robertzimmerman

From what I saw In the Kovalev- Pascal fight, Jones would beat Kovalev rather easily. It would be target practice for Jones. I agree. The Pascal fight showed me that Roy would have found him easily.

He looked like Superman because he was an all time great and was very hard to beat in his prime....That Paz fight was far from his only dominant performance....Hopkins, McCallum, Hill, Toney, and Trinidad are all hall of famers and could barely win 3 rounds versus Jones Until he was past prime.....There were times he went fights without losing rounds. He earned that reputation by dominating world class opposition on a regular Basis vs world class competition Jones fought a lot of good fighters but people also look at how, he beat them....He is dominant like Golovkin was and did it versus waaaaaaay better opposition. That's why people wont bet against him in fantasy fights.....Even a past prime Jones showed a huge heart pulling out that Tarver fight and showed he could come from behind to win and he took some hellacious punches and didn't get dropped in that fight....dropping all that muscle to get back to 175 visibly drained him and affected him going forward....No 30+ old athlete is gonna perform the same dropping weight like that.....Look at guys like Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd, Emile Griffith, when they tried to move back down in weight.....Lalonde should've never fought leonard at 168 just like Dawson career has not been the same since losing to Ward dropping one weight class Check out this video of Roy....it pretty much shows his rise and fall Great post.

With the fat HBO contract in his hand he could pick and choose which is what he did. He really didn't. It's a common misconception. Big fights were hard to make for various reasons. And when they couldn't be made, he had mandatory obligations. And from 1999, after he'd unified the LHW division, he had mandatory obligations to fulfil from all three of the main organisations. Ricky Frazier, Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods etc, were all mandatories. Serious efforts were made to fight the following fighters: Frankie Liles Evander Holyfield Dariusz Michalczewski Bernard Hopkins

People are quick to talk about Jones chin but lack to state the facts that Kovalev has got hurt by wide swinging Pascal and dropped by much lesser opposition in Caparello. Jones at 175 before the move up to 200+ was showing such dominate performances many believed he was unstoppable at 175. A Prime 175 Jones Jr, finds wholes in Kovalevs offense (which in my view can often be one dimensional). Personally I'd go with Jones by TKO/KO mid to late rounds. Unfourtanitly Kovalev has yet to be in with Prime Elite opposition, after Stevenson (who isn't much better) or Ward (who posses a stylistic problem) I feel more fans will get a better assessment of what Kovalev's future as a ATG maybe. Till then, it would be idiotic to think a mans who's best win is against a 50 year old ATG (although still great at what he did, his age finally showed). I feel the same with any current Boxer outside of the current greats who are soon to leave. Mayweather,Pacquiao, Klitchko, Hopkins, Jones, ect.... Great post.

Great post. I'm impressed. Well done. Thanks mate.

Who are you thinking about? Nunn? Liles? Michalszhewski? Oh wait. Malinga Tate Toney Lucas Griffin Hill Johnson Hall Gonzalez Woods Ruiz All those guys were better than Paz, and Roy beat them with absolute ease. Again, he never had the opportunity to look great against Liles and Michalczewski, because they wouldn't fight him.

Roy also had a worse chin. There was a reason to Roy's selection of opponents. Surely Kovalev could knock out Roy let alone hurt him. The question is whether he would catch him. Of course Kovalev has the power needed to have knocked Roy out. But like you've mentioned, it's not a given that he could have found him. Roy being selective is a complete myth.

exactly! Green K sent. We are like the two on this thread, who aren't Fanboys. Floyd and Roy are boxing gods to these idiots. What was SRL then? Whitaker? Know what I'm saying? Smh. This site is all about HYPE, just like Roy's fighting style was. I am positive he gets KO'ed! He couldn't take a punch. "F" his speed. What SK did to Pascal, he would do to Roy. And I think Pascal was on the juice when they fought. He was faster, more explosive, and had more power than normal. It didn't matter though, he got his ass beat. LoL. Roy TRAINS him!!!!!!!! SK would do the same to Roy! Why is Pascal getting a rematch anyways?? So he can roid up again and hope for a miracle? Smh. SK is going to KO his ass AGAIN!!!!! Yet another clueless post. How can you talk about Roy being hyped, when as yet, Kovalev has hardly done anything? What do you mean "f*ck his speed?" It would have been a nightmare for Kovalev. Why do keep making references to Jean Pascal?? Jean Pascal literally doesn't possess even half of Roy's attributes. Kovalev's win over him means nothing. It's completely irrelevant. But if you want to make references to him, the question you should be asking yourself, is: If Pascal could repeatedly land flush on Kovalev, then would Roy have been able to do? Roy doesn't train Pascal. He just very briefly entered his camp as an advisor, that's all. I too would like to know why Kovalev's rematching Pascal. It's absolutely pointless. Now why don't you compose yourself and come back and have a logical debate?

a lot of posters on this site refuse to do their research on a topic or fighter but have an opinion What I've noticed is, most the people on this forum don't know anybody who didn't fight this decade and Roy was at his best in the 90s and it was over by 03-04 Any body with a brain who witnessed his prime live, like we did, would know know whats up I agree entirely.

that is what i envision after a nip and tuck first round Yeah. I never thought Roy could ruin his legacy, but I guess he has done, because a lot of these guys are looking at how devastating Kov is, as well as who's destroyed Roy over the last 10 years. I think a lot of these guys either never saw Roy's prime, or they've forgotten just what a phenom he was in the 90's.

He sure was! He never tested positive though. When he fought Ruiz at Heavyweight, he was roided. How do I know? Look at what happened to him just one fight after against Tarver. His body completely changed in appearance and still looks weird to this day. And SK doesn't need more time. HE would KO Roy's ass. Roy cannot and could not ever take a punch. SK would hit him clean. What don't these guys understand about that? Roy's speed/reflexes would not be enough to beat SK. HE would have to take punishment. Period. So you think Roy was on steroids, because he lost to Tarver afterwards? Why don't you do some research before you post?

Ruiz WAS a BUM. FACT. Why do you think Roy fought him? Because he was a killer? Hahaha!!! Learn your boxing kid. You sound like one of those posters who think Roy was an ATG or God. He was neither and wasn't tough enough to beat SK. You so called fans seem to forget to mention things like that. I don't care who you are, you WILL take punishment from SK. He's that smart. Roy's speed would not be enough and you know that. His chin gets checked. Are you trolling? If only you could see the irony in you stating that other posters should learn boxing. Roy is a proven ATG. As yet, Kov hasn't done much and he's got lots of question marks surrounding him. Yet you're telling us that Roy wouldn't have had a chance? Okay.

It was just an observation I made. Jones has a fine resume, but some of his fans make Jones out to be something that is out of this world. Another observation is that Jones does great in fantasyfights. Its likely based on him looking like Superman against Paz etc. Did he not look just as good, against guys who were better than Paz?

Kovalev hasn't fought enough yet for these guys to see what we see. Hopefully this year goes well for Kov, him beating Pascal, Stevenson, and Ward all in 12 months... will prove what a beast he is I can see what you can see. But the reality is: his best win was against a 50 year old Bernard Hopkins, and Jean Pascal (who literally wasn't even half as good as Roy was) repeatedly tagged him with ease throughout their fight. There's no way he should be favoured over a prime version of Roy at this stage. But like you say, let's wait and see what happens. It's going to be very interesting.

I wish Roy would've agreed to fight Graciano Rocchigiani and Dariusz Michalzewski - those fights in his prime would've went a long way to answering this question. Even Eubank, Benn, or Mcclellan. Through his prime Roy didn't face any serious power punchers, probably until Tarver. I think Kovalev could've got to Roy late. I'll feel better about that it we get to see Kovalev/Ward and Kovalev gets Ward out. I don't think Roch would have done anything for his resume. Dariusz was the big one. Although I don't think he was anything really special, and not fighting Roy actually enhanced his profile. A fight with Benn would have been great. A fight with Gerald would also have been great. Roy missed some great opponents. But some of them weren't viable. Eubank openly admitted that he was only interested in defending his belt against mandatories.

Roy was "elusive"??? No he wasn't. Roy was a product of good match making. What we never saw in his prime, is that he couldn't take a punch. An A Level fighter would crack him. SK would KO him. He's too smart for Roy. He wasn't elusive? Ha! Okay. He barely lost rounds in his prime. Kov's too smart? Kov seems easy enough to hit to me. Bump the thread in a few years time.

The problem is, Kovalev would walk through Roys punches like you and I would walk through a doorway. Really? Ha! He's not a T-1000. He was layed out as an amateur. He was dropped by Darnell Boone. He was dropped by Blake Caparello. Roy had genuine one punch knockout power in either hand. And again, along with his power, he had blinding speed and a unique variation of shots. You are massively overrating Kovalev if you don't believe that Roy would have been incredibly dangerous for him.

he'd hit some fighters....end up behind them and hit them again his footwork and speed was immaculate Kov aint no joke but he doesn't beat a prime Jones. He is very basic, neat fighter and Jones was very unorthodox.......Pascal is the no name brand, low shelf version of Jones and Kov had a tough fight with him. Old cagey Hopkins made the distance, Jones wasn't the finisher at 175 that he was at 160 and 168 so after he figured Kov out, he'd cruise to a UD.....a knockdown or too considering Jones hit people with punches they didn't see coming and Kov doesn't have great upperbody or head movement Great post! Don't forget that Roy took out Griffin and Hill with single shots, and they both weighed 180 plus on fight night, with Hill nearing 190 as their fight was a 177 catch-weight. Also, Roy was the only guy to ever knock out Hill in 58 fights. Once again, if Pascal could land 4/5 overhand rights that were telegraphed with no leverage, then a 25 year old version of Roy would have thought it was Christmas in there.

I think people are overlooking Kovalev. It would have been an extremely dangerous fight for Roy. I've no doubt about that. But I think he's very hittable, and Roy would have to be favoured big at this point.

Why should I do that, when the fighters I listed were better than a lot of the guys he beat. At 147 his best opponent was a near prime Kid Gavilan who was not at his best until 1950-153 Jake Lamotta fought Holman Williams and Lloyd Marshall though, why couldn't he? Robinson fought more catchweights as champion than he defended the title at 147 Charley Burley was a top ten ranked welterweight and middleweight throughout the early 40's til retirement around 1950....even fought lightheavyweights and beat a heavyweight with a 50+ pound weight advantage. these guys were better than everyone he at 147-160....At 160 SRR wasn't at his best and lost to guys he would have beat in his prime like Basilio and Turpin the first time but none I'd take Burley over those guys...he was an all around better fighter It's honestly a pleasure reading your posts. EVERY fighter has holes in their resumes. You can't fight everyone. Also, it's unfair to automatically assume that if a champ doesn't fight someone, it's because he ducked them. That's often not the case, as most people forget that this wonderful sport is also a ruthless business.

No disrespect to Roy, but Kovalev has a granite chin. There is no evidence to support your opinion.

You do realize Kovalev wasn't very focused for the Pascal fight right? He had a newborn baby and wasn't prepared for this fight like his other fights. He still proved everyone he has a chin(taking Pascal's shots) and he knocked down Pascal(Pascal was never knocked down in his career before Kovalev). You'll see for yourself when they rematch 50 year old hopkins who's a freak of a nature and takes spectacular care of himself? might be 50, but in reality he is as healthy as a 38 year old. Ok, Hopkins was old, but we've never seen anyone make Hopkins look like a joke for 12 ****ing rounds... 12, not a single round hopkins won lmao Come on, I'm not buying that. Pascal threw 4-5 overhand rights that were wild with little technique, and they all landed. What about when he was dropped by Caparello? Roy wouldn't have found it hard to tag him. Hopkins is unique. But you simply can't compare a 50 year old Hopkins to a 25 year old version of Roy. Kovalev had zero respect for Hopkins's offense. But Roy was much faster, harder to hit, and he possessed a great variety of shots that included genuine one punch knockout power in each hand. It would have been a completely different challenge. With regards to a Pascal rematch, who wants to see that? Not me. What would be the point?

Hence why I specifically did not use the phrase 'duck'. There's always a circumstance. Sometimes circumstances reveals a trend though. I can show you links that will show Roy in a very different light.

He was KO'ed by uzbek boxer in 2008 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2pBTdbXOo I've not seen that before. Thanks a lot.

Many pros were knocked out in the amateurs. Caparello didn't drop him, rewatch that.. his lead foot stepped on Kov's lead foot. Many pro's were knocked out as amateurs. But on this thread, someone has posted a video of Kovalev being layed out flat. I'll have to watch the Caparello fight again. Boone also dropped him. The point is, there is no evidence that Kovalev's chin is granite, and if the likes of Jean Pascal could repeatedly catch him with telegraphed shots, then he'd have been in serious trouble against Roy.

Pascal is levels below a prime Roy Jones...slower, not as good a natural athlete, less power and doesn't throw fluid combos like Jones nor does he vary his punch speed or place his shots as well as jones.....He wasn't as elusive as Jones either.....Prime Jones most likely would have stopped Pascal who gasses after mid fight and is a sucker for the right hand. KOV is not better than Virgil Hill at 175 who was a mainstay there for over a decade and went on to win a cruiserweight title after he lost to Jones.....Only lost to Hall of famers at the weight.....Jones is definitely getting in, I think Hearns is in now, and Dariusz Michalcewski may get in one day Kov has fought one hall of famer his entire career, who was 50 years old at that Kov would get picked apart by Jones I laughed out loud when he started comparing Roy to Jean. Ha! He's clueless.

Great post! Thanks for sharing. No problem. Roy gets a lot of unjust criticism.

He's eaten solid shots from time to time and remained seemingly untouched. I don't think Roy would do anything but piss Kovalev off and unleash a fury that he would soon regret. He's eaten solid shots, but as yet, I've seen no evidence it's granite. Pascal caught him 4/5 times, but they were wild swings with no leverage. If we had a time machine and the fight was made at the weekend, Roy would have to be the favourite. Roy had one punch knockout power in either hand, coupled with blinding speed and incredible variation. (Lead hooks and uppercuts, doubled and tripled from all angles)

Yes, I do. I purposely mentioned the ducking aspect because Mike wasn't a Light heavyweight. He was fat and OLD. Why do you think Roy fought him, man? I know they fought but the fight was irrelevant because of WHEN they fought. Prime MM beats Roy Jones. In my opinion, Mike was a genius in his prime. He could well have a beaten a young version of Roy at JMW/MW. But Roy didn't duck him earlier. A fight was never viable. Roy was wrapped in cotton wool by his father and he missed out on a lot of potentially great fights. Roy's career didn't take off until he split from his father and he signed with HBO in 92. You can't simply say that Roy ducked the guys who he didn't fight. You have to take into account what the circumstances were at the time. Yes, Roy didn't want to fight Nunn when he was his mandatory at LHW. But before you cry 'duck' you need to look into why. Roy respected Nunn, and he didn't want to fight him for the money what was on offer. But after Roy relinquished his title, he pursued a fight with Evander Holyfield. Along with his advisor at the time Greg Fritz, he went to Atlanta to meet Evander and his attorney Jim Thomas. Jim Thomas has given a first hand account of what happened in his book, titled - The Holyfield Way. Roy asked if there was any chance of a fight, but Evander respectfully declined the offer, because he thought he was in a no win situation at the time. At which point Roy turned his attentions to a Buster Douglas fight that would have been worth around $6m dollars, whereas a Nunn fight would have been worth around $1.8m. The Douglas fight was set, only for Roy's father to step in at the last moment to talk him out of it. It was the first time they'd spoke to each other properly for around 6 years. So Roy then fought Hill at a catchweight for $3m. Personally, I believe that Roy would have fought Nunn under different circumstances. In 1996, Roy tried to fight Frankie Liles who'd beaten Nunn, and who'd also beaten him in the amateurs. But Roy fought other good-great southpaws such as: Reggie Johnson, Eric Harding, Antinio Tarver and Joe Calzaghe. And I believe that fighting Tarver at 35 after dropping back from HW, as well as fighting Joe at almost 40, had to have been bigger challenges than fighting a faded Nunn when he was 28.

good fight but i think roy pays for his lack of fundamentals and gets caught kovalev is not someone you could play games with or psych out Roy could have gotten caught. But who had the more variation? Who was faster? Who was harder to hit? Why couldn't Roy have psyched him out? It's not beyond the realms of possibility. There's no telling how Kov would have reacted had Roy repeatedly tagged him with power shots. And I believe that Roy could have done that. Kov seems easy enough to hit to me. It could well have made him hesitant. Roy's speed, skills and power were extraordinary. I think it's possible that Roy could have backed him up and stopped him from him pouring forward.