vincent_m

Marciano the king..proven.. Lets look at the facts..Marciano,Frazier and Tyson were all pressure fighters..Now,Marciano beats three great champions..Louis,Charles and Walcott..retired undefeated with a perfect record and was never knocked out. During filming for scenes for the Ali vs Marciano computer fight ,a prime Ali got a bit cocky with a middle aged Marciano..who had been retired for a few years...and Marciano pounded him so badly that he had to be pulled off.. Ali said afterwards words to the effect that he couldnt have beaten Marciano..... in fact Frazier,who modelled himself on Dempsey and Marciano gave Ali HUGE problems with perpetual pressure.. Now Tyson...incredibly hyped even at his **peak**...but what GREAT fighters did he beat?..NOBODY...An aging Larry Holmes,who was kept well away from Ali in the early seventies because it was KNOWN that Holmes would beat him at that time..look what Homes did to Leon Sphinks....and Holmes was part of the same stable. Tyson beat a load of bums and average aging exs..Pinklon Thomas,Tony Tucker,a washed up Larry Holmes,Micheal spinks,James Smith,Trevor Berbick..and so on... Tyson always had trouble with hit and move fighters that went past the middle rounds..not so with Marciano,he could take you out as easily in the last as in the first..look at the Walcott and La Starza fights.. The first very good fighter Tyson faced was Holyfield.....and Holyfield won... Could Holyfield have beaten a prime Ali?..no,look at the trouble he had with an aging Larry Holmes...so its fair to say a prime Larry Holmes would have flattened Holyfield and Ali certainly... So,by definition,a prime Holmes could have beaten Hollyfield,maybe Ali..Holmes beat Norton,Ali beat Frazier and Norton.but close fights back and forward.. Tyson was knocked out or stopped by Holyfield,Lewis and Buster Douglas..who was flattened by Holyfield... Now,could Holyfield have beaten Frazier?..well look what he did to Dwight Braxton and Bert Cooper..beat both of them quite easily // So a prime Holyfield would have beaten Frazier.. NONE of the afore mentioned would have beaten George Foreman in his prime..except possibly Larry Holmes,BUT Foreman was beaten by Ali...**more Foreman punching himself out than anything else....Certainly a prime Foreman would have done to Tyson what he did to Frazier and Norton.. So,in my view..Tysons not in the same league as a prime Ali,a prime Holyfield, a prime Holmes or Foreman...that is ..as you can see above easily proven... Could Tyson have beaten Frazier?...no...because Frazier threw far more punches and had a far better chin... Could Frazier have beaten Marciano?....this WOULD have been a great fight..but no,Marciano would have stopped Frazier late..look at the trouble Frazier had with Bonavena..someone as tough as him,who could take a great punch... ..and i dont think anyone could make a case for Bonavena being there with MARCIANO... Sonny Liston would have beaten Frazier and Tyson on the same night..he was just tougher all round,..and Liston loved Marciano..idolised him..like he did Louis.. So,all the facts considered,i have it like this..in their primes... 1.Rocky Marciano 2.Ali 3.Foreman 4.Holmes..equal..Louis... 5.Holyfield 6.Liston 7..Frazier...equal Dempsey.. 8..Norton 9..Lennox Lewis 10.Walcott This is my view,but i think sound as a boxing fan of over 40 years,and whatever anyone thinks Marcianos record says it all..undefeated...and you just couldnt hurt him..

YOUR FORgETTING.. The rematch king Evander Holyfield..who when past his best drew with Lennox Lewis and controversially lost the rematch on points..i watched that fight and thought Evander deserve it... Lennox lost to Rachman and apart from him fought a load of bums...a washed up Tyson,Garry Mason,..why didnt Lennox ever fight Riddick Bowe? Out of Lennoxs 38 wins,the first 14 fighters he beat my mum could have beat! The next 24...most recent first...had 4 or 5 decent fighters in there,ONE very good fighter..Holyfield..who beat him.. Win 41–2–1 Ukraine Vitali Klitschko TKO 6 (12), 3:00 21 June 2003 Los Angeles, California, U.S. Retained WBC/IBO Heavyweight titles. The fight was stopped after the 6th round, on the advice of the ringside doctor, due to a large cut over Klitschko's left eye. Win 40–2–1 United States Mike Tyson KO 8 (12), 2:25 8 June 2002 Memphis, Tennessee, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Win 39–2–1 United States Hasim Rahman KO 4 (12), 1:29 17 November 2001 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Won IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Loss 38–2–1 United States Hasim Rahman KO 5(12) 22 April 2001 Brakpan, South Africa Lost IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Win 38–1–1 New Zealand David Tua Unan. decision 12 11 November 2000 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Win 37–1–1 South Africa Francois Botha TKO 2 (12), 2:39 15 July 2000 London, England Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Win 36–1–1 United States Michael Grant KO 2 (12), 2:53 29 April 2000 New York City, New York, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles. Win 35–1–1 United States Evander Holyfield Unan. decision 12 13 November 1999 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC, and won IBF, WBA, and vacant IBO Heavyweight titles. The WBA title was later stripped due to refusal to fight John Ruiz. Draw 34–1–1 United States Evander Holyfield Decision 12 13 March 1999 New York City, New York, U.S. Lewis' WBC and Holyfield's IBF and WBA Heavyweight titles were at stake. Win 34–1 Croatia Željko Mavrović Unan. decision 12 26 September 1998 Uncasville, Connecticut, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Win 33–1 United States Shannon Briggs TKO 5 (12), 1:45 28 March 1998 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Win 32–1 Poland Andrew Golota TKO 1 (12), 1:35 4 October 1997 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Win 31–1 United Kingdom Henry Akinwande Disqualification 5 (12), 2:34 12 July 1997 Stateline, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Akinwande was disqualified for repeated holding. Win 30–1 United States Oliver McCall TKO 5 (12), 0:55 7 February 1997 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Won vacant WBC Heavyweight title. Win 29–1 United States Ray Mercer Maj. decision 10 10 May 1996 New York City, New York, U.S. Win 28–1 United States Tommy Morrison TKO 6 (12), 1:22 7 October 1995 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Won IBC Heavyweight title. Win 27–1 Australia Justin Fortune TKO 4 (10) 2 July 1995 Dublin, Ireland Win 26–1 United States Lionel Butler TKO 5 (12), 2:55 13 May 1995 Sacramento, California, U.S. Loss 25–1 United States Oliver McCall TKO 2 (12), 0:31 24 September 1994 London, England Lost WBC Heavyweight title. Win 25–0 United States Phil Jackson TKO 8 (12), 1:35 6 May 1994 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Win 24–0 United Kingdom Frank Bruno TKO 7 (12), 1:12 1 October 1993 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Win 23–0 United States Tony Tucker Unan. decision 12 8 May 1993 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title. Lewis was declared the WBC Heavyweight Champion on 14 January 1993, after then-champion Riddick Bowe refused to defend against him. Win 22–0 Canada Donovan Ruddock TKO 2 (12), 0:46 31 October 1992 London, England Retained Commonwealth Heavyweight title. Win 21–0 United States Mike Dixon TKO 4 (10), 1:03 11 August 1992 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Win 20–0 United Kingdom Derek Williams TKO 3 (12) 30 April 1992 London, England Retained EBU European Heavyweight and BBBofC British Heavyweight titles, won Commonwealth Heavyweight title and won outright Lonsdale Belt. Win 19–0 United States Levi Billups Unan. decision 10 1 February 1992 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Win 18–0 United States Tyrell Biggs TKO 3 (10), 2:47 23 November 1991 Atlanta, Georgia, U.S. Win 17–0 United Kingdom Glenn McCrory TKO 2 (12) 30 September 1991 London, England Retained EBU European Heavyweight and BBBofC British Heavyweight titles. Win 16–0 United States Mike Weaver TKO 6 (10) 12 July 1991 Stateline, Nevada, U.S. Win 15–0 United Kingdom Gary Mason TKO 7 (12), 0:44 6 March 1991 London, England Retained EBU European