I can tell you’re young and naive can you even name the 7 rounds canelo supposably won boy? Unlike you, real boxing fans knew what they were watching 8-4 ggg first fight 7-5 second fight and I can name the rounds.
By your logic your crazy simple as that!
Canelo won 1-3 and 10-12 without question in first fight! Draw but I could give him a round in between if wanted because GGG didn't have effective aggression!
2nd fight was close only because Canelo gave them exactly what they wanted and bullied the bully!!
It's over it's done Canelo beat GGG! That's a fact and it's on official documents!!
I just checked the facts and reports.
You should do the same ... so can avoid making a fool out of yourself by starting more retarded fanboy threads like this one.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/boxing/judges-referee-chosen-for-canelo-golovkin-rematch/
Here's a quick breakdown of that report for the benefit of less intelligent members - like you - who have trouble processing information:
NSAC picked the judges and both sides approved them.
Loeffler objected to NSAC picking Tony Weeks as referee and Gomez supported his objection so NSAC replaced Weeks with Benjy Esteves.
Ok with your fake news!!
Tom didn't object GGG's team did and they got the go ahead to approve the judges and NSAC allowed them to say yes or nah on the judges as did Oscar to get the fight done because the controversy from the failed drug test.
And read azzhole with what I said!! Fanboy. Your a douche!
Fact remains GGG got to approve the judges because of the 1st fights judge Byrd and the Failed drug test from Canelo.
Just because you pulled one article doesn't tell you the whole story as it was talked about before the fight during the fight and after.
I'm a fan of BOXING!! Let that sink in please! Just tired of all the dumb ass excuses you GGGtards keep throwing out there. I'm just as much a GGG fan but GGG did not win. Either fight for that matter.
Retarded fanboy! My first thread ever and it just shows a point. Clearly your not intelligent enough to understand that.
Both sides approved the judges, you fckn stupid prick.
That's what happens before every world title fight .. both sides are asked to approve or object to the judges and ref proposed by the sanctioning commission. You call yourself a boxing fan and you don't even know that?
So I'm a fuking stupid prick because I don't agree with your OPINION!!
Fact remains that GGG had the overall say on judges because the issues I stated! But that is not close to the point I was trying to make.
My whole point is #snowflakes like yourself are on here talking all kinds of mad shiz because your guy lost.
Get over it and grow up.
I see your a keyboard warrior. Look how long I've been a member and look how many post and replies I've made.
I'm not on here bashing or talking **** to everyone like yourself.
Grow up and show a little respect.
Your probably not smart enough to know what respect is even so grab a dictionary and look it up!!😉
Have a great day keyboard warrior!!
Canelo clearly lost their first fight which is the reason we got a second one. Fans and experts alike shared the same sentiment. The second was closer but GGG edged it out. Unfortunately the fact that GGG is the considered the B side compared to Canelo's larger fame and A side status, and the fact that Vegas has been notorious for leaning towards the A side in close fighters, it was apparent that Golovkin would not get the nod if he didn't secure a knockout or clear victory. I admit and agree that Canelo is a great fighter, but let's not kid ourselves he lost twice.
LMAO butt hurt!! GGG didn't win **** the facts not opinions state that fact!!!! LMAO again! Funny.
Yes if your one sided you see it your way but watching for years I've grown with the sport and actually truly to Floyd for that fact as he played defense so much and was a bore but taught you the right way to score. Maybe watch some Floyd fights. 😉
You want to sit down in a video room with me? I can’t point out every other canelo punch on a forum fool
😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂 Dude your really really a sore loser! Show us the facts. And nobody needs to sit and hold your hand to do it! McDonald's just showed you what else do you need to see. Ahh shot I'm sorry you must need a new prescription for glasses. Get them then let us know so you can see correctly.
He already lost twice vs old man Golovkin but he knows them judges will always give him the nod over the senior and he’s won 3 other fights he should of lost so he’s getting comfortable with another robbery fight.
But you got charlo as the #1 contender to the WBC and canelo runs up to fight a jobber smw and sign with dazn :lol1:
That’s all good then you got Andrade and Saunders for him to possibly fight there but he doesn’t want either apparently and with all that said where does that put him at mw he’s not even top 5 arguably cause I’m sure Danny Jacobs would easily beat him with the size advantage.
Let’s say he decides to duck the hottest division in boxing for smw is he fighting mangulia then? Probably not
I can clearly see your butt hurt! I've already made a post which you fail to realize common sense! Canelo didn't lose shi!! Fact! It's documented! GGG did lose, documented!
Canelo is better at this point in time. I'm a fan of both to those who don't know but call a fight how I see it!
Canelo will clean out the 160lb division no questions asked!
The only thing is then you will say he still has to fight Mike Tyson in his prime to accomplish anything!! That is the facts!
WBC hasn't ordered a defence. So how can he be ducking? The winner of Charlo-Golovkin supposed to be his WBC mandatory.
Well said! To many Dumbo's on this board.
Lol I want all the SMOKE (did i use this phrase correctly?)
How in the **** did GGG have the edge in rounds 5-9 ???? Round 5 could've gone either way to me, that was a true toss up round. But in no way did GGG win rounds 6 or 8 especially. He was killing GGG to the body in the 6th and he walked down GGG treating him like a punching bag in the 8th.
Also in what universe did GGG dominate round 9?? Just look at these highlights im about to bless you with from rounds 6-9. Also i asked for the "undeniable" rounds yet you are already failing by saying he might've "edged" out some of these rounds so lmfao.
It's time to show and prove baby. Your words don't mean anything if you can't back it up. i challenge you to find GGG highlights that can compare to canelo's:
Awesome comeback!! I love it! These people are clearly clueless but it's ok.
I'm a fan of both but just be honest.
Andre Ward said it to. He said there was only one Mexican in the ring that night and it was not GGG.
Canelo just out classed GGG at his own game. I don't see how anybody could not be impressed with that fight!
Every fight and not just canelo I have to explain to you glove blocks do not count as punches smh you a slow one
You must be thinking about all the gloves GGG was hitting.. LMFAO!!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣😂
Name the undeniable rounds pssy.
I assume your talking to Dumbo? But if you want me to break each fight down I will be glad if you will actually read it.
Where did this stupid idea that GGG picked the judges come from?
Dude really. Where have you been! GGG got to pick judges because Byrd's ****ty judging in the first one. GGG approved all the judges and exspecially the one judge that gave him the first fight but not the 2nd. I'm sorry you have a short memory but check the facts and reports leading up to the fight. GGG had his pick on judges
I can tell you’re young and naive can you even name the 7 rounds canelo supposably won boy? Unlike you, real boxing fans knew what they were watching 8-4 ggg first fight 7-5 second fight and I can name the rounds.
I got your boy swinging between my legs!! Hoe azz!! LMAO!! I'm 40 been a boxer myself raised as a fighter and grew up watching Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis Klitschko's Oscar, Tysue or whatever his name was. Watched Floyd get beat pretty bad by castllio in first fight! I watched just about any and every PPV fight sense the 1988!!
So tell me bitc- your age acting all dumb and shi-!! Grow up!
I watched Tito get beat by Oscar and Oscar get robbed live!
I have watched all fights sense time stated that meant a damn?!
Sugar Shane 2 vs Oscar was another robbery! That's a robbery!! Oscar out landed a juiced Mosley by 120+ punches as champion and lost!! Explain that. Yet I'm simply making a point. Quit being so but hurt!! It's done it's over and Canelo won fair and square!
Yet he got busted for PED's and clearly lost some size in the rematch...
Keep believing he was clean for the first fight thou your entitled to that opinion.
I believe and the drug test show he was clean for both!! LMAO!
When he tested positive for clenbuterol he was not in camp!
He has never tested positive for a fight or camp but is and has been in year round testing sense 2011.
For those saying he is smaller for the second fight??!!! Your clueless to what you are talking about.
Clenbuterol is a weight CUTTING agent not a mass producing PED! At least learn about the drug your claiming him to be cheating on.
So if he was taking clenbuterol he would be skinnier not thicker!! Learn before you speak. So the 1st fight Canelo was clean as drug test process that. For the 2nd fight test process he was clean then to. Canelo's first fight at 160 was against GGG. So he learned which way he needed his body to be for the 2nd fight. Had nothing in the world to do with PEDs. He didn't have great stamina for the first fight so he chose not to put to much muscle on for the 2nd. That is the only reason he was lighter.
Canelo walks around at 180-185lbs. He is not small never has been. Think he was gaining close to 20lbs as a 154lber between weigh-in and fight night.
He dropped VADA when he had to get to under 154 for Smith. Now he's calling out Floyd and saying he has to fight at 160 because he can't cut weight.
He did not drop VADA till he tested positive for clenbuterol. He never stopped before that.
He is calling Floyd out at 160 because he does have issues trying to make 154 and he is 160 pound champion holding major belts and is the person to beat at 160.
Floyd got him to agree to a 2lb under catch-weight for the fight at 154-152. Canelo said he would never drain himself again for a fight and why would he? He is the A side now and what is there to gain for Canelo dropping to 154? Zero! But if Floyd goes up to challenge Canelo for the middle weight championship that's another weight class Floyd can put on his record but will not because he knows Canelo is a much better fighter today and biggest reason in my opinion is that very loss to Floyd changed Canelo's outlook and made him a much better fighter.
Canelo will meet him at 157-160 but he will not drop to low to give Floyd the advantages he had in the first fight and to fight for the belts they have to fight at at least 155 or above.
Floyd will not fight Canelo for one reason. Canelo will beat him today and he knows that much.
You said Canelo won both fights but then quote the judges as proof. They gave Canelo a draw in the first fight in which he lost by 4 rounds.
You just said he lost by four round yet you state the judges gave him a draw!! LMAO.
I said Canelo didn't lose any fight with GGG and GGG didn't win any fight with Canelo.
I said in my opinion Canelo beat him twice and that some other experts said he won the first fight as well. Being the Mayweathers saying g Canelo won among others.
I said for fact though Canelo didn't lose either!!
That's a huge stretch man.. can you touch the clouds too? nobody got beat "pretty bad" in that fight.
Castillo beat Floyd 8 rounds to 4. That's a pretty good beating especially on Floyd. Floyd truly never lost a fight that I watched besides that one. Floyd said he had a hand injury which he was famous for and when they fought a 2nd time Floyd smoked him but Castillo out landed Floyd 2-1 in the First fight and even the HBO Broadcast were saying Floyd got beat.
The closet fight for Floyd sense that fight was Oscar.
Zab put up a decent fight but clearly lost 2nd half. Cotto busted Floyd up but clearly lost. Other then Castillo besides getting robbed he was the only one to beat Floyd.
So I don't think that's a stretch at all.
I agree but the problem is about race simple as that, it never use to be this bad but over the last few years certain fans have come along rooting for a fighter strictly because of race and they start bs like “oh is this guy the greatest ever” yet those same fools just started watching boxing a few years ago. Most of those type of fans are Loma, ggg, kova etc fans.
This place never use to be this bad but like I said it’s gotten pretty bad and it’s hard for you not to get drawn into it.
Well said!!
Seems like more and more idiots join the board.
Look at how many post I have sense I started in 2009!! I'm not here to bash people or talk ****. I'm not a groupie either.
Again I love boxing as a whole. I do like Canelo. He is one of my favorite current boxers but by no means am I being biased to his performance.
If they lose they lose, if they win they win. People need to be more opened minded.
Bashing someone because he beat your fighter or because you dislike him is not right and shows your maturity!
For those acting like 5 year olds Grow Up!!
I'm a big Canelo fan, but he was definitely cheating deliberately with the clen and he clearly lost both fights against GGG.
And yeah .. even tho I'm such a big Canelo fan, I still think him fighting Fielding at 168 is a disgraceful cherry pick. :rofl:
Dude if you were a Canelo fan you wouldn't say half the shiz your saying now. That's about as big as lie as the lie saying GGG won!
Cherry pick a voluntary fight against another champion in a higher weight class? I would think that's anything but a cherry pick.
And the clenbuterol statement is old already. Canelo has never entered camp on any PEDs ever. He is in and has been in year round testing sense 2011. He was not in training camp if he did take it purposely which he did not.
He has never been dirty during a camp or fight so cheating even if the test showed a trace amount really means nothing. 3 months out clenbuterol is a weight cutting agent not a muscle builder.
Your not very bright but go figure.
He failed the test because the banned substance was in his system. You can argue whether it was intentional or not but it completely threw a monkey wrench into the rematch. Your right that Canelo has never been small. That's probably why he fought numerous times over the JM limit.
LMAO!! Ok well let's start here. People keep claiming Canelo cheated!! Fact remains he was 100% clean for both fights! That's my point. People try to make excuses for Canelo beating there buddy but fact remains Canelo beat GGG on skill nothing else.
OK just for the record Im saying Golovkin won both fights and numerous boxing experts agree.
And I'm saying it's not a opinion but a fact he did not by boxing judges!!
Also just as many you claim say GGG won say he lost!
So the record stands as GGG didn't win either and clearly lost one without question.
Except the Smith fight. And when he had signed up recently and failed. Dodged the second test.
Quit the BS Canelo took test leading up to Smith fight. He only stopped VADA when he failed and got banned for like a month or two and rejoined when he quit being pissed off at them. I would have done the same thing. So again your not being real. Canelo is a clean fighter and has always been.
The test was months out and not in a training camp had it been a serious matter it was months out giving him not one ounce of benefit.
He doesn't need to cheat and nobody but God knows for sure what the deal was but in either case he was spotless for the first and second fight and he embarrassed GGG at his own game. He bullied the bully. They begged Canelo to stand and trade well he did that but what happened to GGG. He ran as you fellows call it or I call it boxing but GGG was back peddling not Canelo.
You claim you're not being biased, and yet, the fast majority of boxing heads (boxers, trainers, etc.) all felt Golovkin won the first fight. That's not even talking about viewers (apparently, American viewers are biased for the European guy).
I'm okay with Canelo winning the second fight, but I most certainly thought the first fight was a bigger Golovkin win than the second fight being a Canelo win.
If Canelo was truly a better fighter, he wouldn't have struggled hard against a guy who is old in boxing standards.
That's so funny that all the sudden now GGG is old. Yet before they fault Canelo was scared and would get out worked and knocked out!!
Old was Bernard Hopkins 35-36 is not old exspecially when you knockout most all your opponents.
When has GGG ever been in a war besides Canelo? He hasn't. He went 12 with Jacobs but GGG didn't take near the punishment with Jacobs as he did with Canelo.
This is what I do not get about you nutt hugging b******.
When not if Canelo whips Charlo it will be Charlo was a v and who did he beat?
When Canelo beats Jacobs it will be Jacobs had no chin yet he survived against GGG.
When Canelo beats Andrade it will be another who has he beat question.
This is my whole point. Canelo will never get credit in a lot of you snowflake's eyes because you either dislike him because he already beat your hero or he is going to beat your hero.
It's cool whatever floats your boat!!
It just gets old same excuse Everytime.
If Canelo jumped up to heavyweight and beat Anthony Joshua you still would not give him credit so do us all a favor. Grow up and just stop hating.
I can tell you in your feelings I’m not reading that novel of horrible grammar and chill with the !! Are you screaming while typing or something?
Lol why does only canelo have all these clown fans I bet you’re a paisa too
You will not read because you can't LMAO!!
I'm a fan of all boxers!! That's the facts!! I call it how I see it!!
And no the marks are to get the point across!
#1. You said Canelo never dropped Vada. That is incorrect. He was not enrolled in VADA for the Smith fight. That is not being paranoid that is stating the facts.
#2. Yes Canelo he's been tested and he did not pass while prepping for the Golovkin fight. So he as you put he tested dirty..
No he was not. The fight had been set but Canelo was not in camp!
Canelo again has never failed a test for a fight.
Canelo nor any fighter are in camp 3 months or more out for a fight.
He was in year round testing when he failed that test for trace amounts nothing that could or would be beneficial. He did not copped out of v a d a testing for Smith but whatever the case was neither of them were in testing for that fight on the v a d a program. I can only assume that after the WBC fight Canelo had he dropped out of there testing because he was not going to fight for a WBC title anymore because he was rather pissed with them.
I don't truly know all the circumstances leading up to the Liam Smith fight. But Canelo as a whole has been enrolled in VADA testing sense 2011. Is there sometimes that he was not enrolled with them apparently so. But the fact remains that Canelo never came up before or after a fight for PEDs. And clenbuterol once again is a weight cutting agent and would be the last thing a fighter moving up 6lbs and another weight class would need 3 months out lmfao.
Point is as I have stated there is all this one sided hate trying to discredit Canelo. Fact is he is a great fighter and people need to give him a fair shake.
Granted if he beat the world some will always say he has not beat Elvis and that is my point.
This guy is very wise! I personally like the first win better! Canelo barely broke a sweat!
Thank you very much for that! Takes a I to see truth! I love boxing period but I will call it how I see it even if my guy loses!
I'm a Canelo fan true but I'm just as much a GGG fan truth! They are both fun to watch and great boxers. Canelo just happens to be better!
every unbiased person had canelo winning
every biased person had ggg winning
Well said!! GGG fans are extremely to butt hurt. Reminds me of Pac fans!
I just wish they would get some glasses.
I like both Fighters but come on be real and get over it.
Except the Smith fight. And when he had signed up recently and failed. Dodged the second test.
Dude you ate a illiterate dumbass saying that. Canelo did not avoid testing for Smith as he was on a 365/7 testing schedule for VADA during that fight. Then for the ,2nd fight with GGG he took 5x as many test before the fight and all asked for test before and after. Quit acting retarded!!