Ali is Overrated

[StarshipTrooper]

If you think he's overrated or whatever, atleast be more open minded instead of making yourself look like a stereo type 'hater'. The fact that you don't give any kind of credit whatsoever shows you should not be taken seriously.

Keep it moving people, nothing to see here. Don't mind this one

I believe my original point was NOT whether he should be given credit or not but whether he should make a p4p all-time greatest list. BIG difference. I believe Tyson is a NEAR great Heavyweight who COULD have been an all-time great but wasn't. That's hardly chopped liver. But using his quick knockouts over third-rate opposition as evidence of his "greatness" is self-defeating. People are NOT likely to give credence to your valid points when you start off with evidence something so laughable. As to my original point, while people can honestly debate whether Tyson was an all-time great at Heavyweight, NOBODY but a certified Tyson KoolAid drinker could believe he belongs on ANY p4p list.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

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Dude, whatever. Please refrain from posting until you have achieved literacy and save the lymrics for your local bathroom wall.

Poet

[hardhitter18]

the title is vacant I am afraid. No eliminator tournament has be organised so I am hoping you can beat off the pretenders.

there should be no tournaments, I'm clearly the chmp around here, I have the most boxing than anyone one this site. Speakng of pretenders, would someone please bea off that pretender ceboxer15. the guy is a ****ing dumbass, who thinks he knows boxing when he doesn't. I hope he's not a top 10 contencer for this title, becuase he doesn't know **** about boxing. What kind of an moron thinks Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest of all time? that's a laugh.

in regards to the title of the threa, I couldn't agree more. Ali is not only one of the worst heavyweights ever, but one of the worst fighters ever. His chicn was awful, he couldn't even take a punch from soft hitting Chuck Wepner. How does that make him great?

[LondonRingRules]

Dude, whatever. Please refrain from posting until you have achieved literacy and save the lymrics for your local bathroom wall.Poet

** Done. Poet is now featured over my lavvy. Excellent suggestion for products of digestion!

[Frazier's 15th round]

Very overrated. Made his name by nearly getting knocked out with one punch by 175 pound Henry Cooper, beating an ancient, undertrained Liston, and then winning a rematch where Liston took a dive. Defended his title against bad back Patterson, the human punching bag George Chuvalo, 35 year old ex lightheavyweight Zora Folley, the big bum Ernie Terrell, etc.

Came back and got thoroughly beaten 11-4 in rounds by Joe Frazier (blind in one eye, diabetes, hypertension). Was cut to ribbons by light heavy Bob Foster and was being outboxed by grandpa Patterson. Lost to Kenny "Chinny" Norton twice. Got a gift decision in the clinching snoozefest rematch with fat, shot Joe Frazier. Beat the overrated wild swinging caveman George Foreman who struggled with anybody who could even box a little. Was outboxed by Joe "I'm just glad to be here" Bugner. Was nearly beat by crude Ron Lyle. Floored by the longshoreman Chuck Wepner. Nearly killed by completely shot Frazier. Lost to Norton again. Fought bums like Evangelista and Jimmy Young (another robbery). Lost to amateur Leon Spinks. Battered by Holmes and Berbick.

[StarshipTrooper]

Very overrated. Made his name by nearly getting knocked out with one punch by 175 pound Henry Cooper, beating an ancient, undertrained Liston, and then winning a rematch where Liston took a dive. Defended his title against bad back Patterson, the human punching bag George Chuvalo, 35 year old ex lightheavyweight Zora Folley, the big bum Ernie Terrell, etc.

Came back and got thoroughly beaten 11-4 in rounds by Joe Frazier (blind in one eye, diabetes, hypertension). Was cut to ribbons by light heavy Bob Foster and was being outboxed by grandpa Patterson. Lost to Kenny "Chinny" Norton twice. Got a gift decision in the clinching snoozefest rematch with fat, shot Joe Frazier. Beat the overrated wild swinging caveman George Foreman who struggled with anybody who could even box a little. Was outboxed by Joe "I'm just glad to be here" Bugner. Was nearly beat by crude Ron Lyle. Floored by the longshoreman Chuck Wepner. Nearly killed by completely shot Frazier. Lost to Norton again. Fought bums like Evangelista and Jimmy Young (another robbery). Lost to amateur Leon Spinks. Battered by Holmes and Berbick.

One question: Are you smoking crack? Maybe dropping acid? No wait! You're an escapee from an insane asylum!

Poet

[Tha_Greatest]

Muhammad Ali IS WAS & ALWAYS WILL BE

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE GREATEST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[Thoth]

I think it all stems from a simple fact. Ali transcended his sport. It doesn't in my mind diminish the accomplishments of other great fighters but at the end they remain just that, great fighters. He became more and you just can't deny that.

Anyway that's my opinion.

[Lance Uppercut]

Ali is overated, great heavyweight no doubt but not nearly the freakishly great boxer historians have made him out to be. Hell, Holyfield in his prime would have taken this guy in hard fought 12 round TKO. Go ahead, let the flaming begin.

And BTW, to the guy who said Ali was a great human being outside the ring- what the hell have you been smoking!?

[oaktwn1]

Man.. I completely agree that a prime Holyfield beats Ali...take out all other preconcieved notions...then watch films of them both...If you really know boxing there is no doubt who the better fighter is...well said..