Modern ATG's will never be accepted

[Sweet Pete]

1:Older fighter's had more fights due to lack of health standards and money.

Would you say the same for Chavez?

3: New fighters are always down rated it doesn't matter how great the performance they give.

Based on?

Roy Jones Jr vs Ali: performance wise Jones is faster, never tires and has one punch KO power. Still Ali is often picked and his competition is said to be better, yet there is no way of proving this, only pure Bias.

Well they probably pick Ali because he was way bigger than Jones and Jones is incapable of hurting him. Jones did NOT in any way, shape, or form have one punch KO power at HW, especially not against someone like Ali. Still, style-wise that would be a good fight. To even argue that Ali had way better competition is ridiculous to the highest degree though.

Tyson vs Marciano : Tyson is bigger, faster, more aggressive and has sent 240 lbs opponents flying across the ring, yet the comparison is still being made between him and Marciano.

More due to Marciano's heart and resilience compared to Tyson's lack thereof. Skill-wise, was at a disadvantage against pretty much everyone he faced.

Klitchko vs Foreman : I'm not a fan of klitchko, but if I look at this realistically he hits very hard, he's huge and he's got average skills. Foreman hits hard too but he's very sloppy. People still pick Foreman even with a 30-40 lbs weight disadvantage.

Well, that could be due to Klitschko getting KTFO by much lesser fighters and punchers, but Wlad definitely has the style.

Those are just a few, what does it take for people to even give later fighter's a chance? There seems to be no backing other than Bias. You can't prove that competition was better or worse, because all big name fighter's end up fighting #1 competition sooner or later.

You can ASBOLUTELY disitinguish between competition, this is the second weak ass time you've brought this up. What do you mean? Ali fought and beat fighters who were elite and considered top notch. Jones fought one who was at that level at the time they fought. Ali's comp was better.

Only looking at number's is a fools way out, in that case John L. Sullivan is better than Larry Holmes, when all you need is one look at them fighting you know who the victor would be.

Holmes is better period.

[them_apples]

You can ASBOLUTELY disitinguish between competition, this is the second weak ass time you've brought this up. What do you mean? Ali fought and beat fighters who were elite and considered top notch. Jones fought one who was at that level at the time they fought. Ali's comp was better.

you proved my point, you, for no reason claimed Ali's fights were elite fighter's. BOTH fought high ranking contenders.

[tills9191]

How the hell would Marciano, would weighs only 180 pnds ,be strong enough to take Tyson's punches??
I don't think he can..he's just too light, too small

[StarshipTrooper]

them_apples = weight worshiping cult of the modern who thinks any fighter before the year 2000 sucks. No wonder he's so amored by the Klitschkos: Lennox Lewis would be considered an "old" fighter by his standards, as would Holyfield and Tyson. Greatness has to be earned, in the ring, over a long period of time. It is NOT determined by where the scale clicks when you step on it. Contemporary fighters want to be viewed as great? Then go out and earn it and don't expect it to be given to you because you're 6'7" 250 pounds. If that where the case Primo Carnera would be the best ever.

Poet

[Hawkins]

you proved my point, you, for no reason claimed Ali's fights were elite fighter's. BOTH fought high ranking contenders.

Ah yes, your excellent boxing knowledge shines thru once more...I mean by your standards everyone ranked highly is a worthy opponent, or has always earned the ranking.

[them_apples]

Ah yes, your excellent boxing knowledge shines thru once more...I mean by your standards everyone ranked highly is a worthy opponent, or has always earned the ranking.

how else would you go about doing it? If you analyze if based on physical performances all of Jones fighter were faster and more accurate.

[porlie]

Everyone has their faves, when Ali was getting the plaudits I'm sure loadsa Joe Louis fans whoed witnessed Louis's rise as it happened said "Ali's not a great"
same as some Jack Dempsey fans whoe'd witnessed him coming up wouldve said Louis wasnt a great compared to Dempsey.
Opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one lol

[sleazyfellow]

them_apples = weight worshiping cult of the modern who thinks any fighter before the year 2000 sucks. No wonder he's so amored by the Klitschkos: Lennox Lewis would be considered an "old" fighter by his standards, as would Holyfield and Tyson. Greatness has to be earned, in the ring, over a long period of time. It is NOT determined by where the scale clicks when you step on it. Contemporary fighters want to be viewed as great? Then go out and earn it and don't expect it to be given to you because you're 6'7" 250 pounds. If that where the case Primo Carnera would be the best ever.

Poet

if you seen the majority of his post he takes things to heart when you have a differing opinion from his. Guy must be in his teens or sumthing to have the taste he has. Point being the guy is just baiting ppl to post in threads with absurd comments. Going into a BOXING HISTORY part of the forum and dissing the greats just shows how shallow he is.

[StarshipTrooper]

You know, some of these posters who worship at the alter of the "modern" fighter, whether they are rabid Tyson fans or not, need to take Tyson as a role model in this. No fighter, and I mean NO fighter in my memory has as much respect for boxing, boxing history, and the great fighters of the past as does Michael Gerard Tyson. You would NEVER here Tyson degrade and disrespect the past legends. EVER! The people who extol the vitues of modern fighters are seeking to build their heroes up by tearing down the past heroes. I know some of the posters in this thread are rabid Tyson fans. Do you think Tyson would like what you're doing when you belittle a Marciano or a Louis? Do you think he'd be proud of you? Tyson knows more about past fighters than all his worshipers combined. I for one would LOVE to sit down with Mike over coffee and dissect an old fight.

It's ironic that Tyson would have more respect and greater appreciation of these fighters than his ignorant fans do. Yes I said "ignorant", for it's pure ignorance to make some of the outrageous statements being made. I personally think a prime Tyson would kick the ass of the entire Heavyweight division of today and I could care less if he's outweighed by 30 pounds by most of them. So much for the "modern" Heavyweight. And what constitutes "modern" anyway? Where is the dividing line? How is it defined? Who makes THAT call? them_apples? londonringrules? Please. London's been on a smear campaign against Ali since I started posting here. He's so biased that any credibility he may have onced possessed is gone forever.

If a fighter of today truly has the goods then his greatness WILL be recognized, and he won't need a bunch of spiteful nuthuggers tearing down an old great to get that recognition. People, before you embarrass yourselves further with your ignorance and bias, please take a lesson from Mike Tyson: Watch the greats, learn from them, appreciate them, and respect them. Tyson does no less himself.

Poet

[them_apples]

if you seen the majority of his post he takes things to heart when you have a differing opinion from his. Guy must be in his teens or sumthing to have the taste he has. Point being the guy is just baiting ppl to post in threads with absurd comments. Going into a BOXING HISTORY part of the forum and dissing the greats just shows how shallow he is.

you and poet are best buds, you both love to exaggerate and take out your own insecurities by claiming other people have them.

and poet? I don't recognize anything before the 2000's? give me a break that's definitely not quoting, the most I have said is fighter's improved greatly from the mid 1960's and on.

but alas, you two love to ignore newer fighters just as much as I neglect older ones, the only difference is I admit it!