Floyd will never give up 4" s in reach and height which is why I give Pac a lot of credit for fighting Oscar and Margarito even at a catch weight. My 91 year old uncle was calling Floyd a ducker back in 99 and 2000 cause he ducked Freitas and Casamayor when they were all superfeatherweight champions. I really thought Floyd would fight Williams in 2007 after he beat Oscar but instead he made Hatton come up to Welterweight.
Floyd 72" reach ; Cotto 67; Ortiz 70; Marquez 67; Mosely 71;Baldimre 68; Corrales 70: Give Floyd credit for Oscar with a 73" reach but then Oscar had been out of the ring for a year. Floyd didn't avoid Margo and Williams because of weight. It was their height/reach and volume punching styles that had Floyd worried It's boxing not wrestling! If weight alone could win fights Butterbean would be the heavyweight champ.
Have been a boxing fan since early 60's FYI. Floyd ,Freitas, and Casamayor were all champions in 99,2000,2001,etc and I don't know any serious boxing fan who did not want to see Floyd and Casamayor fight. Floyd should have fought Williams after Oscar fight but he fought Hatton then retired instead of fighting Margo or Williams.
I watched the fight like 6 + times and had Pac Man winning every single time.
I just don't see how Marquez won that. Just want to see how many people think Pac won or Marquez without being biased. If that's even possible. Don't post much so just want to see whats you guys opinions on this great fight between the 2.
Without being biased, and don't give me that well all these guys in the press row scored it for Marquez. I want your honest opinion on who you guys thought won. Only for people who watched the entire fight and not influence by biased decision. This is how I scored it
Round 1 Pac 10-9
Round 2 Marquez 10-9
Round 3 Pac 10-8 ( could have been 10-7 when Marquez held himself up before the round ended )
Round 4 Pac 10-9
Round 5 Marquez 10-9
Round 6 Marquez 10-9
Round 7 Pac 10-9
Round 8 Marquez 10-9
Round 9 Pac 10-9 very close ( but pac landed a good left hand that opened a bigger cut on Marquez left eye. Landed almost the same amount with pac landing a 1 more punch but doing more damage)
Round 10 Pac 10-9
Round 11 JMM 10-9 Very close round. Pac did the most damaging punches with his left hand. Could have gone either way.
Round 12 Jmm 10-9
6 round to 6 with the knockdown being the difference.
I got Pac winning by 1 point do to the knockdown.
On another note, I really wished that Floyd would have fought someone like Berto or Collazo as a tune up so Pac and JMM could finish there unfinished business at 140.
I have watched the fight several times and once all the way through in slow motion. I had
Pac winning.If u watch it in slow-mo Pac blocks alot of punches as Emanual Steward points out during the fight.
Is Pac getting his choice of gloves? Last time Pac had to wear pillows he lost to Morales. I would be surprised if Floyd agrees since he wouldn't fight a slow Maidana. If Pac has too wear pillows this fight ain't worth buying. Just like Maidana Pacs greatest chance to win is to score a couple knock downs or a KO.
Floyd an all time great lol. Floyd had a 5"reach and 2" height advantage and looked like he had at least 10lbs on Pac. A bigger ATG counter puncher and he only landed 30% of his punches. No wonder Holyfield thought Floyd lost. I truly thought that neither guy looked good and the fight was closer than the scores. Glad I didn't have to pay the $100. I see now why Floyd didn't want any part of Sergio Martinez, made Maidana wear pillows and drained an already slow Canelo. Can't really give him credit for Hatton or JMM either since neither should have been fighting at 147. Oscar had only fought twice in 30 months b4 their fight. Too bad Floyd retired when Margo and Paul Williams were at the top. Coincidence ! I think not. Great light weight and HOF fighter but really not an ATG.
50 tells Floyd he is setting up a fight with Pac. Floyd still does not want to fight Pac so they split. Arum is ready for the nursing home, so makes sense for 2 small promotional companies to join forces . End of story!
Great ,Floyd don't like catch weights and just fought at 154 which Martinez has no trouble making so that's the logical fight for both of them . If Pac can give up 5" in height and reach to fight Margarito I see no reason why Floyd who is bigger than Pac can't fight Martinez. Jr needs to move up to 168 which would be interesting. You have to admit he can take a punch and has a lot of heart!
CompuBox? Why did all the Floyd fans say JMM beat Pac in their 3rd fight when Pac clearly out landed him according to compubox. Compubox is a joke and always has been. Not sure if Holyfield was correct saying Pac won but saw Floyd missing a lot and was surprised by the scores. For having a height,reach and weight advantage I thought Floyd looked average.
This fight just proved that catch weights are good. Dawson looked like a zombie so why does Ward deserve to be a top p4p fighter. Sorry I don't see the supermiddleweight division as having a lot of talent Froch was getting schooled by Taylor until Taylor got caught. LH division is even worse since you had an old Bhop ,Tarver and Jones at the top. Ward has pretty much cleaned out the SMW division , which is why he should have gone up to 175 and tried for Dawson's title.Would have been a better fight and left no doubt to Ward's skills.
Floyd will retire b4 he fights Martinez. Floyd will never fight anyone with a longer reach that throws punches in bunches, " Margarito and Williams" or someone like Martinez who has the reach and foot speed. Floyd is 5'8'' with a 72" reach. Now Check Out the height and reach for Hatton and Cotto and JMM. 5'7" and 67" reach. Martinez is 5'10" with a 75" reach; only 3" longer than Floyd! Time for Floyd to take the ATG test!
Styles make fights so Pac and JMM 4 would be the same. Floyd needs to stop ducking and fight Pac or SM. Catchweights ? When has Floyd or JMM ever given up 4" in height and 5" in reach ? Never ,that's why Floyd retired instead of stepping up to fight Margo and Paul Williams. Would rather see JMM fight an old Morales or Kahn. JMM has problems with pure boxers like Chris John.
Morales beat Pac in the 1st fight because Pac was forced to wear pillows! Why do Floyd fans always forget to mention that fact and the fact when Pac was stopped with a body shot years ago he was weight drained and had too move up in weight.
John doesn't get credit since he no longer fights in the U.S. Can't blame him since he was robbed in the 1st Juarez fight. John gave Rocky a boxing lesson the same as he did Marquez. Ever wonder why JMM never asked for a rematch? In fact I give John more credit than Floyd for beating JMM since John didn't cheat by coming in over weight. Yordan made Guerrero quit in front of his hometown fans. Making fun of these 2 fighters only shows how stupid and biased some boxing fans are.
I have to laugh when reading comments on these websites. I see a lot of leg hangers who know little about boxing. Why did Pac fight Bradley in his last fight? Because Bradley has no power. Pac hasn't been the same since Cotto and Margo. Pac has taken a lot of punishment his whole career but those 2 fights against bigger guys were too much which is why Pac would not fight over 150 again. I like JMM but how would he have done against Cotto or Margo? Pac's style is made for JMM just like JMM's style was made for a bigger, 72 inch reach, Floyd. I can't believe Floyd fans brag on his fight with JMM . IMO Floyd lost to Castillo which is why he retired instead of fighting Margo or Williams. Floyd can't deal with volume punchers who have a reach advantage . Anyway I hope JMM and Pac both retire. They have nothing else to prove and both have given us a lot of exciting fights.
Floyd will never fight Pac ,just like he avoided Casamayor,Freites, Margo and Paul Williams. Would like to see JMM fight Kahn or even an old Morales. He seems to avoid Chris John style fighters. Pac wants catchweights and Floyd wants old overweights. No doubt Martinez should be # 1.
Floyd is such a small ww that he couldn't make the cw for JMM and he needed an IV b4 the Pac fight. Don't blame Floyd for ducking triple G cause his age but no excuse for ducking PW and Margo who were ww and had the styles and height and reach to give him serious problems.
Ward beats Martinez because of his size: Martinez beats Floyd and Pac also since he is bigger. Pac learned his lesson not to fight over 150 after Margarito. No way Floyd will test his chin against Martinez. At 37 why should Martinez move up to fight a younger,bigger and evenly skilled fighter? Don't see any of these fights happening.
Floyd can fight at 140? He sure didn't fight Marquez at 140. Floyd is 5'8" and has a 72" reach. If Pac with a 67" reach can fight Margarito ,I see no reason why Floyd would not want this fight at 154. Martinez is #2 or 3 P4P, not with Arum, will fight for less $, and will take a drug test.
I hope Pac does retire; not because of the knockout, but the knockdown in rnd 3. The old Pac would never get caught with a punch like that. Pac will always be better than Floyd or JMM because at 5'6",67" reach , 144 lbs he destroyed Margo 150 lbs, 5'11" , 73" reach. We all know Floyd retired rather than face Margo at 147! Was Margo still dangerous after Mosely? I would have to say yes since Cotto ran for the entire fight. Pac really had no business fighting at 147 let alone 150. Why hasn't JMM ever fought any legit 147 pounders like Cotto,Mosely,etc. ? JMM learned his lesson after fighting Floyd who had a 5" reach advantage and came in over the agreed weight limit. How can Floyd fans brag about that fight?; are they that stupid about the sport of boxing? Floyd is 5'8" with a 72" reach and he still ducked Margo, Paul Williams, and now Martinez. At least Pac and JMM are true ATG even though they have both lost and I for one would like to see them both retire. They have nothing left to prove.As for Floyd I have him ranked just below Chris John and his zero.
Well, we must not forget the facts. Morales did actually beat pacquiao, pretty handily. It wasn't until Morales was on a down slope in his career and that he couldn't make the weight anymore, that's when Pac was able to beat him. De La Hoya was a corpse and Margs & Algerie did absolutely nothing to get in the ring with Manny. He fought taller opponents, but, they just weren't any good.
Facts? The fact is in the 1st fight Pac was forced to wear pillows.
Baldomir had lost 9 fights b4 Floyd ,so he was the best WW ? Floyd ducked Margo turning down 8mil and retired instead of fighting him or Paul Williams. At lower weights you had Casamayor undefeated slick boxer instead of straight ahead mexicans who Floyd picked. Saying ur a champ at jr middleweight after beating a blown up Oscar and Cotto? Is Floyd going to fight Trout or Martinez? lol
he lost to morrales the 1st fight and got dominated and somehow someway fought him again and could take his punches better and was way more ferocious offensively(im a believer that pacquaio was JUICING)
i dont think he won ANY of the 4 fights he had with marques, de la hoya was weight drained and old, mosley was old and coming off of a loss floyd was 38 YEARS old nothing impressive about pacquiaos resume whatsoever
Pac lost his 1st fight with Moralles because he had too wear pillows. That is why he got rid of his promoter! How can a so called boxing fan not know the facts. Morallas was scared to fight Pac just like Floyd was scared to fight Madaina ;
Well, why didn't Floyd fight Margo or Paul Williams since fighters that throw a lot of punches don't bother him? Oh that's right they have a height and reach advantage. And yes they were welterweights. Even though Pac is short in height and reach I think he will give Floyd problems due to his footwork. As long as Pac can keep the energy up and keep moving it will be a close fight . If he slows down he will be in trouble.