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The only 200 pounder who I would give a chance to beat a prime Holyfield would be Roy Jones Jr, and that would be an SD12 as Roy ran for his life and potshotted as hard as he could.
Slow Joe Louis, as good a puncher as he was, would not beat the bigger, stronger, technically sound, head-butting bully that Holyfield was.
And Liston-Holyfield would be a lot like Tyson-Holyfield if you ask me.Comment
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An "Overall Greatness" list belongs in a different thread, at least as far as heavyweights are concerned. Putting a 190 pound Rocky in the ring from 50 years ago against a 250 pound Lennox Lewis is a ridiculous proposition - that's why a head-to-head list will always be dominated by heavyweights from the last 20 years.Comment
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Of your top 10 boxers in the heavyweight division, you've got to go with Georgie Foreman, Larry Holmes, and Joe Frazier.
Frazier was the boxer who handed Ali his first loss.
Holmes defeated Ali by TKO when Ali was unable to answer the bell.
Foreman got KO'd by Ali in Zaire in the eighth round by an Ali right hand. On the other hand, Foreman simply manhandled Frazier in Kingston, Jamaica by knocking him down a total of seven times and won the heavyweight title. One of Foreman's KOs saw Frazier literally get lifted off his feet. Whoa! That Foreman could sure as hell punch!!Comment
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If Louis hit Holyfield with his classic combinatons, he would make Evander run for his life.
As "slow" as Louis was, he is still faster than Holyfield.
Also Liston is not Tyson. They are two different styles. Holyfield almost got ko'd by an old Foreman, imagine what a prime Liston would do to him.Comment
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what the ****!!!
you have bowe but not tunney, what is wrong with you.
Tunney would give Marciano, Liston ,Frazier,(although listons jab would no doubt get to tunney, id probably favor liston but not by a huge margin. Gene Tunney was an expert at stepping out and picking angles keeping guys from getting set with his jab, and a big guy like Liston or Foreman who both pack huge looping shots and pretty good straight rights, Tunney's plan would be to move to his right and keeping the jab in the larger slugger's face all night. if he fails or misses with a jab or over commits to a jab, it could be nite nite though, so yeah. tunney's jab really was that good though. It was better than Moorer's when he fought Foreman that's for sure.
ill tell you one thing, if gene tunney fought the 1990 mike tyson who had just lost to douglas, i'd bet on gene to beat him. and imo he'd even have a good chance to beat a pre-douglas tyson. It's just so hard for us to imagine that happening because before tyson fought douglas, with the exception of the easy title fights tyson won before that, all he fought were guys that were made for him to look good. guys that were thrown into the lions den just to get blown outta there. like mike jameson. Tunney was way better than he gets credit for. Bowe is like a #25 ATG heavyweight. he doesnt belong up there with louis, holmes, and ali, guy.
now, ali and holmes, would **** clean over tunney if they ever fought. it'd be like crushing an ant with a sledgehammer probablyLast edited by SquareCircle; 12-22-2006, 04:40 PM.Comment
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SquareCircle, you seem to have some sort of fixation with Gene Tunney. Number one, we don't even know if he could take a good punch, so how are you gonna say that he would beat Tyson? Tunney was fast, but when I watch him on film, he looked kind of stiff. He wasn't as fluid as guys like Ali, Walcott, Charles, etc. He was 189 at best, and he only fought Dempsey and Heeney as the only HW's I see on his record, so I don't see how he would survive against even the Douglass tyson. If Tyson nailed him with a good shot, I'm pretty sure it's lights out. Even a washed-up Dempsy, who lost a lot of his speed and explosiveness was still able to get him down once he got him cornered. You overrate Tunney. He is at best a top 15 heavyweight, and in terms of accomplishment, he would be much lower, since he fought very few at heavyweight.Comment
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