Mike Tyson very OVERATED!!

[The Noose]

Tyson's career is fresh in the minds of many, his career highs and lows as are the usual excuses like out of the ring turmoil etc....Tyson will likely be treated more objectively in later years, the criticisms will be less harsh and the praise will be a little lesss glowing as he can be studied better with an open mind. I think Tyson is likely just outside the top 10.

Personally I've always thought Tyson would have a chance to stop many great heavyweights inside of 5 rounds. After 5 when adaptabilty, change of game plan, determination, mental toughness, etc...must increase, Tyson would falter against most if not all. His style was based primarily on overwhelming and getting his opponent out of their ASAP. Other punchers like Louis, Liston, Marciano, Frazier showed much more patience and were content to break their man down. Tyson also didn't handle adversity well and was too dependant on what his trainers told him. Truly great fighters have the ability to solve, outsmart and outwit their difficult opponents and I never saw Tyson do that.

Excellent post.

[K-DOGG]

Tyson's career is fresh in the minds of many, his career highs and lows as are the usual excuses like out of the ring turmoil etc....Tyson will likely be treated more objectively in later years, the criticisms will be less harsh and the praise will be a little lesss glowing as he can be studied better with an open mind. I think Tyson is likely just outside the top 10.

Personally I've always thought Tyson would have a chance to stop many great heavyweights inside of 5 rounds. After 5 when adaptabilty, change of game plan, determination, mental toughness, etc...must increase, Tyson would falter against most if not all. His style was based primarily on overwhelming and getting his opponent out of their ASAP. Other punchers like Louis, Liston, Marciano, Frazier showed much more patience and were content to break their man down. Tyson also didn't handle adversity well and was too dependant on what his trainers told him. Truly great fighters have the ability to solve, outsmart and outwit their difficult opponents and I never saw Tyson do that.

Well Put....as always.

[Brassangel]

Originally posted by SABBATH
Tyson's career is fresh in the minds of many, his career highs and lows as are the usual excuses like out of the ring turmoil etc....Tyson will likely be treated more objectively in later years, the criticisms will be less harsh and the praise will be a little lesss glowing as he can be studied better with an open mind. I think Tyson is likely just outside the top 10.

Personally I've always thought Tyson would have a chance to stop many great heavyweights inside of 5 rounds. After 5 when adaptabilty, change of game plan, determination, mental toughness, etc...must increase, Tyson would falter against most if not all. His style was based primarily on overwhelming and getting his opponent out of their ASAP. Other punchers like Louis, Liston, Marciano, Frazier showed much more patience and were content to break their man down. Tyson also didn't handle adversity well and was too dependant on what his trainers told him. Truly great fighters have the ability to solve, outsmart and outwit their difficult opponents and I never saw Tyson do that.

Excellent post.

The only times Tyson showed signs of caring pre-championship were after his struggles with Tillis; he attacked Mitch Green's body in the early rounds, which was a strategy that was vastly underused given his style. Whenever he did attack the body, he generally found openings for the uppercut; this is a testimoney to his lack of intelligence since he failed to use this strategy as often as he should have.

Post defeat, he looked good against Ruddock who the "underraters" would classify as the perfect Tyson opponent. He was tall (6'3"), big (235 pounds), had reach (over 80"), and wasn't afraid of Tyson. Still, Mike looked better in these fights than his previous 5 or 6.

Post prison, in the 3rd round (before the bite) of the second fight with Holyfield, he showed a hint of heart. He didn't let Evander drive him backwards in a clinch, and he started to outthrow his opponent. Tyson was also 5 pounds lighter in this fight than he was in the first. Had he not committed one of the single most rediculous moments in sports history, he may have helped his own legacy by actually winning a rematch against a hall-of-fame opponent.

Save for a few glimmers, Tyson falls just short of having enough credentials to be included amongst the top. Generally, he should be between 10-12 all-time.

P.S. It's good to be posting again. I am actually compiling a new March Madness tournament for 2007 with a few twists, and a full complement of 64 heavyweights this time.

[butterfly1964]

Tyson's career is fresh in the minds of many, his career highs and lows as are the usual excuses like out of the ring turmoil etc....Tyson will likely be treated more objectively in later years, the criticisms will be less harsh and the praise will be a little lesss glowing as he can be studied better with an open mind. I think Tyson is likely just outside the top 10.

Personally I've always thought Tyson would have a chance to stop many great heavyweights inside of 5 rounds. After 5 when adaptabilty, change of game plan, determination, mental toughness, etc...must increase, Tyson would falter against most if not all. His style was based primarily on overwhelming and getting his opponent out of their ASAP. Other punchers like Louis, Liston, Marciano, Frazier showed much more patience and were content to break their man down. Tyson also didn't handle adversity well and was too dependant on what his trainers told him. Truly great fighters have the ability to solve, outsmart and outwit their difficult opponents and I never saw Tyson do that.

You must understand something. tyson was only 21, 22, and 23. He was young, and at that age oftentimes fighter will find themselves looking for guidance from their trainers. Joe Louis wasn't exactly adaptable. He often had the same kind of trouble with similar styled fighters, and he needed Chappy to give him strategy.

[Verstyle]

Tyson's career is fresh in the minds of many, his career highs and lows as are the usual excuses like out of the ring turmoil etc....Tyson will likely be treated more objectively in later years, the criticisms will be less harsh and the praise will be a little lesss glowing as he can be studied better with an open mind. I think Tyson is likely just outside the top 10.

Personally I've always thought Tyson would have a chance to stop many great heavyweights inside of 5 rounds. After 5 when adaptabilty, change of game plan, determination, mental toughness, etc...must increase, Tyson would falter against most if not all. His style was based primarily on overwhelming and getting his opponent out of their ASAP. Other punchers like Louis, Liston, Marciano, Frazier showed much more patience and were content to break their man down. Tyson also didn't handle adversity well and was too dependant on what his trainers told him. Truly great fighters have the ability to solve, outsmart and outwit their difficult opponents and I never saw Tyson do that.

ppl do seem to criticize him rather quickly. especially ppl that say he's never had heart or continues to say he had no heart.dont know how ppl can take round after round of punishment and get knocked out and not have heart. tyson is from my era and will recieve the most criticism because he's a great and has had alot of flaws.

and as u say about him after 5 rounds things change? well hell yeah. that style of fighting is the hardest style ive ever come in contact with,so for game plans to change after rounds is acceptable to me.its a thing to hide being exhausted and still compete at such a high level(and active wise)

and yeah tyson should have been more patient,but if u have that agressive edge in your head its like "**** it im going for the k.o)

[QueensburyRules]

Historically speakin Tyson is probably UNDERATED now! Possibly overated in his prime. Every1 slags him off as gutless and so on but the 1st Bruno fight u mentioned was a perfect example of the fighting heart he once had! He got tagged by a big shot from a huge puncher, hurt bad, he comes whailing back! He loved to fight and had plenty of guts, i just think he lost his passion and fighting spirit sumwhere along the line.

- -Marrying the unholy tag team of Givens and King will do that to a fella.

Having to take dangerous experimental psychotropic sedatives serves as the nail in the coffin of his prime.