Well considering that Oscar ran like a B and lost that fight. And, Pac had Cotto moonwalking in the ring.
That I see Pac winning that fight.
He lost that fight?!? Wow.. hopefully you don't ever become a professional judge.
didnt we already see that in the manny-cotto fight...where cotto(oscar)ran away in the final rounds??
Didn't we see that in every Mayweather fight? Where Mayweather ran away in every round?
I actually have watch the fight plenty.
You not disputing anything I am saying.
Proves that you only seen compubox numbers and get your opinion in myths that came after the fight.
Too bad you didn't watch it live.
So you could see that fight was by far not a robbery at all. Not even close.
So because I didn't watch it live that suddenly makes me wrong? :lol1:
It's true that Compubox numbers don't always tell the winner when there's a slight difference. But when the difference is over a hundred punches landed, you can't even dispute it.
De La Hoya may have given the last few rounds away, but for the majority of the fight he was putting on a boxing display.
If you've seen it plenty of times, why don't you tell me the rounds in which Trinidad won? I'll be waiting.
wow..how was floyd even mentioned here????it never fails...oscar was never faster than manny,never..that fight would look exactly how the manny-cotto fight looked and with oscar playing the role of cotto
As Floyd says, himself: "All roads lead to Floyd Mayweather!"
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Not according to your favorite stat. Compubox....
And, it moved Oscar, it backed him up then made him change direction.
It was the best punch of that round.
I agree baboon.
Well, it's clear there's no point in debating with you. You have no idea what you're even talking.
By the way, are you Pierre Benoist? You know, the guy who scored the first Martinez-Williams fight 119-110 for Williams?
It really wouldn't shock me if you were.
His punches were more damaging than Oscar pitty pats. And, LOL at you bring up compubox like if that is the you score fights.
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dumbass.
Wow.. this post basically says you haven't even watched the fight.
Go watch some more Trinidad highlight videos, you moron.
Again, couldn't dispute anything I said.
Just proves that you have not watch the fight.
For example watch round one, Nothing really happens but Tito fur sure lands the best punch of the round with 30sec left with a hook to the body that made Oscar change direction quick.
That right there is a round that could of gone to either guy. This pro's you score it as a pro's, the pitty pat **** is they way you score amateur fights not pro's.
Let's review round one:
First minute of the round, Trinidad landed nothing. De La Hoya landed a little left hook, at around 52 seconds into the round, that made Trinidad take a step back.
Second minute, De La Hoya throws two hard punches and one of them definitely lands. Trinidad lands nothing.
Third minute, De La Hoya lands a hard right hand with about 30 seconds left in the round. Trinidad does land a light left hook. But to say it's the best punch of the round is absolutely ridiculous. The best punch of the round was clearly De La Hoya's right hand that sent Trinidad back a step (again).
Also hilarious how you say De La Hoya's punches were pitty-pat punches, when he actually threw the harder punches and Trinidad the lighter ones. Mostly jabs that even missed De La Hoya's gloves.
I'm actually convinced you haven't watched this fight but probably read about it on a Trinidad fansite.
He didn't win that fight.
Hopefully you don't ever become a judge because you will score rounds like if it was an amateur fight and not a pro fight. You just look at flashiness and not substance.
Hell Oscar biggest cheerleaders, HBO even till this day are still on Oscar jockstrap, scored that fight a draw. So what does that tell you?
So GTFOH....
It maybe not so much that Tito won it but more so that Oscar lost it.
Oh yeah, Tito won that fight by throwing and landing over a hundred less punches than De La Hoya did.
All makes perfect sense.
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Actually the left hook that Tito landed was the best punch of the round.
And, since you like to use compubox so much did you know Tito outlanded Oscar by compubox.
Anyways, it was a round that could of gone either way.
To say otherwise is retarded and prove that you haven't seen that fight.
How was it the best punch? It didn't even have an effect on De La Hoya. You said it did because he moved away after Trinidad landed the punch, but De La Hoya was constantly moving around anyways..
Trinidad threw more, but did not land more. De La Hoya clearly landed more punches and more effective punches at that.
Man, this is seriously like talking with a baboon.
Round 1, 4, and 5 could of gone either way. 9-12 Tito won.
To think that Oscar won every single round clearly for the first 8 rounds is just ridiculous. And, makes me sure that you have not seen that fight.
Could he have a case to have won every round? Sure... Did he win them clearly? No... Does Tito have a case to have won some of the rounds in the first 8 rounds? Yes. There were at least 3 rounds that were close, that could of gone either way.
Wow.. you are dumb.
Please never apply to become a judge.
Bums arn't 3 time welterweights champs! Bums don't win Ring title belts! Seriously guy did you just start watching boxing yesterday? Champion Boxers who move up in weight get ranked almost all the time even if they hadn't ever fought in their division. It's called a body of work my friend. **** Sergio Martinez lost a bout with paul Williams at middleweightand then got a title shot against Kelly Pavlik so why are you up in arms about that???
Margarito was exposed as a tomato can against Mosley. Or did taking a vicious beating from an over the hill fighter prove he was championship material? :blackeye:
Martinez wasn't ranked by the WBC when he fought Pavlik. It was an optional defense for Pavlik so he could've fought whoever he wanted and he chose Martinez.
You do realize the reigning champion is allowed to fight someone outside of their division, right? :ugh:
nothing to you but it will still make pac the only 8 div champion and ther's nothing you can do about it......he's got a tough fight ahead of him tho!
So if two bums fought for a vacant world title, that automatically makes the winner a true world champion? I don't think so. And the same goes with this fight.
He should have fought K9 then he could legitimately win a paper title against a defending champion.
He would've received criticism, if he fought Bundrage, yes, but in the end:
beating a reigning champion who won the title fairly > beating a tomato can for a title neither of them deserve to fight for.
Margarito was the champion when he fought Shane Mosley. That alone proves that he was championship material.
On an unrelated note, has anyone else noticed as November 13 approaches the Flomos are getting angrier every day? :eek:
Margarito with bricks in his wraps may have been championship material, but without them he's a tomato and nothing more, as we all saw in the Mosley fight.
It's the same fuking belt Floyd won at 154 and he wasn't ranked in the top 10 either just to remind everyone. Im not saying this is the legitimate 154 championship because it fuking isn't but when you are the #1 fuking fighter in the world according to every major news source in the world is it really that hard to phathom being ranked number 1 by one organization or another even if you move up in weight?
Seriously guys I know the PFP rankings are not official but you would atleast think they would count for something. I never thought that I would see the day that fans would complain because the highest ranked fighter in the world doesn't have to enter a new division and start with b- fighters so he can move up the rankings.
Floyd won it fair and square because he beat the current champ at the time, which was De La Hoya.
If it was a vacant title and he fought for it against a tomato can, then you can criticize him.
De la Hoya was not the current champ he was a titlist which is the same thing pac will be if he wins. And what exactly the diffrence you act like there are a bunch of more qualified fighters in the top 10 wankings of the WBC well lest see who? Mosely is #5 but then again we would have every Flomo talking about how Pac only fights guys coming off a loss. Canelo is #2 yeah he's still a prospect. Angulo? That would be nice but hes no better than Margarito and hes smaller than Margarito. Oh I know Ryan roads whos ranked 4th yeah untested brit LOL!!
Laughable!
De La Hoya wasn't the champ.. even though he beat the reigning champ before him? And that champ beat the champ before him, and so on? Well, then, your idea of a world champion is messed up.
Pac shouldn't be fighting for it, because it's a VACANT title. In order to fight for a vacant title, it has to be between the #1 and #2 contenders. Pac isn't anyone of those and Margarito shouldn't be. Unless beating Roberto Garcia was some amazing accomplishment?
dude , holyfield would get his ass beat down.
holyfield is one of the most overrated heavyweights of all time.
Beating Tyson, Bowe and arguably Lewis in the rematch means you're overrated?
Oh well. No point in discussing this with someone if they haven't even watched fights of the fighters they're talking about.
So you're assuming that Margarito had illegal wraps in past fights, which is speculation at best. Losing to future hall of famer Shane Mosley doesn't make you a tomato. I bet if Floyd were fighting Margarito, you'd think it was f*cking awesome.
Oh yeah, he's totally innocent. After all, why would he wanna use plaster against a prime, undefeated Cotto when he could use it against an over the hill and aging Mosley?
Mosley was clearly a faded fighter. Before the Margarito fight he struggled with Mayorga (and was arguably behind on the scorecards) before the stoppage. After the Margarito fight he was dominated by Mayweather and was arguably beaten by Sergio Mora. SERGIO MORA. All these fighters managed to compete with Mosley yet Margarito was used as a punching bag. :lol1:
I would give Mayweather the same amount of criticism that I'm giving Pacquiao.
Styles make fights. Mosley's speed and timing was just too much for him. That's why he was handpicked for Pacquiao. Margarito had a terrible camp for the Mosley fight so that is why his desperate trainer loaded the gloves. Unless you can prove otherwise of course.
It had a lot less to do with a faded Mosley being such an amazing fighter than it had to do with Margarito being powerless without his bricks.
So they made the weight and were ready to fight, but they decided that they needed to add a couple of bricks to his hand wraps to make the fight competitive? Wow, real championship material..
Hilarious and ironic how you tell me to "prove otherwise". Can you prove that Margarito didn't use plaster? No, you can't. I can prove that he was caught trying to use it, though. So take a guess as to which argument looks better.
I didn't know why Williams was asking for a 157-pound catchweight, but now it seems more clear.
It would be a real low blow if Martinez was weight-drained on fight night.