So it's ok for Wilder to not fight Povetkin. But you are also against Joshua right?

This is not Povetkin's biggest fight. He earned more fighting Klitschko than he would have fighting Wilder. He earned over 5 million alone from the purse. If he's struggling financially after that then that's his problem. That does not excuse cheating. Sorry, you are correct. It will cost Wilder the biggest purse of his career, my bad. The WBC will take the decision on whether the fight will happen or not. If the fight is canceled, it will cost Wilder the biggest purse of his career. As I said though, neally all the heavyweights are cheating. It's pretty obvious. I just feel bad that Povetkin was the only one caught.

I feel genuinely sorry for Povetkin. Other fighters get away with ridiculous things like Joshua and yet we have Povetkin getting caught for Meldonium. Meldonium will not make you a ridiculous fighter. It will improve your fitness slightly but it will also dramatically increase your chances of an early death and your chance of developing coronary artery disease. It he got tested for growth hormone or anavar, it would be a different story, in my opinion. It's already been said in this forum but the rich fighters get away with everything. That was Povetkin's biggest fight, the poor guy just wanted to make some money for a change. Out of the ten paragraphs I wrote, could you really only question one sentence? Here's the video where Dillian Whyte who fought Joshua, addresses him about it and says exactly what I said. I'm not going to waste my time bringing up his weight at different fights. Watch the video if you want to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oQCQXGrQ0 This is not Povetkin's biggest fight. He earned more fighting Klitschko than he would have fighting Wilder. He earned over 5 million alone from the purse. If he's struggling financially after that then that's his problem. That does not excuse cheating.

I've said that Joshua is suspect on several threads. I'm also suspicious of Earl Spence and his gyno. But those are just suspicions for now. Povetkin actually failed a test, that puts him in a whole different category. Yet you still defend him. I feel genuinely sorry for Povetkin. Other fighters get away with ridiculous things like Joshua and yet we have Povetkin getting caught for Meldonium. Meldonium will not make you a ridiculous fighter. It will improve your fitness slightly but it will also dramatically increase your chances of an early death and your chance of developing coronary artery disease. It he got tested for growth hormone or anavar, it would be a different story, in my opinion. It's already been said in this forum but the rich fighters get away with everything. That was Povetkin's biggest fight, the poor guy just wanted to make some money for a change. Where are you even getting this sh*t from? :lol1: Out of the ten paragraphs I wrote, could you really only question one sentence? Here's the video where Dillian Whyte who fought Joshua, addresses him about it and says exactly what I said. I'm not going to waste my time bringing up his weight at different fights. Watch the video if you want to know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9oQCQXGrQ0

Failed test vs no failed tests. You want to be in big fights, don't get caught as a drug cheat. Simple. big money like haymon and froid have can buy any result they want. the elections for president are being rigged out in the open but PED test are legit hahahahahah

Firstly, he gained 28 lbs of lean muscle when he transitioned from an Olympic boxer to a professional boxer. This is simply not possible for the human body without drugs. I'll talk more about this in my last paragraph. Where are you even getting this sh*t from? :lol1:

I've said that Joshua is suspect on several threads. I'm also suspicious of Earl Spence and his gyno. But those are just suspicions for now. Povetkin actually failed a test, that puts him in a whole different category. Yet you still defend him.

That has no basis is fact or logic though. That's as bad as the people saying ggg uses. By your own logic you should be accusing ggg. I still think it's best to be vocal about this stuff, as fans, and not excuse the cheats. I think you're above defending Povetkin. It just makes you look biased along with all these other ggg fans that somehow feel obligated to defend that cheat. It only drags you guys down. Great point however most GGG fanatics would rather die than acknowledge the possibility of GGG being imperfect.

Yes but it seems like testing only catches fighters 1% of the time... people is getting away with it and the eye and other circumstancial evidence is all you have. You have the famous doctors telling the press that they have drugs that are undetectable. And the eye test does not give a pass to most HWs. Have you seen Wlad? and I'm not talking about Joshua... which is another """obvious""" case. So I'm sick of these fans saying "heey povetkin cheater!! wilder did ok not fighting him." No... I don't think so. That has no basis is fact or logic though. That's as bad as the people saying ggg uses. By your own logic you should be accusing ggg. I still think it's best to be vocal about this stuff, as fans, and not excuse the cheats. I think you're above defending Povetkin. It just makes you look biased along with all these other ggg fans that somehow feel obligated to defend that cheat. It only drags you guys down.

Thx for clarifying. There's a good chance they are. But, what we need to do as fans is be vocal in demanding testing and when a guy fails, not act like its OK. Everyone talks about testing and cheats, but then an eastern Euro fails and they all make excuses for him. No wonder we can't have nice things. Yes but it seems like testing only catches fighters 1% of the time... people is getting away with it and the eye and other circumstancial evidence is all you have. You have the famous doctors telling the press that they have drugs that are undetectable. And the eye test does not give a pass to most HWs. Have you seen Wlad? and I'm not talking about Joshua... which is another """obvious""" case. So I'm sick of these fans saying "heey povetkin cheater!! wilder did ok not fighting him." No... I don't think so.

That Joshua, Wlad, Wilder, they are all on roids even though they pass the tests. Thx for clarifying. There's a good chance they are. But, what we need to do as fans is be vocal in demanding testing and when a guy fails, not act like its OK. Everyone talks about testing and cheats, but then an eastern Euro fails and they all make excuses for him. No wonder we can't have nice things.

I'm not a fool but I think you're a bit crazy when you claim to be 100% sure that AJ is a drug cheat. I still want you to answer my simple question, yes or no. Is it possible in your opinion to get a body like this without taking steroids...yes or no. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/29/article-0-14BBBC1C000005DC-528_468x736.jpg I will answer your question then. First let's take a look at Anthony Joshua before we make a decision. Firstly, he gained 28 lbs of lean muscle when he transitioned from an Olympic boxer to a professional boxer. This is simply not possible for the human body without drugs. I'll talk more about this in my last paragraph. Secondly, by far the most obvious proof. He has a HGH gut. There's simply no way to get your abdominal muscles looking like that without HGH unless you have terrible genetics or you have some sort of a intestine or stomach disease. We've seen other pictures of his abdominals and in some photos they look normal and others they look horrific. This is clear proof that it's not his genetics and that he's cycling with HGH. Growth hormones also make you grow extremely tall which would help point to one of the reasons he's almost 6'7. Thirdly, he's a convicted drug dealer and he hasn't got great genetics. When Mike Tyson was twelve, he could bench press 200 lbs and was massive. He had a better physique at twelve than Joshua did when he was eighteen. Genetics never change and it's easy to see who has and hasn't got good genetics. Lastly, I'll try to explain this as best as I can. Everyone has has different amount of testosterone according to their genetics. Testosterone controls the amount of muscle we have, the limit of how much muscle we can gain naturally and how fast we build muscle. Some people will have slightly more testosterone than others but never by much. There's simply no need for your body to give you a ridiculously high level of testosterone because human beings don't need a lot of muscle. If you want to be strong, be a chimpanzee. Also, the higher your testosterone levels, the more muscle and higher blood pressure you will have as a result. Your body doesn't want you to die young and is not stupid. It does not mess these things up. The human body will simply not allow you to gain the amount of muscle that Joshua has with the natural amount of testosterone we're given as humans. It's ridiculous that people actually believe he's natural when he's heavier than Arnold when he was in his prime. Arnold was on ten times the amount of testosterone of a normal man and exercising for the purpose of gaining muscle. You have to ask yourself. What would happen if Joshua stopped boxing and trained like a bodybuilder? The true effects of his steroids would be shown and he'd be gigantic. You have to realise, Joshua isn't even training for size. He's doing hours and hours of running and cycling everyday. How the hell is he that big? Maybe, just maybe if you had the best genetics possible and trained for over thirty years bodybuilding then you might get close to his physique. There's no way that you can gain that amount of muscle never mind gain it as fast as he did and still be natural. You would test positive with a testosterone ratio that was far too high and they'd accuse you of doping. It's as simple as that.

^ 2 days and 9 pages later, I'm still asking WTF his question was. It seems we've established that even fat guys can be on the junk and being skinny is hard work. Fantastic, now what is the relationship between Povetkin and Joshua proposed in the title? Maxi, please clarify. That Joshua, Wlad, Wilder, they are all on roids even though they pass the tests.

what point are you trying to make? That no one should fight him? ^ 2 days and 9 pages later, I'm still asking WTF his question was. It seems we've established that even fat guys can be on the junk and being skinny is hard work. Fantastic, now what is the relationship between Povetkin and Joshua proposed in the title? Maxi, please clarify.

Maxi you have some of the. Worst logic on this site Jesus Christ. Yea Joshua looks like he's on something but what point are you trying to make? That no one should fight him?

What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read my post?? People are quick to assume a ripped athlete is using roids while a fat athlete will never get accused of juicing. My point is stop judging based on their physique because in most cases it's impossible to tell who's dirty and who's clean. No, you can tell by physique. That someone's fat can be natural. That someone has put 20 lbs of pure muscle from sunday to monday is not natural.

Man that is a down right horrible photoshop It was taken at the Anthony Joshua VS Dennis Bakhtov weigh in. Simply put that into Google images and you'll see the exact same photos from about one hundred different angles. I also took the image straight from The Daily Mirror's website. So there's no way it's photoshopped. As I said, he's abusing the hell outta growth hormone.

Hey bro do you think fury is on PEDS? He looks fat and out of shape Being out of shape has nothing to do with Steroids. They are out of shape because they are lazy bastards that eat a lot between fights and doesn't train. You can be fat and take steroids and gain help with them. You can be skinny and take steroids and gain help with them. I think maybe he is, maybe not. He doesn't look as muscular as Wlad but he has some muscles that could mean he's taking them. Not because those muscles would be impossible to gain without steroids, but because he seems to be very lazy to do the hard work you need to earn those naturally.

I wish people would stop thinking they can look at an athletes body and know for a fact he's using illegal stuff. You can be super ripped and clean and fat as f*ck and a cheater. This is what James Toney looked like in his fight against John Ruiz when Toney was on anabolic steroids. https://beatsboxingmayhem.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/jamestoney1.jpg How ignorant you are. Do you really think that using steroids alone will make you skinny? will make you lose weight like that? if that was the case, fat people would take steroids and period. We all know that steroids won't make you skinny. Having low fat % is mostly hard work, correct diet, exercise, etc. Steroids do help a bit in lowering fat, but not at the level of making you lose 20 or 30 pounds. Those fat asses are taking steroids and are also not training properly. Did you see Berto fat when he tested positive? did you see Peterson fat when he tested positive? no... so???

Steroids help to build muscle and strenght, but won't burn so many fat to make you look skinny. You have to do the right diet and exercise all the year, not only when you are on camp, which is what some fatasses like Fury do. That they don't look ripped doesn't mean they aren't using them. Hey bro do you think fury is on PEDS? He looks fat and out of shape

I already had a large debate with about five different users about it. Four of them have stopped arguing since I refuted everything they said. If you want to see the argument, read through the thread below. I wont argue about whether his body can be achieved naturally or not since I've already had that argument in the other thread. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712466 Anthony Joshua looked like an average guy at eighteen and now he looks like superman. It doesn't take much intelligence to connect the dots. I'd prefer to use this photo. It shows his HGH gut a lot better. If you believe that a natural human abdominal looks like that, you're a fool. It's one of the first signs of HGH abuse and it ties in very well with him being 6'6. http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4423724.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Anthony-Joshua-Denis-Bakhtov-Weigh-In.jpg And Steve plunger We've already had this argument, leave it alone unless you want to comment back on the other thread. I've also commented on lots of different threads about training and nutrition and helped a lot of people so far. It wasn't my fault you kept replying to the thread. Man that is a down right horrible photoshop