How good was Tommy Morrison?

[LondonRingRules]

Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.

** Wiki lists Tommy's amateur record as 222-20 which is considerably longer and starts much earlier than that of Tyson at 24-3 if accurate. In 88 he lost a split to Mercer in the Olympic trials. Compare to Tyson losing to Tillman in the 84 Olympic trials. This on top of his toughman career.

It wasn't a lack of development, it was the result of youthful full throttle recklessness that his fans demanded combined with lax training and heavy partying. He never had a Cus, Jacobs, and Cayton to guide him, so his whole career is that similar to the reckless King version of Tyson.

Oh, and for the usual suspects, anyone who thinking Archie Moore has a glass jaw really should be joining a knitting club being fitted for a bib and plastic knitting needles where their natural attributes would be better suited.

[wpink1]

london. Wiki. is a truly in accurate source as any person can update that with false information. That being said I will research to see what his true amateur record is. He did have a toughman career, which teaches bad habits, and not the tecnhique that a boxer needs to be successful, especially defensivly.

The point of my post, which I believe you know, is that he did not learn the defensive skills necessary to help protect his chin, that is obvious when you see him fight, and you did point out correctly that he went full throttle early on in fghts, this shows he did not learn to pace himself.

[randy johnson]

Oh, and for the usual suspects, anyone who thinking Archie Moore has a glass jaw really should be joining a knitting club being fitted for a bib and plastic knitting needles where their natural attributes would be better suited.

Lol as I said before people like you London lack common sense never mind boxing knowledge. If Archie Moore didn't have a glass jaw then why was he knocked down and out so many times? Why was it that even in his prime against middleweights he was stopped in a couple of rounds by unknown opponents? I guess because no so called boxing experts told you to believe he has a glass chin then it means he didn't right? I can't think of a world champion in mordern boxer history who went down more than Moore.

Anyway Wpink i agree with you 100 percent. He was wild and wreckless with his style like you said and he was known for being a party animal. Countless heavyweights would of been stopped more than 3 times if they tried to apply the same style Morrison applied and didnt train hard for his fights.

[LondonRingRules]

Lol as I said before people like you London lack common sense never mind boxing knowledge. If Archie Moore didn't have a glass jaw then why was he knocked down and out so many times?

** What grade are you in kid?

Everyone knows that Archie was fighting HOF fights his whole career, 9 specifically the last 11 yrs of his career, going 6-3, with the only losses being to HOFer heavies. He never lost his LH title in the ring in that period. He was finally stripped at age 50, but not before he beat a bunch of top 10 era heavies on top of that.

Glass jaws don't make it that far, but gaseous brain cavities spew forever it seems.

[randy johnson]

London i went to UVA a major college in this country if you never heard of it so your computer insults dont bother me. Your ******ity only amuses me. Archie Moore fought hall of famers his whole career? Hilarious because Moore had over 200 fights and all of them were against HOFs? Give me a freaking break ******. Just because a fighter has a belt doenst mean he is great you simple minded fool. So i guess John Ruiz is a hall of famer in your eyes. He did have the title for a while. Valuev has it now so I guess he is a legend in your eyes.

Getting knocked flat on your ass by light punching middleweights means you have a weak chin. Moore could of defended the light heavyweight title until he was 100 but how many fighters like Michael Spinks or Roy Jones Jr did he fight doing that time? The guy fought trash just like most fighters of the era did. Just because a fighter is ranked in the top 10 in the era he is in doesnt mean that person is good. I believe Tye Fields was ranked in the top 10 or maybe top 20 until he got knocked out. That doenst prove a thing.


And this guy asked about Tommy Morrison and i gave examples or Archie Moore having a bad chin not so simple minded slow witted little kids like you would type back to me. If Tommy Morrison a guy who was stopped 3 times in his career then a guy like Archie Moore has a glass chin because he was stopped more.

[wpink1]

london could you list the names of GREAT fighters that Archie Moore more beat to substantiate your post. Please cit the names and what makes them great.

[randy johnson]

I believe Archie Moore fought Ezzard Charles when they were both middleweights and i think Moore lost everytime. Moore fought Yvon Durelle I believe you spell it that way and was knocked down 2 or 3 times in the fight round but he did recover and won the fight. Look at Durell's record. Not really impressive is it?He was 90 wins with 24 loses. Not exactly hall of fame type numbers. I will give you some of the names and numbers of the so called good fighters Moore fought

Harold Johnson 76 wins 32 ko's with 10 loses ( Not much of a puncher yet he was able to knock Moore down).

Bobo Olsen 97 wins 47 kos with 16 loses

Joey Maxim 82 wins 21 kos with 29 loses ( Another light punching guy with alot of loses and Moore won the title from this joke)

When Moore was 32 he fought a guy named Leonard Morrow who was 11 wins with 2 loses and was knocked out in 1 round

Ezzard Charles knocked him out in 8

Jimmy Bivins knocked Moore out in 6

Eddie Booker knocked Moore out in 8

Charley Burley knocked Moore down 4 times and according to Moore Burley could of knocked him out any time he wanted to but chosed to punish him for being arrogant.

Holman Williams beat Moore ( Williams record is impressive but who did Holman beat besides Moore)

Aaron Wade and Jack Chase beat Moore

Moore had a 2 draws against Eddie Booker

Moore Lost to Teddy Yarosz

Johnny Romero beat Moore in their first fight and knocked him down 2 times.

Billy Adams beat Moore

Moore lost 2 fights to Shory Hogue ( based on what i read the fights were close and could of gone either way but who the hell is Shorty Hogue?The point is Moore still lost to him)

Moore had a 3 more draws to 3rd rate hack fighters before his lost to Billy Adams.

This was just in him prime. I could of named Ali, Marciano , and Patterson who stopped him our how when he was past his prime he fought 3 wrestlers who had no previous fights and didn't fight after Moore beat him just to show how padded Moore's record was.

I said this before and I will repeat this for hopefully the last time. Fighters like Moore and Walcott are built up to make it seem like Marciano another overrated fighter fought people who weren't bums but as you can see Moore was nothing special. Just a average fighter who had alot of heart but a weak chin. A fighter who padded his record by beating bums and now most people think he was this murderous puncher when he wasn't MOORE HAD A WEAK CHIN AND HE BEAT ANY GREAT FIGHTERS IN HIS CAREER!!!

[wpink1]

Great Post Randi. London, always...correction most of the time bites off more than his knowledge can chew... I would like to recite the heavyweight champ thread we where on where he said Tyson had a tougher resume than Ali.... Wow what a joke.

Way to set he record straight.

[randy johnson]

Thanks Wpink1, If London really believes Tyson fought better opponents than Ali then he really is a sad case. Tyson fought some half way decent opponents but most were Don King fighters who so who knows if they were told to take a dive or not. I am pretty sure most of you agree Bruce Seldon a King controlled fighter did take a dive for Tyson. Tyson's who career was based on him knocking out nobodies or guys past their prime. The moment he stepped up and fought people who weren't controlled by King he lost.

Tyson's fans will claim it was because he was washed up at 23. What fighter is past their prime at 23? In every post about Tyson you will hear this " When he was 22 and beat Spinks he would of have beat any heavyweight that night" Then you realize Spinks wasn't a heavyweight and came into the fight scared out of his mind. You can't based Tyson's career off being a light heavyweight who was afraid of him.

I try to bring something different this forum. Most of the people here just repeat what some boxing guy on tv tells them to think. You ask people who had the best jab in heavyweight history and then will either say Liston's or Holmes. Both had a good jabs but they weren't the best. You ask a person here who has the best chin in boxing history and most will say a guy like Jake Lamotta a guy who never faced any huge punchers who were natural middleweights or they will mention a guy like Chuvalo who besides from Ali,Frazier and Foreman how many world class fighters he faced and how many of them were world class punchers. The ref stopped the fight before Frazier and Foreman could knock him down.

You come to this Forum and you usually will see this. 99 percent of the post are about how mexicans, ricans or asians are better than white or black fighters or you will see some european guy bashing a american one or a american bashing a european one. The fact is the best fighters in the world have always been european white and blacks or american whites and blacks.

It would be nice to come here and see americans praising white and black fighters....our people. It would be great to see people in post bring up new facts to prove their points. It would be nice to see less biased comments between europeans and americans. But hey i am a dreamer, none of this will ever happen.

[joseph5620]

wpink1 Lets just say Tommy lack of a serious amateur career exposed his chin more, than say a Tyson who learned (at least early on) defense and how to conserve energy. Tommy really never learned this, he would be winded many of time early on in fights.


Good point, Maybe Morrison went down in some of his fights because of stamina more than his chin being bad.

Stamina was not an issue against Michael Bentt.