Top 10 heavies ever, head-to-head

[King Koyle]

In a head-to-head list, Marciano would not make the top ten.

I disagree!Me and a lot of other posters on this thread.

[butterfly1964]

I disagree!Me and a lot of other posters on this thread.

He's too small and leaves himself open to punches. he is also slow.

[Joeyzagz]

I think Marciano could beat any PRIME fighter within 3 inches of his height.

Prime Joe Louis and Prime Mike Tyson are the only fighters between 5'10-6'2 who could beat the Rock.

[GasPed]

Holyfield was actually a smaller fighter than both Liston and Louis. Holyfield was only about 190 in his mid 20's, while Louis at that age was well over 200 lbs. Louis was also in the 215lb range in his thirties, all without resistance training. Liston was always over 200lbs. in his entire career except for once, and in his prime he was 212.

I consider Holyfield's heavyweight prime to be those years when he took on Bowe - he was around 215 for those fights and rock solid (whether it was drug-assisted was another matter).

Louis was about 200 in his prime; Liston was 215 when he fought Patterson so you do have a point there. But I honestly think Liston was not mentally strong enough for someone like Holyfield. He was a lot like Tyson - a world-beater when he was the bully/intimidator, and helpless when it didn't go down that way... ..however, I suppose his power would've always given him a chance.

[butterfly1964]

I consider Holyfield's heavyweight prime to be those years when he took on Bowe - he was around 215 for those fights and rock solid (whether it was drug-assisted was another matter).

Louis was about 200 in his prime; Liston was 215 when he fought Patterson so you do have a point there. But I honestly think Liston was not mentally strong enough for someone like Holyfield. He was a lot like Tyson - a world-beater when he was the bully/intimidator, and helpless when it didn't go down that way... ..however, I suppose his power would've always given him a chance.

He weighed 205 for Bowe. When he weighed 217, he was in his mid 30. Louis in his mid 30's weighed about the same, and that's without steroids. Liston in his mid 30's was over 220.

[King Koyle]

He's too small and leaves himself open to punches. he is also slow.

Rocky's heart,chin,stamina,and especially punching power would atleast give him a chance against all the aforementioned heavyweight's IMO.

[Emon723]

Overall achievements, in order, not necessarily prime vs prime.

1.Ali
2.Louis
3.Holmes
4.Foreman
5.Lewis
6.Frazier
7.Holyfield
8.Johnson
9.Marciano
10.Tyson

[GasPed]

He weighed 205 for Bowe. When he weighed 217, he was in his mid 30. Louis in his mid 30's weighed about the same, and that's without steroids. Liston in his mid 30's was over 220.

He was 205 for Bowe I, 217 for Bowe II (a year later), 213 for Bowe III. Anyhow, Liston may have been a match sizewise for Holyfield, but mentally, I kinda doubt it...

[butterfly1964]

He was 205 for Bowe I, 217 for Bowe II (a year later), 213 for Bowe III. Anyhow, Liston may have been a match sizewise for Holyfield, but mentally, I kinda doubt it...

Anyways, size aside, both Liston and Louis hit waaaay harder than Holyfield, and Louis is probably faster, so I don't see how anyone can say that Holy could beat these guys.

[Max Baer]

In terms of overall "greatness:"

1. Ali
2. Louis
3. Dempsey
4. Foreman
5. Holmes
6. Marciano
7. Holyfield
8. Johnson
9. Liston
10. Frazier