your best of all time is..

[brownpimp88]

Really because I seem to see him rarely get hit cleanly in the face in the more then half a dozen fights I've seen him in....

He seems to be able to easily slip under punches...Most of the time when he got swung at he didn't get hit in the face or the head, it would be the air over his back as he came up with an uppercut or a hook...

slip punches against who, shot fighters and bums?

larry has the reach, he has more skill, he has footwork. Rocky got dropped by archie moore, now i can see why he was scared of liston.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

slip punches against who, shot fighters and bums?

larry has the reach, he has more skill, he has footwork. Rocky got dropped by archie moore, now i can see why he was scared of liston.

The two bold statements alone show just how ignorant and limited your knowledge of fighting actually is, I can see why everyone else stopped answering you...I'm done talking to you basically because you have a very ignorant/limited knowledge of figthing....

[K-DOGG]

HERE'S THE ULTIMATE TRUTH...so pay attention and think about it.

The fact of the matter is if you take any fighter in history...any fighter...all you can say with any degree of certainty is whether or not he was the best of his time.

That's It.....That's ALL you get.


Anything else is pure speculation because if you take "Fighter A" from 1938, you cannot, no matter how hard you try, you cannot put him physically in the ring with "Fighter B" from 2008....or you'd have a man pounding on a casket or beating up an old guy in a wheelchair.

Opinions are like *******s, everybody's got one and some are more full of **** than others.

There is NO PROOF that today's techniques or fighters are any better than yesterdays....NONE, just as there is no proof that yesterday's fighters were any better than today's.

The only thing any of us can do is watch footage if it's available and read accounts of fights.....or watch footage of opponents of fighters who have no footage and put two and two together to have a bearing as to how "great" the "invisible" fighter really was and not be so closed minded as to presume anything.

Only if two men actually meet or met can you say without err that one was the better man....the rest is a guess, educated or not.

....and that's the BOTTOM LINE.....'Kause the K-DOGG says so.


WOOOOOOO!!!!!





....now I feel better.

[Kid Achilles]

Exactly K-Dogg, exactly. I'm interesting in reading Brownpimp's response.

[phallus]

Exactly K-Dogg, exactly. I'm interesting in reading Brownpimp's response.

...u might be waiting a long time, no one beats THA DOGG so easily

[brownpimp88]

So i can say hagler, monzon and b-hop are the best middleweights ever cuz they dominated in thier own era, while others such as greb and walker lost and thier oppoents became famous because they beat greb or walker.

[SABBATH]

....and that's the BOTTOM LINE.....'Kause the K-DOGG says so.


WOOOOOOO!!!!!

DO YA SMELL WHAT THE DOGG IS COOKIN!!!!!

[K-DOGG]

So i can say hagler, monzon and b-hop are the best middleweights ever cuz they dominated in thier own era, while others such as greb and walker lost and thier oppoents became famous because they beat greb or walker.

owned? Right.

Fellas I'm going home to argue with a brick wall; I could use some intelligent conversation.


Later kid....and keep working on that logic. One day you'll get that 1 + 1 always = 2.

I'm out.

[K-DOGG]

DO YA SMELL WHAT THE DOGG IS COOKIN!!!!!

Peace brother....try to get through to young blood while I'm gone.

[Yogi]

walker and loughran were good for thier era, do ring magazine consider them as elite all time greats, nope. Loughran is not top 10 in his own division according to them.

Hmm...really?

The Ring's "20 Greatest Light Heavyweights" from their Sept 2002 issue;

1. Ezzard Charles
2. Archie Moore
3. Michael Spinks
4. Tommy Loughran
5. Bob Foster
6. Jimmy Bivins
7. Harold Johnson
8. Maxie Rosenbloom
9. Billy Conn
10. Matthew Saad Muhammad
11. Victor Galindez
12. Jack Dillon
13. Battling Levinsky
14. Joey Maxim
15. Dwight Qawi
16. John Henry Lewis
17. Bob Fitzsimmons
18. Gene Tunney
19. Virgil Hill
20. Marvin Johnson


I'm also in the process of finding the their middleweight ratings from, I believe, the Jan or Feb of 2001 issue, and I'm quite confident that Walker is yet another one of those fighters from that time that you conviently overlooked (like Dempsey & Loughran) when browsing their respective all-time lists.