PAC IS ALREADY IN TOP 3.. a lot of ppl in here are either haters or they dont know a lot about boxing.MAX KELLERMAN doesnt need to tell you this if youre a boxing fan. Look at pac's resume and stack him up with the rrest..IF PAC WAS A AMERICAN? HE WOULD BE LABELED AS GOAT..thats just facts man.. I put roberto duran in my top 10 and some ppl have him top 5..but pac already way surpassed roberto duran. One facts ppl dont consider is that that a philipino fighter acommplished this in a foreign land!! think about that for a sec.. you really believe floyd would have 0 on his record if he fought in the philipines, australia, england,mexico?? dont kid yourself...
Well said.
PAC IS ALREADY IN TOP 3.. a lot of ppl in here are either haters or they dont know a lot about boxing.MAX KELLERMAN doesnt need to tell you this if youre a boxing fan. Look at pac's resume and stack him up with the rrest..IF PAC WAS A AMERICAN? HE WOULD BE LABELED AS GOAT..thats just facts man.. I put roberto duran in my top 10 and some ppl have him top 5..but pac already way surpassed roberto duran. One facts ppl dont consider is that that a philipino fighter acommplished this in a foreign land!! think about that for a sec.. you really believe floyd would have 0 on his record if he fought in the philipines, australia, england,mexico?? dont kid yourself...
hats off :boxing:
PAC IS ALREADY IN TOP 3.. a lot of ppl in here are either haters or they dont know a lot about boxing.MAX KELLERMAN doesnt need to tell you this if youre a boxing fan. Look at pac's resume and stack him up with the rrest..IF PAC WAS A AMERICAN? HE WOULD BE LABELED AS GOAT..thats just facts man.. I put roberto duran in my top 10 and some ppl have him top 5..but pac already way surpassed roberto duran. One facts ppl dont consider is that that a philipino fighter acommplished this in a foreign land!! think about that for a sec.. you really believe floyd would have 0 on his record if he fought in the philipines, australia, england,mexico?? dont kid yourself...
hold on.....
not saying that I agree with Bradley, but..... a few days ago.....
..... YOU ran around saying that Pac was the greatest of ALL TIME
..... but, now..... you are saying that IF Pac beat Spence, he would only be ranked #3.....? :thinking:
so, Pac is currently NOT ranked #1 then..... or even close..... ?
like that rubbish you guys were saying the other day..... ? :D
how did Pac go backwards without even taking another loss ? :lol1:
I never said in any post Pac is the greatest of all time. Maybe you think Floyd is TBE, but not me I’m a realist. Definitely said Pac Top 10. Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not delusional like most Floyd fan girls are. ;)
Would be huge for sure not because Spence Jr is unbeatable or anything like that but because a lot of people would doubt that Pacquiao can beat him going into that fight especially if Spence looks good vs Porter
As for Bradley...YOU DIDN'T WANT TO FIGHT HIM so YOU can STFU about it!
Pac is already Top 50 All-Time and probably close to Top 25.
If Pac beats Crawford or Spence he makes a strong case for Top 15.
If he beats BOTH Crawford and Spence (putting him near 42 years of age) he is Top 10 with a case for Top 5 ever.
To be the GOAT he'd have to beat Spence, Crawford, and the top guy emerging from JWW (Prograis, etc) or JMW (Hurd, JRock, etc). He'd have become lineal at WW in his early 40s and beat lineal guy from JWW or JMW. That's pretty insane especially considering his earlier body of work
To be clear I dont see Pac beating Crawford at all and I think Spence is 50/50. If he took this fights (I dont think he will) they need to happen soon as time is essence right now. So it would really be something if he beat either guy let alone both
probably the most accurate post in this thread so far
I do not think that beating Spence and Crawford would make Pac top 5, but definitely top 10 consideration..... top 5 is REAL serious hallowed ground, you are bumping with some baaad dudes up there
also..... NOT casting any aspersions at all
and I mean that
but, I wanna see drug testing..... the thing that was bizarrely absent from the Thurman fight..... the thing we ALL know that boxing needs
not to discredit Pac, to validate the win
I agree with Tim completely if Manny beat Spence thats really big, no injuries no lay offs no nearly KOed by a B grader no asterisk hanging off Errol just a monster and a win over him at 40 would be huge.
But thats why Manny will not face Spence especially after Spence stops Porter Manny will not want anything to do with fighting him, he sht himself after Spence showed how well he boxes not just a pressure fighter, I,ll never forget Mannys face as he turned away to leave the ring when Spence said lets go, Manny looked like he seen a ghost.
I will be extremely surprised if Manny fights Spence.
Bradley @ 2:00 - If Pac can pull that off and beat Spence. Top 3 best ever easily.
stop overrating Errol Spence.. the only thing the guy has was his YOUTH
Pac is already the GOAT. Name any boxer from the past to oreaent6who came close to achueved all of these below:
8 DIVISION CHAMPION
5 DIVISION LINEAL CHAMPION
FIGHTER OF THE DECADE
3X FIGHTER OF THE YEAR
OLDEST WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION
If there is atleast one boxer that came to achieved all of these i will concede that pac achievements are overrated.
Spence's best win is against a guy that had no business in the ring at 147, Mikey Garcia. Pac would mop the floor with Garcia. Spence is just younger and bigger, much like Thurman. He has the body work that I think could be a problem for Pac. But, he is stationary and Pac would put a serious hurting on him in the early rds. His only shot would be to wear Pac down for the final third of the fight. Other than that, Pac will smack him around the ring.
When Roach said Broner was faster than Thurman, we all laugh our *ss off. And it turned out to be true.
Reviewing the tapes when Thurman was at his peak and Broner's fight with Pacman, compare them side by side and you will see why Roach said it so.
If Pacman takes on Spence, and Roach reveiews the tapes as usual, we'll all laugh our *ss off when he'll say Thurman is faster than Spence.
I did the comparing side by side. Spence is a bit slower than Thurman, especially when it comes to pace and movement. It's logical considering he's bigger.
I'm not saying Manny wins. I'm just saying it went from "Spence will eat Manny alive" to "It's a 50/50 fight".
We can all agree that if the fight happens, there may be a big possibility Manny takes the first half of the fight. In the second half, it'll all be up to Father Time.
Spence's best win is against a guy that had no business in the ring at 147, Mikey Garcia. Pac would mop the floor with Garcia. Spence is just younger and bigger, much like Thurman. He has the body work that I think could be a problem for Pac. But, he is stationary and Pac would put a serious hurting on him in the early rds. His only shot would be to wear Pac down for the final third of the fight. Other than that, Pac will smack him around the ring.
Pacquiao cant beat Spence. He would be competitive for the first 6 rounds, maybe, after that, Spence takes over and starts hurting him before finishing Pacquiao around round 9.
He has a long, basically impossible road to becoming the goat. All because he couldn't beat Floyd.
If he beat Floyd, he would have a strong claim to being the greatest of all time.
So it's that thin, the line between being greatest of all time and not? Just a win over floyd?
Just Floyd in way of that, are you sure about that? He couldn't beat horn, and that wouldn't stop Pac being considered goat, so I Doubt a loss to Floyd would
Floyd wouldn't even give rematch so your talking from heart not head like all Floyd fans do. You saying Pac can't have 2 chances at Floyd it has to be one go? Your making things up as you go along
Pac is already up there but if he beats Spence at this age he would have to be up there as the greatest tbh. I'm not even the biggest Pac fan but it'd be hard to argue otherwise.
This is nonsense. Spence hasn't beaten thurman so why does Pac have to beat spence?
Pac has did things nobody has did. If Pac being no1 is your truth, he doesn't need to be beating spence.The reason Spence has not beaten Thurman is because Thurman won't fight him. Spence has begged to fight Thurman for many years. Thurman beat Porter by a small amount. Let Porter be the measuring stick. If Spence beats Porter by a small amount then he is no better than Thurman. If he loses to Porter he is not as good as Thurman. But if he beats the hell out of Porter like I think he will then he is much better than Thurman. I don't think Pac can beat Spence but even if he did it would not make him top 3 all time great in my opinion. I would not rate Mayweather that high either. They might be top 30 among all the great fighters who fought before them. It's a boxer's work in his prime that makes him great. One big win when he is 12 years past his prime and 40 years old won't do it.
Bradley @ 2:00 - If Pac can pull that off and beat Spence. Top 3 best ever easily.
hold on.....
not saying that I agree with Bradley, but..... a few days ago.....
..... YOU ran around saying that Pac was the greatest of ALL TIME
..... but, now..... you are saying that IF Pac beat Spence, he would only be ranked #3.....? :thinking:
so, Pac is currently NOT ranked #1 then..... or even close..... ?
like that rubbish you guys were saying the other day..... ? :D
how did Pac go backwards without even taking another loss ? :lol1:
This is nonsense. Spence hasn't beaten thurman so why does Pac have to beat spence?
Pac has did things nobody has did. If Pac being no1 is your truth, he doesn't need to be beating spence.