Ali is Overrated

[StarshipTrooper]

Never said he was. So you can take your Tyson hate else where. Its clear you dont favor Tyson like alot of ppl do. You dont need to always drop hints. Neither will I be pissed if I said you didnt like him. Tyson isnt my Dad,nor is he my good friend.He's just a fighter that I take alot of my style from. Get over yourself.

Actually I DON'T hate Tyson, it's his fans I dislike. Notice I say dislike and not hate. I dislike Tyson's fans because I've found them to be the most consistantly obnoxious boxing fans out there (not to mention delusional). If you bestow an honor upon Tyson that's anything less than fawning adoration and proclamations of him being the greatest ever they act like you've spit in his face. Now maybe YOU personally aren't a KoolAid drinker like they are, but that's why I have a sour stomach where Tyson fans are concerned. Tyson fans aren't the only one of course. No disrespect to the Rock but Marciano's fans are nearly as obnoxious. So, it isn't anything personal towards you.

Poet

[Verstyle]

Actually I DON'T hate Tyson, it's his fans I dislike. Notice I say dislike and not hate. I dislike Tyson's fans because I've found them to be the most consistantly obnoxious boxing fans out there (not to mention delusional). If you bestow an honor upon Tyson that's anything less than fawning adoration and proclamations of him being the greatest ever they act like you've spit in his face. Now maybe YOU personally aren't a KoolAid drinker like they are, but that's why I have a sour stomach where Tyson fans are concerned. Tyson fans aren't the only one of course. No disrespect to the Rock but Marciano's fans are nearly as obnoxious. So, it isn't anything personal towards you.

Poet

Well you're barking up the wrong tree here man. Im probably the biggest Tyson fan on here. I even went to Catskills New york and worked out at the gym. But in no way am I a nuthugger. I dont let Tyson's mystic cloud my judgement. He's my favorite fighter.But is he the best ever?**** NO!!!

[StarshipTrooper]

Never said he was. So you can take your Tyson hate else where. Its clear you dont favor Tyson like alot of ppl do. You dont need to always drop hints. Neither will I be pissed if I said you didnt like him. Tyson isnt my Dad,nor is he my good friend.He's just a fighter that I take alot of my style from. Get over yourself.

Well you're barking up the wrong tree here man. Im probably the biggest Tyson fan on here. I even went to Catskills New york and worked out at the gym. But in no way am I a nuthugger. I dont let Tyson's mystic cloud my judgement. He's my favorite fighter.But is he the best ever?**** NO!!!

You're a rare breed Versatile. You're a man I can respect.

He's my favorite fighter.But is he the best ever?**** NO!!!

The fact you can say that tells me volumes. You are NOT a KoolAid drinker. I have no problems with someone who's a fan but not one with blinders on. Bravo!

Poet

[porlie]

He's not overrated. All ppl dont like to agree on the same things so they just say **** to draw attention.

Good point mate, I rate Tyson highly and I've had debates where people are like "Tyson is ****,hes overrated" I say each to their own. Prime Tyson was exciting to watch thats why I rate the guy.
Prime Ali was a master at work,Ali in the 70s was involved in good fights.
Differing opinions are a good thing, it'd be a boring world if everyone thought the same.

[Brassangel]

Be careful when talking to Poet...when he is outsmarted, he will simply ignore you. There's a good chance he's got almost everybody at boxingscene on his ignore list.

Anyway, Ali was a master at work in the 60's. I feel as though we were truly robbed of his greatness, however, and in his pinnacle performance against Frazier (the closest we get to a best-versus-best), he was simply outhustled. Even so, if we are going to have "sour stomachs" toward a fighter or his fans, it's only fair to open up discussion about the cut glove used by Ali's dirty corner to save him from a knockout loss to Cooper. This makes it hard for me to believe how often he really "overcame" adversity to show true grit.

By the way, he's still one of my favorite fighters to watch.

Why is this thread still going, anyway? Yogi posted it as a joke to announce his return.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ah, I see Brass******* is still weighing in. Probably bitching and crying because I got his ass on my ignore list. What a sad little man, and I use the term "man" VERY loosely. ,,!,, Brass*******.

Poet

[Brassangel]

The only thing "loose" on here is your manhole, Poet.

[butterfly1964]

Even so, if we are going to have "sour stomachs" toward a fighter or his fans, it's only fair to open up discussion about the cut glove used by Ali's dirty corner to save him from a knockout loss to Cooper.

The Cooper knckdown is slightly overrated. Ali would not have been stopped if not giving the extra time. Ali got up in 3 seconds and strongly walked back to his corner. Hardly someone on the brink of defeat.

[Brassangel]

He was visibly wobbling. Even while in the corner his eyes were glossy. He stood up quickly because that's what he always did. It not only ensured that a ref wouldn't wave the fight off, but it also discouraged opponents who felt as though they put their opponent down hard.

I'm not saying that he absolutely would have lost, but given Poet's earlier claims, made in rant, it's only fair to point the finger the other way, covering both sides of the coin.

[FISTIC ART]

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Ali is the greatest boxer and biggest figure in any sport in history..... Ali was fast as **** for being a heavyweight...not that that simple fact would make him the greatest but it did say alot about him....he wasnt the perfect boxer...but noone is...but he is the greatest boxer of all time....and those who try to argue to the contrary dont have a clue.........