Prime Tyson could have been the best ever??

[tmoqsudz]

Ok, lets not go down the road of tyson was a God, he wasnt. And dont get me wrong im a MASSIVE tyson fan, probably a much bigger one than you. Just take a step back and think before you write, he mayb your idol and that but he is still human. Many of the Greats would have been able to beat tyson, Ali, Louis, Holmes. But tyson IMO would have been able to beat them aswell it would be an amazing fight between tyson and any other great. And most would go either way. And "in reality" he didnt lose to douglas??! huh in reality he did lose. Lets get that straight Tyson was first to admit he fought a good fight. But yes tyson didnt prepare and he had to lose weight quick, but the he knocked him out thing is kinda weak, i mean no1 can know if Buster would of beat the count, but the fact is he did. If its any consilation to you Tyson was winning on the cards.. And Easily would of beaten Ali! erm.. you say cose he was comparable to Frazier! ask frazier if any of he fights with Ali were easy! "Also majority of mike tysons fights were 1 - 4 knockouts, muhammad ali's weren't." ok and that means nothing, ones a big puncher who has the ability for these wins, it doesnt make one a better fighter only more exciting. I agree with your last statement tho!! can i stress im a big tyson fan ask any1 here! but you have to see things both ways in a debate

okay i agree with wat ur saying..... i admit that tyson would have been beaten by the greatest heavyweights including ali yes. wat i meant when i said in reality is that he won the fight he knocked out buster douglas for 13 seconds so infact he did win, as the referee counted a slow count.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9C619rzN98Q

[Mike Tyson77]

"Tyson is gonna be exposed by spinks, Im picking Spinks to win."

-Teddy Atlas





Tyson KO1 Spinks

[The Iron Man]

Teddy Atlas had a grudge against tyson.. he said tyson would lose most of his big fights and one of them happend so he looked like this guy he knew tysons weakness and all that ****e.

Lets just get this right. Infact tyson didnt win the fight, he should of because he took it too lightly and there is a small case for the slow count! but he didnt win. He isnt the only great to lose to some one of Busters callibre..Lewis comes to mind. It happens, but he came back after a 3 year break like Ali and won two titles.

[Mike Tyson77]

It happens, but he came back after a 3 year break like Ali and won two titles.

yessur!!!!!!!!!!!

[them_apples]

how can you deny that? I think prime tyson won most of his fights because his opponents feared him, Douglas did not fear a prime tyson, and he dominated him, if Douglas can beat Tyson, Lewis can beat Tyson

guess that means Foreman ****** and Ali was the only one who didn't fear him, because everyone sure as hell feared Foreman, he even said so himself.
In all seriousness Tyson was a good boxer with the right trainer, I could easily see him taking down Ali. (IMO the 30's Ali was better than a young Ali, more thinking and durability).

Heres a few of the most overused excuses:

Spinks: buffed up light heavy that was owning until he met Tyson (yea don't worry Floyd Mayweather sucks to, he's a buffed up middleweight)

Berbick: called the worst heavyweight ever by everyone still living in the black and white era.

Holmes: past his prime, lets just forget that he took back 2 belts until he met Tyson.

Tony tucker: Let's not talk about him

He took down a Holmes( in his 30's) I can't see why he couldn't take down Ali in his 30's(the one that beat Foreman) who was already showing signs of Parkinson's. If Ali tried a rope-a-dope I could see him going down very..VERY fast to a fighter like Tyson.

I have a strong su****ion people like to rip on Tyson because he became so popular, its the same with any sport, someone who shows up and owns everyone gets 101 excuses on why their reign of ownage was obsolete.

[Ironside]

Apples, I don't agree with the statement that people feared Tyson that's why they lost, but do you really think that anyone that Tyson fought in his prime was as good as Ali, Foreman or Lewis?

[them_apples]

Apples, I don't agree with the statement that people feared Tyson that's why they lost, but do you really think that anyone that Tyson fought in his prime was as good as Ali, Foreman or Lewis?

If your going by achievements then no Tyson does not surpass them, but if they were to fight in there primes Tyson would most definitely win, although Foreman would probably give him a real tussle.

I'm not blinded by the past in my opinions, I watch fights the way they are, Tyson hits harder, hes fast and he has excellent defense..enough said.

Those 3 fighters you listed aren't nearly as well rounded, Foreman hits hard but has no skill, Ali is a good thinker but has pretty weak defense, and Louis really doesn't pose a threat at all with his 1930's-40's bar room brawling stance, leaving his head open and all...

I really don't like to rip on anyone's favorites, but a lot of people really need to step out of their era and realize boxing has progressed.

[Brockton Lip]

If your going by achievements then no Tyson does not surpass them, but if they were to fight in there primes Tyson would most definitely win, although Foreman would probably give him a real tussle.

I'm not blinded by the past in my opinions, I watch fights the way they are, Tyson hits harder, hes fast and he has excellent defense..enough said.

Those 3 fighters you listed aren't nearly as well rounded, Foreman hits hard but has no skill, Ali is a good thinker but has pretty weak defense, and Louis really doesn't pose a threat at all with his 1930's-40's bar room brawling stance, leaving his head open and all...

I really don't like to rip on anyone's favorites, but a lot of people really need to step out of their era and realize boxing has progressed.

Ali would beat him the way Douglas did but would also get into his head at the same time.
Cus told Tyson many times never to fight someone like Foreman, because he couldn't win.
Louis stop Tyson with a powerful barrage unless he gets caught more than a few times.
And Lewis who he meant, sparred with Tyson at a younger age and gave him a hard time. Beat him as a professional, although shot. But proved that he would probably do it the same way in their primes, although this fight could very well be a toss up.

[The Iron Man]

I have reason to Believe that in the spar between tyson and Lewis when they were 16, that tyson had the better of him. In a documenary about the fight they had Lewis said wen cus told them they would meet, he thought to himself "i wish we dont met, this guys an animal in the ring".

[tmoqsudz]

yea in the first round when the sparred in 1984, mike tyson actually knocked lewis out of the ring, so wat does that tell you? and mind you this was when tyson was only 16 and still growing! But i have to give it to lewis aswel he was a true champion too, but if they both met at their peaks id have to give it tyson.