, Lowry, Satterfield, Johnson, Maxim, Olson, Pastrano, Durelle, Patterson, Marciano, Ali. These are some of the best fighters from the era, and Moore fought most of them multiple times. I'd like to know how you have come to the conclussion Moore had a weak chin when he was only stopped 7 times in his career. 5 of those times were to hall of fame fighters. Another was to the great Eddie Booker, who was part of the "black murderers row" of fighters who were denied title shots because of the color of their skin. And the ko to Morrow came after fighting his 4th fight in less than 2 months. Moore was an all time great, and one helluva puncher to boot. I think you need to dig a little deeper than just boxrec, my friend.

[TheGreatA]

[/B]Yarosz, chase, Booker, Burley, Lytell, Marshall, Bivins, Cocoa kid, charles, Oakland Billy Smith, Lowry, Satterfield, Johnson, Maxim, Olson, Pastrano, Durelle, Patterson, Marciano, Ali. These are some of the best fighters from the era, and Moore fought most of them multiple times. I'd like to know how you have come to the conclussion Moore had a weak chin when he was only stopped 7 times in his career. 5 of those times were to hall of fame fighters. Another was to the great Eddie Booker, who was part of the "black murderers row" of fighters who were denied title shots because of the color of their skin. And the ko to Morrow came after fighting his 4th fight in less than 2 months. Moore was an all time great, and one helluva puncher to boot. I think you need to dig a little deeper than just boxrec, my friend.

It's easy to see that he only took a quick look at boxrec to make up that post. Not trying to sound offensive but I don't think randy johnson knows much about pre-70's boxing, he seems to discredit all boxers who fought before his own time.

Moore fought 220 times, was stopped 7 times and mostly against great opposition who were often bigger than him. He fought from the 1930's to the 1960's, from the Louis era to the Ali era, an amazing feat.

He defeated top contenders from the middleweight division (Holman Williams, Cocoa Kid, Bobo Olson) to the light heavyweight division (Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yvon Durelle) and eventually all the way up to the heavyweight division (Baker, Valdes, Bivins, Satterfield).


40 year old (or older) Archie Moore


Moore in his mid 40's

You ask a person here who has the best chin in boxing history and most will say a guy like Jake Lamotta a guy who never faced any huge punchers who were natural middleweights

The biggest puncher LaMotta faced was probably Bob Satterfield, who was one of the hardest hitters of all time in my opinion. LaMotta took his best and KO'd Satterfield in the 8th round.


Bob Satterfield


Here's the man LaMotta won his world middleweight title from, Marcel Cerdan (Cerdan had 66 KO's to his credit).


LaMotta fights Robinson

[StarshipTrooper]

It's easy to see that he only took a quick look at boxrec to make up that post. Not trying to sound offensive but I don't think randy johnson knows much about pre-70's boxing, he seems to discredit all boxers who fought before his own time.

That's a phenomina I encounter on a daily basis on this forum.

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