Was ali as good as they say?

[Krucial]

i actually think tyson in his prime coulda knocxked out the best heavyweights of the 90's,00's,even the 40's and 50's
no way he woulda survived the 70's tho
hell no

[StarshipTrooper]

hey Poet, did you ever wonder why people nuthug Tyson? It must be because Tyson sucks so much*sarcasm*

People nuthug Tyson because he knocked the hell out of everyone in the division. He knocked guys out with one punch, his speed was incredible and his defense was superb.

and Poet..you are the biggest Joe Louis nut hugger on this forum, so stop being a hypocrite. Your opinion is so Biased towards older fighters that I bet you think John L. Sulivan would knock Tyson out.

Hmmm. Considering I rarely talk about Louis I'm not sure how you arrive at that. Must be my picture. My opinion is biased toward great fighters REGARDLESS of era.

As for you nuthugging Tyson: I don't care how good a fighter is nuthugging is an unreasonable position. I also refer to them as KoolAid drinkers: ie. fanatical cultists like those who followed Jim Jones. And no, Tyson could NOT spell defense: His own trainers said it best that his offense WAS his defense. It's a little hard for fighters to land punches when they're running for their lives. Tyson is a typical case of a fighter who generates a lot of offense ALWAYS being overrated. In Tyson's case he cleaned up a Heavyweight division that was the worst I've ever seen.

BTW. You are NOT a boxing fan. I think it's plainly clear you're a KO fan. You're the type that shows up for the KO but gags at a fight that goes the distance. Pathetic.

Poet

[them_apples]

BTW. You are NOT a boxing fan. I think it's plainly clear you're a KO fan. You're the type that shows up for the KO but gags at a fight that goes the distance. Pathetic.

No I'm actually a FIGHT fan, yea it's true I don't like watching 12 rnd decisions, I like seeing people beat each other up. I want to see who's the most dominant fighter, not who can put the most points down (this was the original Idea of boxing). Knockouts are exciting, and If you like decisions more than KO's then you must be one hell of a boring - trying to be intellectual type of person.

You have frequently bashed newer fighters, and boasted about how older fighters such as Joe Louis were the best. Every single one of your posts is on how the old fighters were better and the new ones suck. If I recall correctly you even tried telling me that historians will agree with you about Joe Louis. Historians are in the same boat as you, still caught up in the old days.

I don't nuthug, But it pains me to see old geezers flaming the Tyson generation and saying it was a crappy era, when in fact it was not, he just made it look bad.

[duffgun]

ali is 1st or 2nd best heavy ever, I do think that his win over Williams is a bit overrated as Williams had been shot and was ill and couldn't move his left leg properly he was nothing like he was when he had the fights with Liston.

[StarshipTrooper]

yea it's true I don't like watching 12 rnd decisions, I like seeing people beat each other up.

That's sick and a symptom of a society that gets off on violence. Maybe you should be seeing a shrink and possibly watching MMA instead of boxing; or better yet stick to your obscene video games.

Knockouts are exciting, and If you like decisions more than KO's then you must be one hell of a boring - trying to be intellectual type of person.

I don't have to try: I'm a college graduate with an academic degree. As for boring, I suppose that's in the eyes of the beholder. I guess I WOULD be boring to someone who gets his rocks off watching violent things happen to people.

You have frequently bashed newer fighters, and boasted about how older fighters such as Joe Louis were the best. Every single one of your posts is on how the old fighters were better and the new ones suck. If I recall correctly you even tried telling me that historians will agree with you about Joe Louis. Historians are in the same boat as you, still caught up in the old days.

You obviously haven't read many of my posts. Prehaps it's because you're only drawn to Tyson threads? I've made many posts extolling the greatness of Larry Holmes. I've made posts talking of how much of a fan of Lennox Lewis I am. I've made posts talking about how Evander Holyfield is an all-time great. Boy, those are REAL old-timers aren't they? My belief is that EVERY era has it's greats AND it's bums. Some have more of one than the other.

I don't nuthug, But it pains me to see old geezers flaming the Tyson generation and saying it was a crappy era, when in fact it was not, he just made it look bad.

Yes, you DO nuthug. Boy, you have a REAL problem with your elders don't you? For myself I have a problem with punk kids who think they know it all when they don't know a goddamn thing and who think every thing that came before THEIR era was crappy. Dude, just because YOU haven't personally watched a fighter on HBO doesn't mean he sucks. I certainly don't like having to read adolescence slag off on fighters whose only sin was having fought before the little crumb cruncher was born.

Get over yourself dude, and more importantly get over your generation: Your lot are nothing special.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

ali is 1st or 2nd best heavy ever, I do think that his win over Williams is a bit overrated as Williams had been shot and was ill and couldn't move his left leg properly he was nothing like he was when he had the fights with Liston.

True enough, but remember Williams was still dangerous: He had legitimate one-punch KO power and you didn't want to make a mistake against him ill or not.

Poet

[them_apples]

boxing is a violent sport, it involves hitting people and knocking people out. Who are you trying to kid poet?

Other than that, I can't argue with me liking knockouts, you did say I'm only attracted to Tyson threads..this is after all..an Ali thread.

Cheers

[StarshipTrooper]

boxing is a violent sport, it involves hitting people and knocking people out. Who are you trying to kid poet?

Other than that, I can't argue with me liking knockouts, you did say I'm only attracted to Tyson threads..this is after all..an Ali thread.

Cheers

Boxing fans are attracted to the sport for a variety of complex reasons. You, on the other hand, are there for the violence. And THAT is sick. You are the lowest common denominator of people watching boxing. And the name IS "boxing" NOT "KOs" aka the "manly art of self defense" not "self offense". Somehow people with your mentality turn the "sweet science" into the "sweet splatter movie". Give me a break. It's "fans" like you that make people want to ban the sport. As I said in the previous post you need to go watch MMA or play video games to get your gratuitous violence fix and leave boxing alone. What do you do? Sit there and jack off when someone gets knocked the **** out? You are one sick sick dude.

Poet

[them_apples]

Your last post is just mindless flaming, you proved no points only to trigger more argument. If your intelligent why not act that way, your just as sick as the people you are "disgusted" about.

A small denominator watches boxing for the knockout? Seriously man, it's a lot bigger than you think. My dad, he's around 48 years old, he remembers all the glorious knockouts from back in the 70's without any "disgust". It's part of the sport, and it's entertaining. Your going way, wayy to far calling me a sicko for liking knockouts.

If I was a sicko obsessed with violence I'm sure I'd have a dog and 3 rabbits.

I don't mind having a competitive argument with you, but you seem to like to go overboard and get aggressive about things, let's try to keep that to a minimum.

peace

[StarshipTrooper]

Your last post is just mindless flaming, you proved no points only to trigger more argument. If your intelligent why not act that way, your just as sick as the people you are "disgusted" about.

A small denominator watches boxing for the knockout? Seriously man, it's a lot bigger than you think. My dad, he's around 48 years old, he remembers all the glorious knockouts from back in the 70's without any "disgust". It's part of the sport, and it's entertaining. Your going way, wayy to far calling me a sicko for liking knockouts.

If I was a sicko obsessed with violence I'm sure I'd have a dog and 3 rabbits.

peace

Actually I wouldn't be shocked if you're a dog fighter like Michael Vick. Been to any **** fights lately too?

Sick mother****er.

Poet