Yeah but Today's guys don't fight on the outside too well either....surely not well enough to keep a mofo like Jack Demspey or Henry Armstrong off their as.s..
These guys today aren't clever...not even close to it..
Floyd and a few others.........yes.......all the rest are just hacking...
JMM is considered smart and Floyd made him look like a chimp..
WHY...??
Because Floyd
IS
AN
OLD
SCHOOL
FIGHTER
From a fighting family......from the midwest......a hot-bed of talent...
Floyd is not a modern fighter....don't include him with his peers..
Name me one olden day fighter ( from before the 50s ) that fights like floyd with the philly shell defense, the shoulder rolling, the pot shotting.
:haha::haha::haha:
Only a few of today's fighters can fight on the inside..let alone survive 15 round fights.
Canelo is 21 and he was breathing hard after 3 rounds...
The Klit Bros gass-out easilly..
Evidently many of today's fighters haven't taken advantage of all those advanced training techniques and nutrition....
All that crap is a MYTH....
The biggest era for heavyweights was from 1920's to the 1950's..
Again, your thinking too much in the present. 15 round fights are all well and good. Jack johnson used to fight 40 round fights!!! he stopped jess willard in the 26th round ( i think it was the 26th )
Yes they were better..
Today's fighters can't even fight on the inside..!!!
Look at.....Pacman...Berto...Canelo...Khan...They can't fight on the inside worth a shi.t...........LOL..........
Fighters don't BOB N WEAVE anymore..
That is a lost art......GONE....!
One of the most effective styles(especially at heavyweight)......VANISHED........!
Fighters from the past had to deal with an array of styles..it's not like that anymore..
Thats part of the debate aswell though. The technique of boxing has changed so that an entire fight isnt spent on the inside. Boxing is alot more about contolling distance and boxing on the outside, being clever and picking off your opponent, which was practically unheard of until willie pep showed how boxing wasnt all about toughness and brute strength
Yes olden boxers would have an advantage on the inside game, but what would they do if they couldnt get to the other man like a mayweather jr!?
Vlad is the essence of a plodder...
He should be on the cover of plodder magazine and plodder's digest..
His jab was blindingly fast:rofl:...Cmon it's predictable...and it drops to his WAIST..
There are guys like Tyson...Dempsey...Frazier...Quarrey...that would be all over him soon as that jab dropped..
Chris Byrd and Ross Purity MADE THEM QUIT....!!!
Corey Sanders....a part time GOLFER SLAMMED Vlad...
The Klits are fighting in the WEAKEST ERA EVER and they still managed to get KTFO or forced to QUIT on their stools.
Both Klits PULL STRAIGHT BACK and they keep their feet too far apart..that limits their defensive options...in other words it makes them SITTING DUCKS.
The klitchkos you are referring to are the old klitchkos, ya have to admit they are alot better now. as for holding his hand low, its obviously a technique taught by manny steward, one that he passed onto tommy hearns with great effect.
The likes of SRR, the cuban hawk and the wil o the wisp are different. Im tlking about older fighters. Ive heard countless interviews with boxing experts say that the older fighters always beat the new. Bert sugar has been quoted saying jack johnson beats many of the new fighters.
Great boxer of the fast were overrated in some degree. Every living things evolved for the best of their species then you add today's better training techniques, recorded videos to analyze, study the fights and better nutrition. Boxers of this era really has a change to beat those boxers.
were discussing technique here though mate, not nutrition or whether an olden day fighter was better conditioned than todays fighters. we have already concluded that the old fighters were better conditioned and could fight longer
everyone is getting off topic. The thread has nothing to do with diet, nutrition, who couls go for longer.
Its simply about boxing technique. I completly agree with the people on this board that are saying olden day fighters were much more conditioned than todays fighters. But were they better boxers?? thats the question.
well thats my point really. The technique has evolved therefore we have better boxers in the modern era.
And im talking about modern greats against old greats. Julio cesar chavez JR doesnt fit the bill im afraid.
Even with sugar ray robinson though, i can see defensive flaws in his style and definetly beleive we have had better fighters than him that arent as idolised.
There's not a Heavy today that moves as well as Joe Louis...not even close..
Believe me...
He would not be considered a plodder..especially with lumbering slow-motion robots like the Klits around to make him look even better.
Go look at some of Joe's fights on youtube...
IT'S LIKE WATCHING A CAT...!!
Is Wladimir a plodder!? he certainly wasnt against haye. If you watch the fight with haye that jab was blindingly fast. and i knoww haye was overmatched, but it doesnt change the fact that klitchko is alot faster and accurate than alot of people give him credit for. A heavyweight truly underappreciated in our time because of the state of heavyweight boxing. Klitchko would have held his own agasint any heavyweight of any era in my opinion
Can someone explain and breakdown the drastic differences in diet and training regimes between Floyd Mayweather Jr and Sugar Ray Robinson.
What does Mayweather, possibly the most gifted fighter of the last few decades, do differently that makes him so much more modern and evolved than Robinson?
Chin ups? Jump rope? Heavybag? Pads?
What about diet? What's in Mayweather's diet that makes him so much more evolved than Robinson?
Meat? Vegetables?
I think were steering off the topic here. Im not talking about diets and fitness training, as im pretty sure the older fighters were freaks of nature when it came to fitness. Im talking about the sweet science, head movement, defense, ring generalship e.t.c......
Basically how boxing technique has evolved, not fitness methods