If Foreman fought a different against Ali, would he have won?

[butterfly1964]

The excuses for Ali not taking Frazier seriously should be thrown in the trashcan from now on. How can you honestly say that when watching him pound on Frazier relentlessly for almost half of the fight. He sure as hell took Frazier seriously when he was knocked down in the 15th, the look on his face said it all. You might THINK that fighters don't take a guy seriously, but when the fight is on, and you're holding on for dear life, you're taking it serious.
And He was in great shape, people have to admit this. No man alive could withstand a 15 round bodypunching session from Joe freakin' Frazier! 2 pounds of diffirence isn't enough to convince me.
If Ali still hadn't healed properly from Chuvalo in the Frazier fight, he would have been in the emergency room before round 5. The pain he was in everytime Frazier punched his body, was because of Frazier.
I only don't disagree with how you descriped the diffirences between Ali before and after the lay off, although it wasn't as much as you say.
You make a lot of excuses for Muhammad Ali regarding this fight, and i would take a lot of it as facts, if Ali hadn't fought so great that night. He simply showed up that night, had one of his highest punch stats in a fight and showed incredible endurance that maybe a handfull of fighters could match.

But anyway, this is about Foreman and Ali. The answer is NO, Foreman would never beat him no matter how he fought.

Ali was not in great shape, at least not in the shape he should have been in. Again, he weighed 215 lb., more than he ever weighed in a fight up to that point. He weighed 212 in the bonavena fight, which means he probably was taking Bonavena more seriously than Frazier. Again, Ali fought Frazier just three months after a rough fight from Bonavena. Ali should have been allowed at least half a year to heal from that fight, but Ali wanted to make as much money as he could as quickly as possible, because he thought he was going to jail. Ali was not in bad shape, but not in the best shape he could have been in if he was really determined to train.

[BoxingFan2]

I'm one of those who believe that Ali won more rounds, or at least score on round basis could be 7-7-1, but he did lose the fight to Frazier. If Ali was more active in middle rounds, round 8 comes to my mind, he could actually won that fight, but he was tired so that's why he laid on the ropes and got cought in 11th. Ali looked tired as early as in 2nd round. So yes, his conditioning wasn't the best, but he did fight great fight, and it was Frazier after all. All credit to Frazier because he took some terrible beating that night, and he did deserve the nod, but it was very close fight IMO. Frazier's best fight in his career, Ali had better days, but all respect to Frazier,he is great too.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Now Butterfly is saying that Ali took Bonavena more seriously than Frazier. LOL, Frazier had beaten Bonavena twice before his fight with Ali, and one of those fights was the one sided 1968 rematch (in which Frazier won about 12 of 15rounds).

Anyways, George Foreman and Sonny Liston didn't take Ali seriously, so that is why they lost to him.

[K-DOGG]

Now Butterfly is saying that Ali took Bonavena more seriously than Frazier. LOL, Frazier had beaten Bonavena twice before his fight with Ali, and one of those fights was the one sided 1968 rematch (in which Frazier won about 12 of 15rounds).

Anyways, George Foreman and Sonny Liston didn't take Ali seriously, so that is why they lost to him.

RIGHT!! Those losses had nothing to do with Ali whooping those asses. Nothing to do with Ali getting so much under their skin that if you'd taken a DNA test they would have tested positive for A.L.I.

Right. LOL!!!!

[Frazier's 15th round]

I was using Butterfly's logic against him, dumbass. I've noticed that boxing forums are the most clueless when it comes to sarcasm.

[BKM-]

they would have tested positive for A.L.I

Haha, oh Lord. I think he was sarcastic though.

[K-DOGG]

I was using Butterfly's logic against him, dumbass. I've noticed that boxing forums are the most clueless when it comes to sarcasm.

1. Sarcasm does not translate well in print.
2. Given the nature of some of your other posts, there was no evidence that this one was any different.
3. Like I give a ****.

[Frazier's 15th round]

4. You're a dumbass nonetheless

[K-DOGG]

4. You're a dumbass nonetheless

Then how come I know sign language,

[hemichromis]

Now Butterfly is saying that Ali took Bonavena more seriously than Frazier. LOL, Frazier had beaten Bonavena twice before his fight with Ali, and one of those fights was the one sided 1968 rematch (in which Frazier won about 12 of 15rounds).

Anyways, George Foreman and Sonny Liston didn't take Ali seriously, so that is why they lost to him.

foreman did think he would destroy ali and he let his anger control him thats why he lost

liston knew ali was dangerous but he also got very ngry at ali and that NEVER emds well!!