your best of all time is..

[K-DOGG]

No. One more post.


Look pimp, it's really easy. You can say that Monzon was the best of his time and Hagler was the best of his time.....just like Greb was the best of his and Walker afterwards, etc., etc.

BUT, you can't say any fighter was the best ever and be certain....cause you don't and never will KNOW.

That's the point, that's the truth and you can post emoticons all f'in day long if it makes you feel like a man.....but it'll never make you "more" right; and actually encourages the belief that you don't know diddly.


Do what you will....think or do not. It's up to you.

[brownpimp88]

owned? Right.

Fellas I'm going home to argue with a brick wall; I could use some intelligent conversation.


Later kid....and keep working on that logic. One day you'll get that 1 + 1 always = 2.

I'm out.

turpin, olson and graziano are overrated, they become gods for beating robinson at 160. If mugabi, hamsho or roldan actually beat hagler, boy they would get loads of hype. what happened though, hagler my boy smoked them all. Every fighter he fought was getting hyped and he ended thier 15 minutes of fame by knokcing them the **** out. Hgaler beat antuoerfermo both times, leonard ran away from him for 12 rounds in a circus sized ring.

[Kid Achilles]

Graziano and Olson never beat Robinson, so in that respect you're wrong right off the bat and further exposing your own lack of historical knowledge.

Moving on...you say that these guys you named are recognized only for fighting Robinson and that their reputations are based entirely on that fact alone and yet guys like Hamsho, Mugabi, Roldan etc were just legitimate greats because you want them to be?

Can you not see your own double standard?

[brownpimp88]

Hmm...really?

The Ring's "20 Greatest Light Heavyweights" from their Sept 2002 issue;

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Tommy Loughran
5. Bob Foster
6. Jimmy Bivins
7. Harold Johnson
8. Maxie Rosenbloom
9. Billy Conn
10. Matthew Saad Muhammad
11. Victor Galindez
12. Jack Dillon
13. Battling Levinsky
14. Joey Maxim
15. Dwight Qawi
16. John Henry Lewis
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Gene Tunney
19. Virgil Hill
20. Marvin Johnson


I'm also in the process of finding the their middleweight ratings from, I believe, the Jan or Feb of 2001 issue, and I'm quite confident that Walker is yet another one of those fighters from that time that you conviently overlooked (like Dempsey & Loughran) when browsing their respective all-time lists.

roy isnt in the top 20, yet p4p they rank him well ahead of loughran, doesnt make sense to me since loughran lost like 50 times.

[brownpimp88]

Graziano and Olson never beat Robinson, so in that respect you're wrong right off the bat and further exposing your own lack of historical knowledge.

Moving on...you say that these guys you named are recognized only for fighting Robinson and that their reputations are based entirely on that fact alone and yet guys like Hamsho, Mugabi, Roldan etc were just legitimate greats because you want them to be?

Can you not see your own double standard?

the guys hagler beat were always in the top 5, hamsho crushed a 25 year old benitez, mugabi has beat many good fighters. Graziano is always dubbed as overrated, and yeah turpin did beat robinson.

[Kid Achilles]

Oh so now you don't like The Ring magzine so much when it doesn't help out your argument.

[Yogi]

I'm suprised that Kid & K-Dogg have spent so much time discussing things with this Brownpimp character, although I have to admit that he does somewhat remind of Butterfly when he first started posting here and was giving us all forehead bruises with his constant & very frequent belittling of just about anyone & everyone not of Ali's era.

[brownpimp88]

Oh so now you don't like The Ring magzine so much when it doesn't help out your argument.

roy was #1 p4p for 7 years pal, loughran lost 50 times, you do the math.

[Kid Achilles]

When did I say anything about Turpin? I say Bobo Olson never beat Robinson, when you stated that he did.

[Kid Achilles]

Math isn't my strong suit. I'm a ******* arts major.