Difficult to say because there's really nobody even close to his size to compare to, 6'6 250lbs is quite literally a mr olympia bodybuilding physique.
Considering he's probably the biggest boxer ever (FFMI based), he's definately not the hardest hitter so there's that
I find the whole AJ thing hilarious though, there's footage of him shredded at 91KG at the 2012 London Olympics and even back then he's clearly at either peak natural limit or even bigger than what's possible naturally, and now he has gained 20KG of muscle, an amount that most people couldn't gain training specifically for bodybuilding and eating perfectly in 10 years from scratch, nevermind already having a peak physique - it's laughable lol
I personally dislike him.
He's either using TRT legitimately or juicing behind the scenes, it's simply not possible to be that size naturally and it's literally hilarious that he hasn't been busted yet. It's sad that people think that someone who trains for boxing (not size) is naturally 6'6 at 105KG <10% BF within ten years of training, not to mention how small he was when he eighteen. It's like Evander Holyfield but worse.
Man that is a down right horrible photoshop
It was taken at the Anthony Joshua VS Dennis Bakhtov weigh in.
Simply put that into Google images and you'll see the exact same photos from about one hundred different angles.
I also took the image straight from The Daily Mirror's website. So there's no way it's photoshopped. As I said, he's abusing the hell outta growth hormone.
I'm not a fool but I think you're a bit crazy when you claim to be 100% sure that AJ is a drug cheat.
I still want you to answer my simple question, yes or no. Is it possible in your opinion to get a body like this without taking steroids...yes or no.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/29/article-0-14BBBC1C000005DC-528_468x736.jpg
I will answer your question then. First let's take a look at Anthony Joshua before we make a decision.
Firstly, he gained 28 lbs of lean muscle when he transitioned from an Olympic boxer to a professional boxer. This is simply not possible for the human body without drugs. I'll talk more about this in my last paragraph.
Secondly, by far the most obvious proof. He has a HGH gut. There's simply no way to get your abdominal muscles looking like that without HGH unless you have terrible genetics or you have some sort of a intestine or stomach disease. We've seen other pictures of his abdominals and in some photos they look normal and others they look horrific. This is clear proof that it's not his genetics and that he's cycling with HGH. Growth hormones also make you grow extremely tall which would help point to one of the reasons he's almost 6'7.
Thirdly, he's a convicted drug dealer and he hasn't got great genetics. When Mike Tyson was twelve, he could bench press 200 lbs and was massive. He had a better physique at twelve than Joshua did when he was eighteen. Genetics never change and it's easy to see who has and hasn't got good genetics.
Lastly, I'll try to explain this as best as I can. Everyone has has different amount of testosterone according to their genetics. Testosterone controls the amount of muscle we have, the limit of how much muscle we can gain naturally and how fast we build muscle.
Some people will have slightly more testosterone than others but never by much. There's simply no need for your body to give you a ridiculously high level of testosterone because human beings don't need a lot of muscle. If you want to be strong, be a chimpanzee. Also, the higher your testosterone levels, the more muscle and higher blood pressure you will have as a result. Your body doesn't want you to die young and is not stupid. It does not mess these things up.
The human body will simply not allow you to gain the amount of muscle that Joshua has with the natural amount of testosterone we're given as humans.
It's ridiculous that people actually believe he's natural when he's heavier than Arnold when he was in his prime. Arnold was on ten times the amount of testosterone of a normal man and exercising for the purpose of gaining muscle.
You have to ask yourself. What would happen if Joshua stopped boxing and trained like a bodybuilder? The true effects of his steroids would be shown and he'd be gigantic. You have to realise, Joshua isn't even training for size. He's doing hours and hours of running and cycling everyday. How the hell is he that big?
Maybe, just maybe if you had the best genetics possible and trained for over thirty years bodybuilding then you might get close to his physique. There's no way that you can gain that amount of muscle never mind gain it as fast as he did and still be natural. You would test positive with a testosterone ratio that was far too high and they'd accuse you of doping. It's as simple as that.
Are your really trying to say you don't think a person can get a body like this without using anabolic steroids?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/29/article-0-14BBBC1C000005DC-528_468x736.jpg
I already had a large debate with about five different users about it. Four of them have stopped arguing since I refuted everything they said. If you want to see the argument, read through the thread below. I wont argue about whether his body can be achieved naturally or not since I've already had that argument in the other thread.
http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712466
Anthony Joshua looked like an average guy at eighteen and now he looks like superman. It doesn't take much intelligence to connect the dots.
I'd prefer to use this photo. It shows his HGH gut a lot better. If you believe that a natural human abdominal looks like that, you're a fool. It's one of the first signs of HGH abuse and it ties in very well with him being 6'6.
http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4423724.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Anthony-Joshua-Denis-Bakhtov-Weigh-In.jpg
And Steve plunger
We've already had this argument, leave it alone unless you want to comment back on the other thread. I've also commented on lots of different threads about training and nutrition and helped a lot of people so far. It wasn't my fault you kept replying to the thread.
Based on what? You can't say physique because I can show you pictures of the last four heavyweights who've been busted for steroids and none of them are muscular. So what evidence do you have?
Firstly, you're mixing PEDs and steroids up.
PEDs are Performance Enchancing Drugs. They will make you fitter and faster but very few will increase your strength. They are drugs. People who are medically ill take them to get better but they also make you more effective for sports. For example the one Povetkin took is used to expand the size of your arteries which would increase the amount of blood flow around his body. This would make his fitness increase, so he could last longer in the ring.
Steroids are synthetic hormones. Hormones are not the same as drugs. Everyone has hormones already, you're simply adding more than you already have. If you take steroids, you will gain ridiculous amounts of muscle and you can have far more muscle than the average person. Anyone who has been caught for anabolic steroids and isn't muscular, has either not been using them long enough to get an effect or hasn't been using them properly.
Secondly, all heavyweights are muscular. It's pretty much impossible to be a heavyweight boxer and weigh 90KG+ and not have some degree of muscle. It's irrelevant whether they have a lot of fat over it, the muscle it still there.
What evidence has he got? I'll tell you the same thing I told Juggernaut in another thread about Anthony Joshua:
Anthony Joshua simply has far too much muscle for what a natural amount of testosterone allows. It just isn't possible. Now, you're asking what if something went wrong in his body and somehow he has a far higher amount of testosterone than everyone else? He would show up positive in a drugs test. They would see he has a super high level of testosterone and they would accuse him of doping.
All we're trying to say is that his build is not attainable naturally. You don't need a drugs test to confirm what you can already see. This argument is like trying to say that if a dog works really hard, he can become a horse. They're two completely different things. You can be a really big dog but you can't just gain loads of height and muscle and become a horse. No matter how hard the dog works, this just isn't possible naturally.
We're also not accusing him of being on PEDs, we're saying he's on anabolic steroids. PEDs wouldn't help him gain that much muscle or reach that size.
This is not Povetkin's biggest fight. He earned more fighting Klitschko than he would have fighting Wilder. He earned over 5 million alone from the purse. If he's struggling financially after that then that's his problem. That does not excuse cheating.
Sorry, you are correct. It will cost Wilder the biggest purse of his career, my bad.
The WBC will take the decision on whether the fight will happen or not. If the fight is canceled, it will cost Wilder the biggest purse of his career.
As I said though, neally all the heavyweights are cheating. It's pretty obvious. I just feel bad that Povetkin was the only one caught.
Maybe you can go to the judge and tell that.
Tell the judge what? You can takes steroids and PEDs in the UK. It's not against the law.
All they would have to do is a carbon isotope ratio test and it would be extremely obvious who was doping and who wasn't. Funny enough, they don't do carbon isotope ratio tests because every athlete would test positive.
As for Povetkin, he tested positive for meldonium. Meldonium is used to expand the arteries for people with coronary artery disease. As you can imagine the bigger the arteries, the more blood that the heart can pump and so forth. So his fitness would have increased dramatically. Once the damage is done, it's done permantly. He will always have larger arteries now and he should not be allowed to fight ever again. So to anyone saying you could notice he got stronger and what not, he did not. Unless of course, he was on something else too.
As for Wlad, Jesus Christ. The guy's in his forties. There's no way you're maintaining that size at forty years of age. Period.
If you want my view on Joshua, We had a huge debate about whether he was natural or not in this thread, it's very interesting. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712466
It's pretty obvious the level of corruption in boxing. Can anyone tell me why they only detected the meldonium almost a full year after he took it? And some of you guys actually believe they test regularly. I'd imagine he took it and covered it up for about nine to ten months and then he assumed it couldn't be tested for. He paid dearly for his mistake.
I've said that Joshua is suspect on several threads. I'm also suspicious of Earl Spence and his gyno.
But those are just suspicions for now. Povetkin actually failed a test, that puts him in a whole different category.
Yet you still defend him.
I feel genuinely sorry for Povetkin. Other fighters get away with ridiculous things like Joshua and yet we have Povetkin getting caught for Meldonium. Meldonium will not make you a ridiculous fighter. It will improve your fitness slightly but it will also dramatically increase your chances of an early death and your chance of developing coronary artery disease. It he got tested for growth hormone or anavar, it would be a different story, in my opinion.
It's already been said in this forum but the rich fighters get away with everything. That was Povetkin's biggest fight, the poor guy just wanted to make some money for a change.
Where are you even getting this sh*t from? :lol1:
Out of the ten paragraphs I wrote, could you really only question one sentence?
Here's the video where Dillian Whyte who fought Joshua, addresses him about it and says exactly what I said. I'm not going to waste my time bringing up his weight at different fights. Watch the video if you want to know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oQCQXGrQ0
It should be allowed. They can do what they want, but they'll obviously have to adapt to a Olmypic fighting style and rules. I think it was Mike Tyson who said that the professionals would get beat by amatuers and it would be embarrasing for them.
I don't personally like this era of boxing and I think it's in one of it's worst states in modern history.
For a start, I don't like watching the giant boxers who are dominating the heavyweight scene now. We see people like Fury, Joshua and Klitschko who are 6'5+ and it doesn't really give the small guys a chance (this is just my opinion) and I'd like to see some smaller guys kicking ass. I tend to watch >middleweight because I don't find smaller fighters as entertaining unless it's a huge fight or something.
More importantly, it all seems to be about money now. The overhyping of boxers and press conferences is crazy and all the boxers are basically the same. "I think I'm going to win the fight, says some trash talk to the other boxer" and then the fight proceeds.
I'd love to see some new Mike Tyson style fighter. Not some kid who has been raised from royalty like Klischko but someone who has had a terrible upbringing and just wants to kill people and wont shy from a fight.
Joshua hasn't proven himself enough for us to give an accurate prediction on how he will handle himself against better fighters. Dillian Whyte was a hard match for Joshua and I don't know how he would handle himself against the likes of Fury or Wlad.
In a couple of years, Wlad will retire and Fury and Joshua will be a lot older. Who knows what will happen then? Pherhaps Joshua would win, maybe not. We don't know what will happen then.
I'm not going to state my opinion on Joshua because it will start WW3 but I think that he hasn't really proven himself yet. He only has sixteen professional fights.
I'd like to think Wlad will win, he's a lot smarter than Fury outside of the ring and he's probably got a strategy planned to beat Fury.
If it actually works or not is a different story. Wlad is really old too, Ali was pretty much done when he was that age.
I've only seen him fight a couple of times but there doesn't seem to be any ridiculous signs like gyno, or acne.
I guess like most boxers, he's probably using something but if he is, at least he doesn't appear to be abusing it.
Why the hell would a farmer give clenbuterol to an animal? Clenbuterol is used to lose weight, farmers want their animals to be bigger and weigh more. Unless it's micrograms of clenbuterol, he should be banned from boxing and his future fights should be cancelled.
Not to mention, if a farmer is willing to give clenbuterol to his animals, why wouldn't they give them cheaper and more benefical PEDs? I never say anyone test positive for a PED that isn't benefical for boxing.
The fact that Dillian was banned for using a supplement that contained Methylhexanamine is a joke. Methylhexanamine hasn't even got any proven advantages and it’s only slightly more powerful than a cup of coffee.
Clenbutoral is extremely powerful and will literally drop fat straight off you. Most don't classify it as an anabolic steroid because it's not anabolic, it's catabolic. Dillian shouldn't have even been banned for god's sake.
There's a simple pattern here, if you admit you did it (even if it was an accident) you get a long ban. If you claim that you have no idea what happened and deny everything, you get let off easier.