Ali is Overrated

[porlie]

Dude, I have all his fights. I was watching him on ESPN when you were still in diapers. Quick KOs over tomato cans are not going to impress me. By tomato cans I include most of the top Heavyweights of the time, easily the weakest in Heavyweight history. I would have been MORE impressed by him LOSING a close decision to Tim Witherspoon than him blowing out Trevor Berbick. He LOST to EVERY top notch fighter he fought.....by knockout. Hell, he lost to every fighter who stood up to him. No, watching his fights impresses me not in the least.

Poet

Larry Holmes was top notch, Tyson destroyed him but years after Tyson had destroyed him he went the distance with Holyfield and later still beat a champ of the time.
That says to me Tyson was a great when he was in his prime.

[porlie]

Ali wasnt overrated, can anyone name 10 Hws from any era who could beat him???
No because he was an all time great.

[StarshipTrooper]

Larry Holmes was top notch, Tyson destroyed him but years after Tyson had destroyed him he went the distance with Holyfield and later still beat a champ of the time.
That says to me Tyson was a great when he was in his prime.

Holmes was well past his prime at age 38 when Tyson fought him, wasn't in good shape and hadn't fought in two years. That fight doesn't say anything about Tyson any more than Tyson's fight with Lewis says anything about Lennox. You're also making the classic mistake of "well so and so knocked out so and so and and so and so didn't". Those comparisons are meaningless! The same Holyfield who went the distance with Holmes DESTROYED Tyson. People put too much stock in knockouts and hitting power, that's why big punchers are ALWAYS overrated. People LIKE watching them so they WANT them to be better than they really are.

Poet

[porlie]

Holmes was well past his prime at age 38 when Tyson fought him, wasn't in good shape and hadn't fought in two years. That fight doesn't say anything about Tyson any more than Tyson's fight with Lewis says anything about Lennox. You're also making the classic mistake of "well so and so knocked out so and so and and so and so didn't". Those comparisons are meaningless! The same Holyfield who went the distance with Holmes DESTROYED Tyson. People put too much stock in knockouts and hitting power, that's why big punchers are ALWAYS overrated. People LIKE watching them so they WANT them to be better than they really are.

Poet

Holyfield beat Tyson he didnt destroy him, destroy is what Tyson did to Spinks.
I still think that when Tyson was in his prime he was one the greatest HWs ever.

[StarshipTrooper]

Larry Holmes was top notch, Tyson destroyed him but years after Tyson had destroyed him he went the distance with Holyfield and later still beat a champ of the time.
That says to me Tyson was a great when he was in his prime.

Holyfield beat Tyson he didnt destroy him, destroy is what Tyson did to Spinks.
I still think that when Tyson was in his prime he was one the greatest HWs ever.

Your homework assignment is to rewatch rounds 10 and 11 of the Holyfield fight and THEN tell me Holyfield didn't destroy him. Tyson's chicken dance speaks volumes. If he could have talked he no doubt would have been saying "please Mr. Holyfield, don't hurt me anymore".

Poet

[porlie]

Your homework assignment is to rewatch rounds 10 and 11 of the Holyfield fight and THEN tell me Holyfield didn't destroy him. Tyson's chicken dance speaks volumes. If he could have talked he no doubt would have been saying "please Mr. Holyfield, don't hurt me anymore".

Poet

He beats him up yeah but Tyson was still a great IMO when he was in his prime.

[StarshipTrooper]

** Duddess, Hell, Ali lost to every fighter who stood up to him, Joe Louis, Robinson, Hagler.....no wait, Marvin lost to a fighter who ran from him, not wishing to be impressed in the least by Marvin!

Your post made no sense. Ali avenged the losses to Frazier and Norton and Spinks. The Frazier and Norton fights were close, hardly making the case that Ali folded because he was stood up to and he was out of shape for the Spinks fight and simply got outworked. What does Louis and Robinson got to do with it? Hagler was old and slow when he lost to Leonard. If you're going to make comparisons at least make comparisons that make some semblance of sense! I don't know if the Tyson KoolAid is slowing your thinking but I would recommend laying off the stuff until sanity is restored.

Poet

[BKM-]

Dude, I have all his fights. I was watching him on ESPN when you were still in diapers. Quick KOs over tomato cans are not going to impress me. By tomato cans I include most of the top Heavyweights of the time, easily the weakest in Heavyweight history. I would have been MORE impressed by him LOSING a close decision to Tim Witherspoon than him blowing out Trevor Berbick. He LOST to EVERY top notch fighter he fought.....by knockout. Hell, he lost to every fighter who stood up to him. No, watching his fights impresses me not in the least.

Poet

If you think he's overrated or whatever, atleast be more open minded instead of making yourself look like a stereo type 'hater'. The fact that you don't give any kind of credit whatsoever shows you should not be taken seriously.

Keep it moving people, nothing to see here. Don't mind this one

[Brockton Lip]

I'm unsure if Holmes would've gotten stopped by Tyson if his arm didn't get stuck in the rope when throwing the uppercut. Holmes had a great chin and recovered quickly. If Holmes started to come back, who knows what Tyson would've done, maybe he would've crumbled or maybe he would've fought back again.

[LondonRingRules]

Your post made no sense.
Poet

** Your post made no sense.
Your post made you dense
and gave you a lisp
with some curls and a wisp
and no rythm or rhyme,
but plenty of smoke
to make a big joke
and have a swill time.
noNsense!