Lucky for Chris John, He came to America after remark an impressive record, otherwise the judges even will give him a lost decision LOL.
This is why Steven Luevano don't want to fight Rocky Juarez in Houston, probably no more boxer want to fight there either.
Sorry, I can not agree with that. Rocky landed the more meaningful punches throughout the fight.
Round 1 Jaurez (close round)
Round 2 Jaurez
Round 3 John (close round)
Round 4 John (real close round)
Round 5 John
Round 6 John
Round 7 John
Round 8 Jaurez (close round)
Round 9 Jaurez
Round 10 John (really close round)
Round 11 Jaurez
Round 12 Jaurez
I could score the fight either way if I saw fit to. Post your scorecard if you claim robbery.
If the match really close as You said, I can bet the scenario will be different:
Rocky Win, Chris John never ever have any chance to get his belt back, He never get a chance for rematch.
That's why I don't want him to give another opportunity for Rocky, no point at all for him. Unification match is a must. Try to get all of featherweight belt, stamp his name as the best featherweight boxer and if succes move up to 130 lb fight barrera and soto. He don't need to prove anything to rocky, He did one.
I am impressed that he wants to fight here agian... but he will not be the mainevent... nor get the big bucks.
Nah especially if He don't get a big bucks, this is clearly no point for him to fight rocky. Just stay home get a big bucks there and wait for rocky to come to Indonesia if He has a ball. He don't need to fight Rocky in America for a small money, what a point? Who is the champion? How can the challenger try to choose where He want to fight? I am really sick of it. He don't need to fight in America if American people wouldn't appreciate him.
i saw the post fight press conference and the golden girl wants john and rocky to rematch badly but he don't want the fight to be in indonesia. if i were john i would'nt do it.unless they come up with some serious money.because they're trying to get a title for juarez because he can;t beat anybody else.
If this is the case that's meant he got s**** when He sign a contract with Golden boy.
I want to underline again: If CJ accepted the rematch He lost 2 - 0 to Rocky.:davil2:
LMAO at comparison of Indonesian judges to American judges. Neutral means not American?? too funny. When Rocky fought Chelo Diaz and Zahir, it was all judges and referee from Houston. That was not neutral. Having judges from Arizona and Ohio makes it much more "neutral". I guess it's just a matter of perspective..
And bigger LMAO at Cole's "grabbing" John's arm. He did this from the outset in round 1. He does this in every fight, it's actually a good refereeing style. Good thing he didnt talk to Juarez and tell him the scores. It was CLEARLY John who initiated tie-ups and holding. He stated before the fight, and enacted it as he had said, that he would box at range and avoid fighting close. Why would Rocky hold when his best strategy was to land hooks to the body on the inside?
You have very biased eyes.
If American judges better than judges from any other countries, they should score win to Chris John not a draw.
Wow, I'm gonna give up after this, there really is no hope for you.
What I meant by people on the floor seeing it for Juarez is that people viewing from above, from the stands and from the TV cameras, saw the jabs as being more effective. But you know what?? Harold Lederman watching on his teleprompter, and you at home, DO NOT judge fights. The judges who decide the fights are where? ON THE FLOOR. As for "want their hometown boy".. well no, most of the people sitting around me were from out of town.
So you think RJ doesnt deserve a rematch even tho he almost knocked your boy out in the last two rounds. Oh ok. Well, HBO thinks he deserves it, and they want the rematch..
I cannot understand You. If I am American I want Rocky Juarez won, doesn't matter from which states I am.
A draw decision was far from a "robbery." The MAJORITY of ringside observers had Rocky winning. From close vantage, the body shots were much more dramatic than the jabs. Rocky outlanded John in bodyshots about 70-7. But he didnt deserve a draw? c'mon.
As for wanting "neutral" judges, wtf? The judges were neutral, only one was from near Houston. The referee is from Dallas and IMO, John should have been given a warning for holding in the 11th and possibly a point deduction for the same foul in the 12th. But Cole never said anything. Without the excessive holding, Juarez probably scores a knockdown and wins.
There is no argument that the location had a factor in the decision with regards to scoring.
However, I do agree that Juarez doesnt win outside of Houston, and I think the bigger factor is John's health. He was VERY sick just a week before the bout, and this most likely contributed to his late round demise. John should move on to bigger fights and Juarez should beat Luevano then challenge Raffy Marquez or Vasquez.
How can You said it is neutral judges and refree? Did You realise the fight between Indonesian boxer fight agains American boxer and all of judges and refree all American and You call it neutral ????????? What happened with one new mexico judge? Why in the last minutes texas boxing commision swap him with another American? Will Rocky Juarez accepted match in Indonesia with all
Indonesian judges and refree?
Draw is unfair decision for John, He came to America for the first time to get less money than He got in Indonesia and Japan for a bigger risk come to Juarez hometown.
He fight well and don't get the deserved win decision, poor John.
To me he did not beat Jaurez, so yes he has a lot to prove against him. He can probably fight better aswell, and easily outbox him.
The other title holders at 126 are pretty much a joke atleast Cruz and Larios are not better then Jaurez, one of these 2 will get beat by Gamoba before the year is done (Larios could easily get beat by Aoh, I guess Aoh-John would be an alright fight, but you think Aoh would want to get a defense or two before taking on John), and I doubt Gamboa's team would want to see Chris John so soon. Luevano is an alright fighter, but I do not know how thier styles would mesh, it could end up as a real stinker.
If he wants to move up to 130, that would be an ok move though. At 126 he should fight Jaurez
You should look around You and start to counting how many people agree and
disagree with You, if its nearly 50% people agree with You its ok For Rocky Juarez to get another shot, otherwise its time for john to fight another better fighter than rocky.
I saw Chris John since the first time He become pro after He won a Wushu medal, I know how good He is, and to be honest that's not the best of him when He fight again Rocky Juarez probably he get nervous or He is not fit?
I just thought it was a close fight, that really could have gone either way. By saying that I am admitting that it is ok to have John winning.
It would be no fun talking about boxing if everyone just agreed on everything, right?
John might be able to fight better then he did that night, if he can why not prove it. There are not that many better fights at 126 then John_Jaurez II
Rocky the only one boxer that have a lot of chance for a title shot, so I thing He
don't deserve another chance, better for CJ to go for title unification first and if He success move to 130lb to fight Humberto Soto or Jorge Linares.
Maybe John should ask JMM for advice for when this sort of thing occurs.
JMM don't ask for rematch so Rocky Juarez shouldn't ask for rematch either.
Anyway its up to CJ management, I hope CJ go for unification match and if success just move to 130lb.
Im not saying he has a condition, everyones tissue is different some people get cut more or less then others.
Have You guys seen the fight between Chris John and Hiroyuki Enoki?
CJ got 7 stitch after the match.
On the plus side Oscar said HBO was very interesting in making John-Jaurez II, so this can get settled once and for all.
I will say what I have been saying since the fight ended, it was a tough hard fought fight that was actually really close. Thinking John won is fine, but he in no way got robbed. I have read quite a few reports on this fight, and not a single one used the word dominating to describe John's preformance (or any synonym for dominate).
Do You think Rocky Juarez still deserved another shot for a title fight after he fails a couple of times?
I think its better for Chris John to start a title unification.
I have made my case, I have yet to see someone give me a good rebuttal, let alone you. The majority is not always right, I have read more then a few writers that thought Jaurez won though, thanks for playing.
You are obviously a big fan of Chris John, and it fine you think he won. You have Chris John colored glasses on if you think he dominated the fight.
Chris John is a great champion do not make excuses for him.
So its either me or you that's need to get of those pair of glasses.
john clearly won the fight and he can get back at them by not taking the rematch. i see right through golden girl. rocky can't beat any other champion and this is the best way to get it from someone that lives on the other side of the earth. don't do it john move on to bigger fights.
I cannot more agree with You, I am smelling something fishy here. Probably they give a draw to get an opportunity to do a rematch, because they don't have any rematch clause on the contract.
If Chris accepted it, they won twice times: score 2 - 0 for Rocky, if Rocky really have a ball He should do rematch in Chris John hometown otherwise just hang up
the gloves and retired. I really don't believe Rocky Juarez want to fight Chris John in Indonesia.
even though i dont think its really necessary cause john won the fight imo ... but it was a real good fight and i wouldnt mind seeing them go at it again ...
I agree with You, Rocky already lost. I heard He got 2 offer: rematch with juarez or go for title unification agains oscar larios. Might be he go for unnecessary rematch with rocky to get more money.
I prefer He fight oscar larios for title unification and if success move up to 130lb, but what can I say? :boxing:
john prolly prayed 4 times to allah today instead of 5 so allah said for that you will get a draw. allah is strict. true story.
Lol, it is to be corrected, John might be prayed more than 5 times a day.
He is religious Catholic, His real name: Yohanes Christian John, well known as Chris John.
john can fight larios the wbc champ or luevano the wbo champ. izzy vazquez is thinking about moving up in weight. my boy izzy will put up a better fight .forget rocky juarez and that ****** golden girl de la ho.
Yeah I thought its better option for him, Why should give a rematch to someone who cheating You? CJ You don't need to do a rematch, almost all of people agree You are won the match. Rocky need to get the title first if He want to do a rematch otherwise He really don't deserve it IMHO.
Like I said, most people on the floor level saw Rocky winning, so no surprise the judges were influenced by the heavy impact of the body and power punches that Juarez landed moreso than the jabs and straight rights that John landed.
Of Course everybody on the floor want their hometown boy winning the fight.
IMHO its not draw.
Why I don't want CJ do rematch agains RJ? Simply just because RJ don't deserve it. I believe CJ will win the fight again but RJ really don't deserve the rematch enough said.
Just do Unification Match forget RJ