Marciano was overrated and not an ATG.

[CRESCENDOPOWER]

This is the kind of bull**** that makes him overrated! Louis isn't even number one anyway. Say what you want about his heart blah blah blah, do you really see him with enough heart or skill to see him through the Rumble in The Jungle or Thrilla in Manilla. Ali was not even at his best during them fights.

Not only do I see Louis with enough heart, and skill to win in the Thrilla in Manilla it is possible for one to define the best boxer to ever live by his name.

[StarshipTrooper]

Not only do I see Louis with enough heart, and skill to win in the Thrilla in Manilla it is possible for one to define the best boxer to ever live by his name.

As do I! I'll admit openly that I'm a Louis admirer (see my avatar). That being said I do rank Ali higher than Joe on my ATG list. Regarding Marciano, while I'm not really a fan of his I give him his due: He IS an ATG and any list leaving him off is warped to say the least. I rank him in the bottom half of my top ten but I don't really have an issue with someone that ranks him higher (as long as it's not in the top two LOL).

Truth be told I regard any fighter good enough to be ranked in the top-ten to be good enough to beat any other top-ten fighter on any given night provided there isn't some provhibitive style matchup involved, say like that of Foreman - Frazier. The real test is over a large number of fights where everyone fights everyone several times: Then you see the differences falling into place.

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[Mafcherano]

Not only do I see Louis with enough heart, and skill to win in the Thrilla in Manilla it is possible for one to define the best boxer to ever live by his name.

sorry for not clarifying but when I said his heart, I was responding to a comment about Marciano. Louis could hold his own in the 70s but 'The Rock' couldn't.

[Vasyl’s dad]

What does any of this have to do with Mayweather? Ignorant.You really need to do something about your obsession old man. BTW, I'm a Mayweather fan who also likes Marciano, who I consider an all time great fighter. You should stick to making excuses about why Margarito shouldn't fight Paul Williams. You're better at doing that. Right now you look like the typical dumb ass that you are.

I don't know, someone else brought him up.

Hang on my every word much?

[Mafcherano]

It's not about whether or not he is good. It is about him being overrated which he certainly is. Everyone seems confused on this matter!

[JAB5239]

It's not about whether or not he is good. It is about him being overrated which he certainly is. Everyone seems confused on this matter!

The man accomplished all there was to do in his division and retired undefeated. He left no stone unturned and fought everybody his era presented. What else was there left for him to prove? His caccomplishments are facts. How he would have done in different era's against different fighters are assumptions. I rank him in the bottom half of my top ten. If that is overrating him please explain why and tell u8s where you believe he ranks and who would be ahead of him. Peace.

[marciano1952]

It's not about whether or not he is good. It is about him being overrated which he certainly is. Everyone seems confused on this matter!

He retired becaus he ran out of people to fight id say thats an accomplishment in its self cleaning out the HW division

[guzi815]

As Long as the Italians own the ring, NOBODY is beating Marciano's record.....NOBODY!

"Ay, sorry it's gotta be that way"
-Tony Danza

[Lenny McLean]

He retired becaus he ran out of people to fight id say thats an accomplishment in its self cleaning out the HW division

Not really. In the 50's the division was weak and that has to be taken into consideration. It's like is someone cleared out the current crop, would they make the all time top ten then? NO. So yes, you do need to take into account his level of opposition and the standards of his time which were quite frankly, ****E.

The man accomplished all there was to do in his division and retired undefeated. He left no stone unturned and fought everybody his era presented. What else was there left for him to prove? His caccomplishments are facts. How he would have done in different era's against different fighters are assumptions. I rank him in the bottom half of my top ten. If that is overrating him please explain why and tell u8s where you believe he ranks and who would be ahead of him. Peace.

They are not assumptions. As I mentioned above, the standards of his era were clearly deficient and lacking in terms of stenght in depth. No way does he make the top ten list of even become a contender in the 70's. He would struggle in early 90's too. Even a blind man can see whe would be too small and too easy to hit. These facts cannot be denied if you watch enough boxing from all three eras. That is why he is overrated. I'm not just on about your rating, but in general. Many times people, even pundits, put him in top 5! Some even name him in top 3 and the 70's the virtual fight was done by pundits who said he would beat ALI! That would make him number one. What a joke, he isn't even in top 15. Top 20, maybe. Just maybe. But then again I really do think the Klit and the Hayemaker would **** him out on size alone. And they're not exactly top tens now are they?

[randy johnson]

It is funny how the second you tell the truth about fighters like Marciano people get upset. People like you believe Ali was past his prime at 28 or 29 because Frazier and Norton beat him but will still believe fighters like Walcott and Moore were still past their prime and they were both pushing 40. No matter what boxer you mention when it comes to fighting Marciano you will act like they were some kind of world class warrior. Seriously who did Marciano fight at even 180 pounds who were still in their primes and were actually 180 pound fighters and not middleweights who had to move up to 180 pounds?

The guy who made this post is right....a fighter like David Haye would of killed Marciano and i can't stand Haye. The bigger and stronger and actually fight guys who aren't controlled by the italian mafia. It Moore gave Marciano so much trouble in the early part of their fight then why wouldn't Roy Jones who in his prime was alot faster and alot harder to hit then Archie. If you say Jones has a glass chin then the same would go for Moore. Jones was knocked out 2 times but they were both when he was past his prime. On the other hand Moore was knocked out by other middleweights when he was in his 20s.

Marciano isn't a top 1000 heavyweight of all time because he wasn't a heavyweight. He was just some slow unskilled weak worthless 185 pound italian guy who fought guys who were even worse than he was. I guess in this day and age that is enough right? In every fantasy vs thread I see the same ******ity with him. Marciano wouldnt lose because he has a great chin. He does? He was dropped 2 times by 40 year old men. He never faced a punched like Foreman, Tyson, Lewis ect ect ect. You say he can't lose because he is so brave and has so much heart. Bullshyt.....I guess guys like Foreman,Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe, Holmes and the list goes on has no balls right? Fighters will lose if they fight enough good opponents. The sad thing is Marciano did lose 3 fights and got gift decisions becuase he is white and delt with the Mafia.

Marciano isn't the only overrated fighter who name gets mentioned all the time here. Joe Louis is pretty overrated and is only popular because of his skin color too. Joe Louis is only popular because he is half white which is what whites would prefer blacks to be. (Anything but black) Who did Joe Louis beat? Garbage like Max and Buddy Baer? I don't believe either Baer ever fought a black fighter unless you still consider Louis to b black. Who else did Louis fight.....Tony Galento a big fat piece of trash. Max Schmeling a 190 pound cruiserweight and got knocked out the firt time they fought. Billy Conn a middleweight / supermiddleweight and Louis was almost knocked out by him. You could name dozens of heavyweights who would have 20 plus title defenses if they fought the trash Louis fought.

If you people are boxing fans then act like it. Watch fights yourselves instead of believing anything some old so called boxing expert tells you. Just because a fighter fought in the past doesnt mean they were great. Fighters like Ray Robinson would of been nothing if he would of had to fight black fighters like Tommy Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, Julian Jackson ect. But because he fought tons of unskilled italian fighters and the media tell you he is good you will believe it. Anyway Marciano is the most unskilled fighter in any weight class to win a belt in boxing history.