Was ali as good as they say?

[StarshipTrooper]

Yes and I don't think I've once said he was the hardest punching heavyweight ether. If it is its probably some bum with no skill like mighty mo, from the k1 division.

But your only evidence for Liston's punching power is watching the videos, and if your going to go by the tapes then Tyson will win 100% of the time.

EDIT: you might want to look at yourself to sometimes, you have frequently made up Joe Louis as an unstoppable war machine.

Dude. I have EVERY Tyson fight on video (except the elusive Sims fight) I certainly don't see Tyson winning the video evidence but then I'm not watching with a nuthugger's eyes. I'm not one of these fake boxing fans who just show up to see the KO. A decision is just as satisfying to me. Point is, I'm NOT one of these "fans" who overrate big punchers because they LIKE watching KOs. As for Louis, he was frequently called at the time "the perfect fighting machine". I've watched enough Louis video to know that aside from Ali I'd take Louis over everyone else.

PS. A good number of boxing historians view Louis in the same light.

Poet

[them_apples]

PS. A good number of boxing historians view Louis in the same light.

PS. a good number of Historians also grew up in the "old days" watching there favorites. I wouldn't doubt if at least 70% of those historians are 50 years of age or more.

When someone new comes along thats better than everyone else It's going to be the huge Tyson fans left rambling on about the old days...and the cycle continues.

[StarshipTrooper]

PS. a good number of Historians also grew up in the "old days" watching there favorites. I wouldn't doubt if at least 70% of those historians are 50 years of age or more.

When someone new comes along thats better than everyone else It's going to be the huge Tyson fans left rambling on about the old days...and the cycle continues.

Yeah and never trust anyone over 30. These same boxing historians also consider Evander Holyfield and Bernard Hopkins all-time greats: Hardly products of the "good-old-days". I see too much of this crap from younger poster who assume if it happend before they were born it HAD to have ******.

Poet

[Wiley Hyena]

Tyson was smallish heavy that thrived on intimidation, overblown hype, and beating on sub-par fighters. In his early career he did establish himself as a man to be feared by knocking out a few proven, prime fighters, but most of his fights thereafter were relegated to the money making spectacle of knocking out sub-par or over-the-hill competition.

When he finally took the plunge to go after one of his contending peers, he was handily whipped by Evander Holyfield. After that, the fraud was exposed and Tyson's career slowly, but eventually, melted down.

[Mike Tyson77]

It's funny how a few people mention Tyson as talk as if he was 18-32 journeymen. He was the UDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.

[StarshipTrooper]

It's funny how a few people mention Tyson as talk as if he was 18-32 journeymen. He was the UDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.

It's funny how a few Tyson nuthuggers talk about Tyson as if he 100-0 with 100 1st round KOs and was truly the GOD of boxing :rollingeyes:

Poet

[Mike Tyson77]

It's funny how a few Tyson nuthuggers talk about Tyson as if he 100-0 with 100 1st round KOs and was truly the GOD of boxing :rollingeyes:

Poet

Actully his record is 50-6 44'KO's


By the way you werent refering to me as one of those "nuthuggers" where you?

[StarshipTrooper]

It's funny how a few people mention Tyson as talk as if he was 18-32 journeymen. He was the UDISPUTED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION.

Actully his record is 50-6 44'KO's


By the way you werent refering to me as one of those "nuthuggers" where you?

No. You come off as a reasonable guy. Versatile does as well. You two are fans rather than nuthuggers. There's a HUGE difference between the two.

Poet

[Krucial]

considering his wins over the greatest fighters of the greates era
i would he was as good as they say

[them_apples]

hey Poet, did you ever wonder why people nuthug Tyson? It must be because Tyson sucks so much*sarcasm*

People nuthug Tyson because he knocked the hell out of everyone in the division. He knocked guys out with one punch, his speed was incredible and his defense was superb.

and Poet..you are the biggest Joe Louis nut hugger on this forum, so stop being a hypocrite. Your opinion is so Biased towards older fighters that I bet you think John L. Sulivan would knock Tyson out.