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Exactly...well said!!!...Bud and Spence are puppies...Mayweather would wipe the floor with them without breaking a sweat...Pacquiao and Mayweather are in a class by themselves!!!...None of the welterweights today would stand a chance against those two!!!... Mayweather can never beat Spence prime or no prime.. Spence is tailor made for mayweather . Longer taller .tough as nails and unrelenting motor over 1000 punches out put . You thought Oscar vs Floyd was close? Or Floyd vs Castillo? Spence is tailor made to beat mayweather

I'll give you Cotto* :lol1: And credit for giving names *= Cotto had to sign a piece of paper before Pac had the balls to fight him :) Yeah, Pac is sleeping all of these WW fools (I don't care where he started out at. All that matters is where he's fighting at NOW) of course you dont care where he started at..you dont care enough to know about boxing..you just like to listen to yourself. When lomachenko beat rigoundeux.. boxing fans werent surprised.. thats what suppose to happen when a great smaller guy fought a great bigger guy..even tho they fought in the same weight..rigoundeux moved up and lomachenko was a naturally bigger. if the roles were reversed and floyd was pac size and pac was floyd size..what you really think its gonnahappen? pac would steam roll him..like lomachenko tried to do with rigoundeux....no , instead we get a bigger guy running around and giving hugs to a 5'5 guy..thats reality...unless he fights 5'9 165 lb mma fighter...floyd would walk him down and try to knock him out,...this isnt measure of greatness...its a calculated business man..reality star who excites /hype/promote before the fight...but inside the ring? cold calculated business man

How many times has May been put to sleep ??? Less than never. may doesnt ko his opponents...he only kos his fans .

former 108 lber knocked out oscar dela hoya,miguel cotto and lucas matthyse

And Pac does ?!?!? Name Pac's ko victims at WW :boxing: you dont know a lot about boxing do you?

Spence will land to Pac's body and stop him. Hate to say it. Hate to say it but you think Spence will stop pac but Spence couldn’t stop Mikey Garcia. That’s ur logic?

you dont know a lot about boxing do you? if you did ..you would know for a fact that pretty boy floyd is a better fighter than money mayweather. once he beat oscar delhoya he no longer became pretty boy floyd and thus turned into money may. why? he became a star and turned himself into a business man instead of a fighter. he had all the judges lined up after he beat oscar. he was the cash cow now. you ever heard him say.."highway robbery...hes in the check cashing business" its business for him. pretty boy floyd style would get wrecked by pac. cuz pac would hurt him cuz pretty boy floyd fought..like he got hurt against chop chop corley. Moneymay...stops all fighting by hugging and running and wins with jabs. IF floyd fought in any other country than in US after he beat oscar..he wouldnt have a 0 on his record..believe that. he became a social media/reality star... thats how money may became rich... "highway robbery" but if your a true boxing fan not a social media groupie for floyd...you would know pretty boy floyd>>money mayweather

PAC IS ALREADY IN TOP 3.. a lot of ppl in here are either haters or they dont know a lot about boxing.MAX KELLERMAN doesnt need to tell you this if youre a boxing fan. Look at pac's resume and stack him up with the rrest..IF PAC WAS A AMERICAN? HE WOULD BE LABELED AS GOAT..thats just facts man.. I put roberto duran in my top 10 and some ppl have him top 5..but pac already way surpassed roberto duran. One facts ppl dont consider is that that a philipino fighter acommplished this in a foreign land!! think about that for a sec.. you really believe floyd would have 0 on his record if he fought in the philipines, australia, england,mexico?? dont kid yourself...

But as a boxing fan.. I would’ve love to seen pretty boy Floyd vs Terence Crawford That would’ve been a real nice fight for both.. it would’ve been a challenge for both. But Terrence still not been tested.. we see his skills but not been tested. Floyd money mayweather < jayz

you are a fkn idiot :lol1::lol1: https://www.askideas.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Funny-Crying-Baby-Face-Photo.jpg 1) the question is not... who would win, head-to-head... ... the question is... who achieved more which is why you pac-clowns cannot give me names 2) head-to-head... you have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER who would win that fight... I don't believe you know anything about Armstrong a lot of people knocked out Pacquiao... and yet, you would make such silly predictions about a proven great? No my friend .. you have no business talking about boxing. No, I know pac would murder Henry Armstrong . But like I said earlier Henry Armstrong has a great legacy . Henry Armstrong achieved a lot . But you can put pacs resume with Armstrong side by side and can legitimately argue both sides. But I just gave you example of how current fighters today would destroy great fighters of the past. Like wilt chamberlain was great but prime Shaq would destroy him. You have to be in touch reality to have a decent argument What names? I ain’t gonna read all your threads . I have no idea what ur question is but you can ask me A lot of fighters can ko pac? Who ? Give me names

if the lineage title isn't the best then those fake belts champion are all scrubs..... fuk lineal, fuk champions, fuk everything..fuk WINS too..that dont matter.. these *****s will sound freakin idiots just to dicredit what you cant discredit..*****s need to watch mma or something..like max kellerman says..you cant have a logcial agruments with floyd fans..im sorry./..you cant

You said lineal titles are handed out to people who can’t win real titles, like a participation award...or something to that effect lol. I’m not a big pac fan by any means, but what he’s done in the sport has to be respected. The fact that you’re saying he’s “only a 6 division champion” as a means to diminish him, says it all. He’s a clown. He has no business talking bout boxing. But I’m here if he wants to talk

Mayweather is great undoubtedly top 10 of all times. But stop saying he is better than pacs legacy. You don’t know sht bout boxing . Go and talk about mma or something. If pac was Floyd size and Floyd was pac size . Pac would run over him even wit all the hugging . It would be lomachenko vs rigoundeux 2 but with a vicious beat down

Marquez got robbed Kellerman said that JMM beat Pacquiao 4x I believe Max he would not lie he only lies when he says Pac is the GOAT :lol1::lol1: a 5-division champ, who fought the best 5x... is a lot better than a 6-division champ who only fought the best once, AND LOST!! :wave: Haha u still talking? You really like to show of your stupidity . Since u don’t know anything about boxing then Just believe in MAX , max says pac is a better pound for pound fighter than mayweather and pac has a better resume than every body including Armstrong except sugar Ray Robinson. Mic drop

Floyd best wins 1) corrales 2)young canelo 3) Oscar del Hoya 4) Ricky hatton 5) chop chop Corley Don’t give me jmm making a 130-135 jump two weight classes and breaking the catch weight. Don’t give me berto or victor ortiz or Guerrero or Conor mcgregor

You mean Fetus Canelo? GrandPac has: N/A N/A N/A At least we know boxing is over your head. 1) ledawaba 2) Erik morales ( long in the tooth but his fight with morales was more formidable than Keith Thurman who beat porter and Danny Garcia) 3) Marco Antonio Barrera who beat Erik morales and prince Nadeem 4) Oscar delahoya who pac had to jump two weight class to beat 5) Ricky hatton - when pac was 130lber who jumped 135 to fight Diaz then jump 147 and went down to 140 . Other words another bigger opponent who was undefeated at his natural weight 140 6) Miguel cotto another big legimitate welter weight 7) Tim Bradley -undefeated 140 lber but who is still bigger than pac. Pac is more 135-140lber and Tim is legit 140 lber 8) anotonio margarito who is so much bigger than pac 9) Juan Manuel Marquez ..pac beat him 3x 10) Keith Thurman - undefeated prime welter weight Pac had two hall of fame career . He was already hall of famer after he beat morales2x , Barrera 2x , Marquez , Then he became another hall of famer 135-154lbs He is like Brady .

As what you always say pac couldn't beat 6 fighter, Armstrong couldn't beat 22 poeple and yet you considered him greater than pac.. lmao Sorry dude, u cant change the fact that pac is the one and only 8 division champion. If u can find someone who can match pac Achievements i will concede to u.. Just keep looking there's plenty of boxer from the past to present..... lmao... Bruh we are in 2019.. the dude has to bring up a guy from the 30s or 40s .. not from 90s ,80s,70s, 60s.. that’s says a lot about manny pacquaio and his accomplishment . It’s like joe Montana saying Otto graham is better than Tom Brady after Tom won his 5th Super Bowl.. just salty and pathetic

Lmao, damn homie you wrote an entire encyclopedia trying to make an argument! But sorry, you’re wrong. PAC is a top 5 ATG. I got my point across in one sentence. Don’t try so hard bub. Only makes your argument look weaker. Hahaha Bruh he’s trying so hard to shade pacquaio .. no one is buying it bruh.. no one gonna think roger staubach is better than Tom Brady. Or Marciano is better than Ali or bill Russell over Jordan .. let it go.. just make a case for your favorite fighter Floyd.. we all know who u trying to rep.. just using Armstrong resume cuz Floyd doesn’t look too good.. hahaha

I get it... you NEEEEEEEEEED that... " 8-division champ " ... rubbish you need that rubbish because Pacquiao's resume simply does not stand up next to the top-level greats... and NO, I am not talking about Mayweather FACT: Pacquiao won world titles in 6 divisions FACT: of those 6 divisions... those wins will need to stand up to the SAME examination that wins by other great fighters of the past were measured... so, some will struggle, and others like Diaz and Margarito will fall Pac did not win a title at 126 or 140... he did not go anywhere near the best at 135 and 154... and at welter he only ever fought the best once, and he lost forget that... " 8-division champ " ... rubbish the traditional method of "names, not nameless achievements" is... 1) as fair as you can get 2) as brutality honest as you can get 3) a perfect way to separate meaningless rubbish that is "a bit convoluted" and "foggy" (your words)... from legitimate achievements also... until the advent of multiple sanctioning bodies, lineage was nothing it was likely never mentioned... not once because we either... a) had a REAL champion... or b) two guys were about to fight for the title... I would not be surprised if lineage was never mentioned once, it was certainly never an issue or a factor only with the advent of more than 1 official sanctioning organisation was there ever a need to determine who is the REAL champ... before that, everyone knew lineage is bullshlt... Pac either won a title, or he did not it is a yes/no question... lineage is neither an option, nor a factor plenty of fighters beat someone who used to hold a title, that does not make them a champion... and plenty of fighters beat an opponent in a non-title fight, and they did not become a champion either Lol what is your argument ? You have no argument and saying the same thing. Lineal champion is beating undisputed king of the weight class. “ man beating THE MAN” lol what is your argument? If you have no argument just shut up . If you don’t understand what lineal champion means then don’t use it for your argument. Just ask people what they mean. You sound ridiculous . Henry Armstrong has a great legacy and he is in the top 5 conversation . If prime pac fought Henry Armstrong .. Henry Armstrong would get knocked out in two rds. If you don’t know who Henry Armstrong is.. go look him up

what exactly does floyd has to test crawford's boxing skills?? perfect timing Hug? perfect timing Tap? :smashfrea Pretty boy Floyd was a different fighter than money may .. one who fought Corley and San Judah was a different fighter. As a boxing fan those two would’ve been nice fight

Goodness me, even the alts are joining in. I think it's now apparent who's mad. :lol1: You are . Point blank .

we did the math earlier... Armstrong is 10x greater than Pacquiao Mayweather is greater than Pacquiao pretty sure that Marquez is also greater than Pacquiao the only thing for sure... Mayweather is greater than both of them Marquez is greater than pacquaio? There you have it folks . Fl0mos , he is representing . Don’t deny him . He’s one of you

I don't think it works that way. They should be judged on their accomplishments DURING THEIR TIME. Babe Ruth wouldn't hit .250 now b/c almost every pitcher you meet now throw in the 90's. Back then only a few in the major leagues did . Current boxers are not better athletically anyway. I mean you have to judge on accomplishments. You’re right Bout babe Ruth and babe is one of the goats . I just put it out there to set logical barometer . If they say some stupid sht like Marciano is better than Ali cuz he was never been defeated .. it’s kinda pointless for me to enter into his convo

thee were 6 fighters that Pacquiao could not beat there was nobody that Mayweather could not beat Armstrong > Mayweather Armstrong >>>>> Pacquiao insinuating that Pacquiao is even near Armstrong on the ATG list... is just fanboy stupidity it was great when Marquez nearly killed Pacquiao... most of you fools developed some humility LMAO You can legitmately put pac resume up there and compare with the best. I would be more than happy to debate. 6 fighters? Give me names .. Great win for Marquez and? Stop trolling. U serious bout debating or no?

Manny did not win a title at 126 and 140 and Diaz and cheato are rubbish... they are just fake titles Pac is just a 3/4 division champ... like Broner Armstrong held the equivalent of titles in SIX divisions... AT THE SAME TIME Go sit down and talk mma or some other sport. U have no business talkin about boxing.

Nope, I'm not pissed off in the slightest. Again, when someone refutes factual events, makes up the most embarrassing excuses and is in denial, its called trolling. Trolls should be banned. No you’re just mad.. stop trolling. Every other country had pacquaio winning that fight and only country didn’t was the US and Britain . Even to this day ppl argue who won between hagler and sugar Ray Leonard. Every boxing fan knows hagler won but sugar Ray got the descision . It’s not trolling .. it’s a debate for the fans.. stop being mad

If you have to make a thread about it every two days to remind people, then it must not be as satisfying as you think. No it’s about educating . Outside of us and Britain pac is the Goat or top 2 . That’s how ppl view ppl around the world. If pac is American undoubtedly he would be labeled as goat. Lennox Lewis is Britain and Britain have him top 10- top 5 best heavy weigh of all time.. cuz he’s Britain .

I’ll say this once.. prime pac (natural 135 pounder)wipes all these non battle tested noobs in welter weight.. appreciate this old man

I think he still has 1 more PBC fight as hinted during his Dubai interview... I hope he pick one of these guys: Lipinets, Guerrero, Berto... Pac should fight mccgregor , Berto or Asian kick boxer..

Prime Crawford vs prime Floyd would be an awesome fight .. different era for an all time great fight.. Spence vs porter was an all time great fight .. they are similar lvl .. like corralles vs Castillo