Ray'
Am sure schafer is on it, The last interview i read about the fight Richard schaefer said they would contact qualified people to see what effect the cut off dates can have on any performance drugs if any.
I think the after fight test would be a great idea if it can be confirm that any illegal intake would show up on the after fight test.
But if Mayweather end up agreeing to all this and the fight gets made and he wins would he still demand the test?? Or would he only demand it if he loses??
The answer I guess would be YES, he will only demand the after fight blood test if he lose.
If he wins, Sr. would boastfully shout his line - "I don't think that he can beat Little Floyd with steroids in him or not. He don't have that kind of talent or that kind of skill -- whatever he has in him."
Me too, i just want this thing to happen, maybe both parties just went of the wrong step..
PBF Sr. said in an interview - "I don't think that he (PacMan) can beat Little Floyd with steroids in him or not. He don't have that kind of talent or that kind of skill -- whatever he has in him."
Now prove to the world that your Little Floyd can beat PacMan based on what you said!!
PBF is demanding random blood testing, to be administered by USADA (later agreed to move off USADA) and that the test itself has no predetermined cut off time which could lead up to fight night itself.
PacMan agreeable to 3 blood tests: one after the press conference, one 30-days before the fight, one right after the fight in the dressing room.
Manny is not against any blood testing it's VERY CLEAR. If he is in steroids or anything, it will surely show up in the last blood test. In fact the first 2-tests will not matter much, that's why NSAC never required it. I think NSAC should amend its rules on medical testing and should include blood testing right after every fight, and if the winner tested positive the decision should be nullified and the offender should be fined. I think there is no need for a random blood testing during training and before the fight, random urine testing would be enough during that period of time.
Now, if PBF really is stepping on the plate and wants to fight Manny, he should accept even the last blood test because this is the only blood test that will have best effective results. Manny is already giving him favor of having his blood tested right after the fight in his dressing room, which is already beyond the required medical testing procedure by NSAC and not even required. Is this not enough agreeing to PBF's demand for a blood testing to find out if someone is using illegal substance?
Arum doesn't want Mayweathers team dictating the rules because it's the job of the commission. If you join a contest, you don't make the rules. If you want some rules to be amended, address it to the proper governing body of the contest.
Everbody wants clean, fair fight. This terms is already fair to both fighters and also to the fans. Let's make the fight happen!
PBF is demanding random blood testing, to be administered by USADA (later agreed to move off USADA) and that the test itself has no predetermined cut off time which could lead up to fight night itself.
PacMan agreeable to 3 blood tests: one after the press conference, one 30-days before the fight, one right after the fight in the dressing room.
Manny is not against any blood testing it's VERY CLEAR. If he is in steroids or anything, it will surely show up in the last blood test. In fact the first 2-tests will not matter much, that's why NSAC never required it. I think NSAC should amend its rules on medical testing and should include blood testing right after every fight, and if the winner tested positive the decision should be nullified and the offender should be fined. I think there is no need for a random blood testing during training and before the fight, random urine testing would be enough during that period of time.
Now, if PBF really is stepping on the plate and wants to fight Manny, he should accept even the last blood test because this is the only blood test that will have best effective results. Manny is already giving him favor of having his blood tested right after the fight in his dressing room, which is already beyond the required medical testing procedure by NSAC and not even required. Is this not enough agreeing to PBF's demand for a blood testing to find out if someone is using illegal substance?
Arum doesn't want Mayweathers team dictating the rules because it's the job of the commission. If you join a contest, you don't make the rules. If you want some rules to be amended, address it to the proper governing body of the contest.
Everbody wants clean, fair fight. This terms is already fair to both fighters and also to the fans. Let's make the fight happen!
I'm not hating on Pacquiao and I'm not a "FLOMO". I'm just a huge Boxing fan. And would like to see the sport prosper. That means enteratining fights and clean fighters (who do not rely on plaster of paris, PED's etc.) because this is a dangerous sport and any "extra help" can be very dangerous. Having said that, Floyd is completely right in asking for the random testing. It's ok for Pacquiao to ask for the 147 lb weight limit, 50-50 split, 8 oz. gloves for this fight and catchweights, ring size, bigger split etc. in others but it's not ok for Floyd to ask for RANDOM tests?! Come on! Give me a break! If anything, Floyd has potentially revolutionized the sport because this could potentially bring in random blood testing and random urine testing which would make the sport a lot more cleaner.
Pacquiao does not want to do the tests because he has something to hide... PERIOD. Prove me wrong Pacquiao by doing the random blood tests.
Manny does not need to prove anything to anybody but the NSAC. A man is considered innocent until proven otherwise. The accusers should prove this to the commission. As far as NSAC is concern, Manny was never tested positive on any illegal substance. (that includes PEDs, marijuana, cocaine, etc)
Besides Manny is agreeable to blood testing RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT IN HIS DRESSING ROOM. If he is on something illegal, it should show up in the results. Get a medical expert on this issue and post this question: How long does this substance stay on our system so that it can be effectively detected by a blood test? What are the benefits in using them, does it give additional strength in the body or additional punching power of the user? Because I think I've seen a lot of steroids user in the body of weightlifters, they have well-defined body structure full of muscles. Compare the body structure of PBF and of PacMan, who do you think is more likely to use steroids?
There is such thing as testing "in-competition" and "out-competition" some testing for PED's for HGH's are requried for both in-competition and out-competition. The real argument here is not on the nature of testings but on the randomness and frequency of testings. If the Mayweather camp is afraid that Pacman is a habitual user of HGH like CERA or BALCO, it is useless to test him during fight night because the purpose of such drug is to enhance your performance during training and not during the fight night. If both parties really wanted this fight to happen, a simple compromise is very easy to sort out. Allow that demand of Mayweather camp regarding the frequency and randomness of testings and on the other hand, for Pacman's side, only allow such randomness of testing reducing the window to only 1 week from fight night. Wouldn't that sound reasonable?
In addition, NSAC should include in their yearly convention the proposal to ugrade their anti-doping procedure. Current urine testing procedures are out of date already. It should already include the latest urinology testings to detect new generation PED's and in addition, blood testings and follicle testings to further ensure the integrity that boxers are fighting fairly.
The last sentence in your first paragraph sounds reasonable enough. In fact, PacMan and Roach is amenable to a 5-day before the fight window, but team Mayweather rejected it and keep on insisting the olympic random style testing which the test itself has no predetermined cut off time which could lead up to the fight night.
The purpose of the blood test is to find out whether someone is using illegal or banned substance. If the effect of these drugs is to enhance performance during trainings but not on the fight itself, therefore it is safe to say that their own skills is on the play during the fight. Any scientific study will be appreciated if it can show that training with enahncement drugs tanslate into additional power punch or stamina comes the actual fight.
Floyd Sr. said: "I don't think he can beat Lil' Floyd with steroids in him or not. He doesn't have the skills..."
Now show the world that your BIG MOUTH is making sense!!!
Manny is not against any blood testing, he said they can do it 3x, the most significant i guess is right after the fight in his dressing room, but not 2-days before the fight. According to medical experts it will not affect his physical condition but it's on his head, he feels weak when blood is drawn from him 2-days before the fight.
Will PBF still wants to fight if Manny feels not 100% during the fight night? He will because he wants to win in whatever ways to protect his O. Maybe he will even fight a man and demand his opponents hands be tied just to make sure he win and earn millions. He also doesn't care paying fees if he doesn't get the weight limit and have an advantage over his opponent just to be make sure he wins a fight.
Manny is OK to blood test RIGHT AFTER THE FIGHT in his dressing room! Mayweathers rejected it not seeing the effectiveness of that test results or they don't want to see the reason behind it intentionally.
Of course they can fight without the more stringent testing. They could fight without any testing period. Would you be in favor of that? What if Mayweather declined to subject himself to any testing period, including urine testing? Would you be ok with that? Mayweather has never tested positive for anything, so nobody has any reason to doubt him, right? Whether they can fight without the random blood testing isn't the point. The point is why doesn't Pacquiao want to comply with the stricter testing? Why has his team came up with several BS excuses for why he doesn't want to comply? The reason that Mayweather is requesting the more stringent testing does not matter. He may genuinely feel that Pacquiao is on PEDS, he may not believe that Pacqiao is that strong, or this may just be a way to get into Pacquiao's head. Regardless, Pacquiao looks suspicious by refusing the request. He's done more damage to his name and reputation by refusing the tests, than anybody from team Mayweather could have ever done. What is "stupid" about stricter testing that both fighters will be subjected to? You sound like a little kid who doesn't know any better. If that's the case then I'm sorry I even engaged with you to start with.
If your premise is: What if Mayweather declined himself to any testing period including urine testing?
He cannot do that because NSAC as the governing body has rules to be followed that includes medical testing procedure which require every fighter to subject themselves into this procedure.
Manny has all the reason to decline Mayweathers demand because it's not within the NSAC rules. However Manny is agreeable to 5-day before the fight window blood test but not 2-days before the fight. He is also willing to a blood test right after the fight in his locker room. Mayweathers team rejected it and keep on insisting the olympic style random blood testing which the test itself has no predetermined cut off time which could lead up to the fight night.
Now, if PBF really is stepping on the plate and wants to fight Manny, he should accept even the after-fight blood test because this is the only blood test that will have best effective results. Manny is already giving him favor of having his blood tested right after the fight in his locker room, which is already beyond the required medical testing procedure by NSAC and not even required. Is this not enough agreeing to PBF's demand for a blood testing to find out if someone is using illegal substance?
Your premise: Mayweather has never tested positive for anything, so nobody has any reason to doubt him, right?
Do you think it's fair for Mayweather to doubt Manny even if Manny was never tested positive for anything? Be reasonable enough!!!
Arum doesn't want Mayweathers team dictating the rules because it's the job of the commission. If you join a contest, you don't make the rules. If you want some rules to be amended, address it to the proper governing body of the contest.
Everbody wants clean, fair fight. This terms is already fair to both fighters and also to the fans. Let's make the fight happen!