Lewis never dominated his era.
He was bloody stripped of his titles for refusing to fight Top Contenders. WTF does that tell you?
LOL true, I forgot about that. Was too scared to face Byrd. Wlad would never let that happen.
Lennox defeated everyone he ever fought, and pizza-faced the next guy in line.
No other champ In HW history can say that.
He also had his mom meet Vitaly so she could tell him whether he should give Big Vit a rematch he promised in front of millions, she told him no and he retired, no other HW in history has done that. True story...
Lewis was not dominant at all in the 90's he never faced the top guys at the time eg Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson, Foreman, Moorer etc (not that it was always his fault mind you) he wasn’t really rated that highly either and he was beaten by McCall. Lewis was dominant in the early 00's but Holyfield was a bit past it by that point (I remember everyone was saying Holyfield was washed up before the Tyson fight) and Tyson was past it to he was also knocked out by Rahman.
Lewis was a great fighter but I don’t know there is always something about his career that is a bit of a let down to me, maybe because he never really faced a prime great fighter.
YOUR FORgETTING..
The rematch king Evander Holyfield..who when past his best drew with Lennox Lewis and controversially lost the rematch on points..i watched that fight and thought Evander deserve it...
Lennox lost to Rachman and apart from him fought a load of bums...a washed up Tyson,Garry Mason,..why didnt Lennox ever fight Riddick Bowe?
Out of Lennoxs 38 wins,the first 14 fighters he beat my mum could have beat!
The next 24...most recent first...had 4 or 5 decent fighters in there,ONE very good fighter..Holyfield..who beat him..
Win 41–2–1 Ukraine Vitali Klitschko TKO 6 (12), 3:00 21 June 2003 Los Angeles, California, U.S. Retained WBC/IBO Heavyweight titles.
The fight was stopped after the 6th round, on the advice of the ringside doctor, due to a large cut over Klitschko's left eye.
Win 40–2–1 United States Mike Tyson KO 8 (12), 2:25 8 June 2002 Memphis, Tennessee, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight
titles.
Win 39–2–1 United States Hasim Rahman KO 4 (12), 1:29 17 November 2001 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Won IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles.
Loss 38–2–1 United States Hasim Rahman KO 5(12) 22 April 2001 Brakpan, South Africa Lost IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight titles.
Win 38–1–1 New Zealand David Tua Unan. decision 12 11 November 2000 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight
titles.
Win 37–1–1 South Africa Francois Botha TKO 2 (12), 2:39 15 July 2000 London, England Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight
titles.
Win 36–1–1 United States Michael Grant KO 2 (12), 2:53 29 April 2000 New York City, New York, U.S. Retained IBF/IBO/WBC Heavyweight
titles.
Win 35–1–1 United States Evander Holyfield Unan. decision 12 13 November 1999 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC, and won IBF, WBA,
and vacant IBO Heavyweight titles.
The WBA title was later stripped due
to refusal to fight John Ruiz.
Draw 34–1–1 United States Evander Holyfield Decision 12 13 March 1999 New York City, New York, U.S. Lewis' WBC and Holyfield's IBF and
WBA Heavyweight titles were at stake.
Win 34–1 Croatia Željko Mavrović Unan. decision 12 26 September 1998 Uncasville, Connecticut, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 33–1 United States Shannon Briggs TKO 5 (12), 1:45 28 March 1998 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 32–1 Poland Andrew Golota TKO 1 (12), 1:35 4 October 1997 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 31–1 United Kingdom Henry Akinwande Disqualification 5 (12), 2:34 12 July 1997 Stateline, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Akinwande was disqualified for
repeated holding.
Win 30–1 United States Oliver McCall TKO 5 (12), 0:55 7 February 1997 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Won vacant WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 29–1 United States Ray Mercer Maj. decision 10 10 May 1996 New York City, New York, U.S.
Win 28–1 United States Tommy Morrison TKO 6 (12), 1:22 7 October 1995 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Won IBC Heavyweight title.
Win 27–1 Australia Justin Fortune TKO 4 (10) 2 July 1995 Dublin, Ireland
Win 26–1 United States Lionel Butler TKO 5 (12), 2:55 13 May 1995 Sacramento, California, U.S.
Loss 25–1 United States Oliver McCall TKO 2 (12), 0:31 24 September 1994 London, England Lost WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 25–0 United States Phil Jackson TKO 8 (12), 1:35 6 May 1994 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 24–0 United Kingdom Frank Bruno TKO 7 (12), 1:12 1 October 1993 Cardiff, Wales Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Win 23–0 United States Tony Tucker Unan. decision 12 8 May 1993 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S. Retained WBC Heavyweight title.
Lewis was declared the WBC Heavyweight Champion on 14 January 1993, after then-champion Riddick Bowe refused to defend against him.
Win 22–0 Canada Donovan Ruddock TKO 2 (12), 0:46 31 October 1992 London, England Retained Commonwealth
Heavyweight title.
Win 21–0 United States Mike Dixon TKO 4 (10), 1:03 11 August 1992 Atlantic City, New Jersey, U.S.
Win 20–0 United Kingdom Derek Williams TKO 3 (12) 30 April 1992 London, England Retained EBU European
Heavyweight and BBBofC British
Heavyweight titles, won
Commonwealth Heavyweight title
and won outright Lonsdale Belt.
Win 19–0 United States Levi Billups Unan. decision 10 1 February 1992 Las Vegas, Nevada, U.S.
Win 18–0 United States Tyrell Biggs TKO 3 (10), 2:47 23 November 1991 Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.
Win 17–0 United Kingdom Glenn McCrory TKO 2 (12) 30 September 1991 London, England Retained EBU European
Heavyweight and BBBofC British
Heavyweight titles.
Win 16–0 United States Mike Weaver TKO 6 (10) 12 July 1991 Stateline, Nevada, U.S.
Win 15–0 United Kingdom Gary Mason TKO 7 (12), 0:44 6 March 1991 London, England Retained EBU European
Is there anyone?
No there is no other fighter in history only Lennox Lewis who was stripped of every version of his undisputed title for refusing to fight the No1 contenders.. its a terrible black mark against Lewis but he obviously knew he could not beat those guys.
That was Tyson past his prime, mental prime that is. By the Frank Bruno fight Tyson had abandoned his jab; his bob and weave was gone. By this point he believed the hype and was a shadow of what he had been.
At this point, when he was no longer a "boxer" but a brawler he would have been beaten by ALL top quality heavyweights from any era.
he was in his physical prime vs buster douglas that’s a fact don’t come with the mental prime crap a world class boxer should put his life outside the ring behind him as soon as that bell rings
The fact is the first motivated guy Tyson fought who wasn’t scared of him beat his ass
as good as lennox lewis?
jess willard
james j. corbett
john l. sullivan
wladimir klitschko
vitali klitschko
ingemar johanssen
jimmy ellis
max schmeling
max baer
jack sharkey
primo carnera
ezzard charles
jersey joe walcott
shannon briggs
ernie terrell
greg page
michael moorer
tony tubbs
bonecrusher smith
bruce seldon
ruslan chagaev
nikolay valuev
tony tucker
michael spinks
john ruiz
hasim rahman
chris byrd
roy jones jr.
mike tyson
frank bruno
bruce seldon
tim witherspoon
leon spinks
ken norton
pinklon thomas
trevor berbick
evander holyfield
riddick bowe
larry holmes
muhammad ali
george foreman
joe frazier
sonny liston
floyd patterson
rocky marciano
joe louis
james braddock
jim jeffries
jack dempsey
jack johnson
bob fitszimmons
that's just off the top of my head.
i'm sure there's a lot more.
wow, and I thought I was tough on Lewis
Frank Bruno,
Tony Tucker,
Shannon Briggs
Michael Grant,
David Tua,
Hasim Rahman
were quality wins
Evander Holyfield was an excellent win
Klitschko was also a very good win but the cut and no rematch mars that win.
Lewis probably makes it into the TOP 10 -- which, for all of you who think I putting him down, is pretty f**king good.
The hardest thing to do in Boxing is to face the guy who defeated you!
Foreman never rematched Ali
Wlad never rematched Ross Puritty
Vitali never rematched Chris Byrd
And Tyson never rematched Buster Douglas!
Lennox is above all of the previous names mentioned because he was not afraid to get in the ring with the man who dethroned him. That takes a lot of guts. Guts Tyson doesnt have.
Lennox should have given Vitali a rematch
Thats what separates Lewis from all the other Heavyweight champions. He defeated everyone he ever faced, including the dominant guy of the next era. You cant get much better than that.
So did Johnson, Louis and Ali (until they were past prime)
Give Lewis his due. He knew when to quit and to stay gone unlike many others.
The only real fight the pre-prison Tyson ever had was against the only decent heavyweight fighter he fought, a determined, well-conditioned Buster Douglas -- and Tyson was roundly beaten, battered and knocked out! That was Tyson in his prime, against a fighter who went on to "extinguish" himself by being knocked out in three rounds by Evander Holyfield.
That was Tyson past his prime, mental prime that is. By the Frank Bruno fight Tyson had abandoned his jab; his bob and weave was gone. By this point he believed the hype and was a shadow of what he had been.
At this point, when he was no longer a "boxer" but a brawler he would have been beaten by ALL top quality heavyweights from any era.
Doesn't really count, seeing as the majority of Louis's opponents would have been little more than small cruiserweights in Lewis's era.
The question was " Name me heavyweights who dominated their era the same as/more than Lennox Lewis. "
Joe Louis was a Heavyweight.
Jack Johnson,
Joe Louis,
Muhammad Ali,
Larry Holmes
How Good Was/Is Mike Tyson?
By Frank Scoblete
30 January 2000
Now that Mike Tyson's career is almost over, it might be of interest to take a cold hard look at just how good he was at his best to get some idea of where he stands in the rankings of the great heavyweight champions.
It is not a stretch to say that much of the fearsome Tyson persona of a decade or more ago was media hype and was little related to what he actually accomplished in the ring or against whom he accomplished it.
We can make a case that Tyson fought "never-wases" and "nothing-lefters" in his early career culminating with his knockout over an intimidated former light-heavyweight champion Michael Spinks, whose only real claim to fame was "winning" two controversial decisions against an aging and distracted Larry Holmes.
Other than the light-hitting, terrified Spinks and the out-of-shape, intimidated, comebacking, former great Larry Holmes, who did Tyson actually fight in his pre-prison days who was truly any good in absolute terms? If we measure competition based on who Ali faced, then who of all Tyson's pre-prison opponents was as good as Jerry Quarry, Oscar Bonavena, Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Joe Bugner, Mac Foster, Floyd Patterson, Zora Foley, Cleveland Williams, Jimmy Ellis, Bob Foster or Ernie Terrell, not to mention the awesome likes of all-time greats Sonny Liston, George Foreman or Smokin' Joe Frazier? Would you classify Bonecrusher Smith, Tony Tucker, Trevor Berbick or Frank Bruno with any those other fighters? Only if you never saw them fight!
The only real fight the pre-prison Tyson ever had was against the only decent heavyweight fighter he fought, a determined, well-conditioned Buster Douglas -- and Tyson was roundly beaten, battered and knocked out! That was Tyson in his prime, against a fighter who went on to "extinguish" himself by being knocked out in three rounds by Evander Holyfield.
If the pre-prison Tyson's boxing worth must be looked at with some skepticism, then the post-prison Tyson must be looked upon with scorn. Often in boxing, the true greatness of a fighter is not actually known when he is in his prime as he defeats opponent after opponent rather convincingly. It is only after he ages, slows down, and gets himself into wars are we aware of just how good the fighter is -- and was!
Certainly that was true of Ali. Before he made his comeback from an almost four-year forced layoff, there were all sorts of questions about his ability. Could he take a punch? Had he been beating up washed-up fighters? Did he have courage? Would he dog it if he were ever in a real fight? The layoff slowed Ali down, made him more vulnerable. What's more, great fighters appeared in that time, fighters better than any he had previously fought!
So a somewhat diminished Ali met each and every challenger -- starting with a comeback fight against highly ranked Jerry Quarry and then a second fight against vicious number-one contender Oscar Bonavena. His first career loss to Joe Frazier in his third comeback fight proved he could take a punch and that he had mountains of courage. That fight was the first of several "wars" Ali would fight in this second part of his career.
His next loss was to Ken Norton. Fighting 11 rounds with a broken jaw, Ali merely proved again that he was as courageous as any fighter who ever lived. His great victories against these very same fighters and his upset win over the god-like Foreman, showed what a great fighter he was -- and how much greater he had been before his layoff!
Not so with Tyson. His "layoff" was heralded with a return to the ring against a rank amateur, Peter McNeeley, whom Tyson "destroyed" with a wild flurry in round one. This same McNeeley was later knocked out by the bloated Butterbean in one round and has since lost just about every real fight he's had! And what of Buster Mathis, Jr., Bruce "I was knocked out by a gust of air" Seldon, Francois Botha, or Julian Francis? Are they credible opponents? Only if elephants can fly.
The only real fight the post-prison Tyson had of any significance was against Evander Holyfield, who was selected because he appeared to be a shot fighter, having lost two out of three to the disappointing Riddick Bowe. Had Tyson known that Holyfield was not a shot fighter, but actually the only great heavyweight of the 1990s, I'm sure he would have selected a different fighter to beat, perhaps a third go-round with the overrated Razor Ruddock who proved himself a worthy Tyson contender by being knocked out in one round by the otherwise cautious Lennox Lewis.
So here we have a very simple yardstick for measuring the greatness of Mike Tyson. He fought two hard fights, one pre-prison and one post-prison -- both of which he lost (subsequently, he ate his way to a third loss and fouled himself into a no-decision). The rest of his victories, pre-prison and post-prison, were over fighters who couldn't make the "C" list during Ali's tenure. So where does that put him on the list of all-time greats?
It doesn't. He doesn't belong. He's not even in the top 20!
If you think of the very few good heavyweight fighters who have plied their trade in the late 1980s and 1990s, it is a short list: Evander Holyfield, George Foreman (oh, yes, the Big George who fought Holyfield would have rocked Iron Mike just as he did Smokin' Joe), Riddick Bowe, and maybe Lennox Lewis and Michael Moorer. Tyson only fought one of them, and lost. The others he avoided.
I do not, as some writers do, lament the fact that Mike Tyson never lived up to his potential. In fact, I believe he did live up to it, fully, completely. His potential just wasn't all that great and that's what he became -- not all that great.
The hardest thing to do in Boxing is to face the guy who defeated you!
Foreman never rematched Ali
Wlad never rematched Ross Puritty
Vitali never rematched Chris Byrd
And Tyson never rematched Buster Douglas!
Lennox is above all of the previous names mentioned because he was not afraid to get in the ring with the man who dethroned him. That takes a lot of guts. Guts Tyson doesnt have.
We know, in retrospect, that Tyson was a weak-willed man. But facing the man who beat you before has been done MANY times before:
Dempsey-Tuney II
Louis-Schmelling II
Walcott-Marciano II
Patterson-Johansson II
Ali-Liston II
Ali-Frazier II and III
not to mention tons of others
As for the "sparring together" there are "57" different stories about that. You might get the truth from Tyson-if he recalls it, because he's a naturally truthful fellow, but you won't from Lewis, unless he beat Tyson up...which I doubt. 0
As for Tyson not wanting to fight Lewis, at that stage in his life, boozed, drugged and worn out from all forms of excess, and battles with the authorities, Tyson was already well finished as "Iron Mike". Lewis forced him into that fight, knowing he had ALL the advantages, yet he was so careful that it took him 8 rounds to KO the empty Tyson shell.
Phooey.......
tyson = over hyped
Lewis= best hw of our era hands down
tyson never wanted to face lewis in his prime
What you're actually saying is that the group of champions mentioned were nervous (or afraid) to fight returns. That's ridiculous. There was no point in Klitschko fighting Purrity again, Purrity was a fringe journeyman, with many losses, and Klitschko won every round except the 11th.
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Oliver Mccall was a journeyman as well. It doesnt matter who the guy is, if he beats you there will always be fear and doubt in your mind. Foreman had all the physical tools to defeat Ali, but he was emotionally scarred and embarrassed by that loss, so never sought redemption.
Thats what separates Lewis from all the other Heavyweight champions. He defeated everyone he ever faced, including the dominant guy of the next era. You cant get much better than that.