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In addition to fighting in a hostile environment with a shady referee, not only did Deontay Wilder shake off the cobwebs against Derek Chisora, but he also admitted that he held back from doing serious damage to Chisora when he got him hurt. I believe Wilder will agree to the rematch, but will also try to knock him out quickly, so as to do as little damage as possible.

In addition to fighting in a hostile environment with a shady referee, not only did Deontay Wilder shake off the cobwebs against Derek Chisora, but he also admitted that he held back from doing serious damage to Chisora when he got him hurt. I believe Wilder will agree to the rematch, but will also try knock him out as quickly as he can, so as to do as little damage as possible.

Amazing fight! Shades of George Foreman - Ron Lyle... A fight-of-the-year candidate. Two fighters with great chins in their prime. Wardley was too tough for his own good and never stopped trying. Dubois kept catching him coming in and stayed smart behind the jab. Great fight. Should have probably have been stopped a couple rounds earlier... A heavyweight title fight for the ages...

What, all five of you? :lol1: The truth (i.e. reality) doesn't have to be popular...

I'm not sure from where you believe this sudden burst of renewed energy and success will materialize in Wilder. He's part of the old guard and won't stand a chance against the young guns coming up, let alone the old guys on your list. He's done. You'll see, and we'll all laugh and laugh. :lol1: You need to be a Wilder fan to understand why we are all excited about his future bouts. Hopefully you'll support the fights and we'll see who's right.

Oh, yeah, you were right about Wilder beating Chisora and I was wrong. Feel better now? My opinion that he's not moving very far from here stands. This was a huge step for Wilder. He absolutely needed this gruelling fight to shake off the cobwebs and get comfortable in there again... There are MANY options for Wilder. He just indicated in his exclusive interview with 78SPORTSTV, that he'll be ready to fight again at the end of the year. My order of preference would be: Usyk Joshua Parker rematch Zhang rematch At this point, I have him knocking out every one of them. That would be epic! https://youtu.be/NaZ_aQbXFe4

:lol1: Beating the old warrior Chisora who was never a champion means Wilder is back? he'll have to do better than that, much better. I thought you were going to be man enough to admit that you were wrong. I guess you're not ready to do that yet...

:lol1: I'll be here. The question is, where will you be after Wilder announces his retirement when WAR beats him up? You haven't posted anything since the fight. Everything ok? The Bronze Bomber is back!!! This is exactly what Wilder needed. He still needs more activity to perfect his timing, right hand, jabs to the body and check hooks, but the full twelve rounds helped him to fight off the cobwebs. As he himself said, he wanted three fights last year, but only got one. Chisora was nothing short of a warrior with neverending aggression, sneaky overhand rights, solid body shots and a great chin. Luckily, the right man got the decision in enemy territory, with the fake point deduction in round 8 and fake knockdown call in round 11... Maybe Joshua or Usyk wants next in Saudi?

Amen! Hopefully Deontay-Usyk for the ultimate Crown. Usyk already says he want to fight Wilder before the Americain boost his profile vs Chisora today. Styles make fight my friend, Del Boy almost beat King Usyk in Covid time without crowd, by far the hardest fight for the Ukrainian superstar. I strongly believe since the day 1, that Wilder's style with this killer right hand, gonna be a real kryptonic for the southpaw Usyk. Absolutely. Hopefully we see both Joshua and Usyk fighting Wilder this year. Or at least both fights by early next year after Wilder heals... Shelly Finkel revealed in the post fight press conference that the earliest possible time for his next fight would be June, depending on the extent of the damage. He also pointed out how many times they tried to cheat Wilder out of a knockout and a win. Deontay Wilder on fighting AJ next, RIPS Ref after Chisora win at Post Fight Press Conference https://youtu.be/mnA-QAv10yY

The Bronze Bomber is back!!! This is exactly what Wilder needed. He still needs more activity to perfect his timing, right hand, jabs to the body and check hooks, but the full twelve rounds helped him to fight off the cobwebs. As he himself said, he wanted three fights last year, but only got one. Chisora was nothing short of a warrior with neverending aggression, sneaky overhand rights, solid body shots and a great chin. Luckily, the right man got the decision in enemy territory, with the fake point deduction in round 8 and fake knockdown call in round 11... Maybe Joshua or Usyk wants next in Saudi?

:lol1: I'll be here. The question is, where will you be after Wilder announces his retirement when WAR beats him up? I'll be here, giving a breakdown of the fight, regardless of the outcome. I'm predicting a quick, highlight reel, knockout victory for Wilder. Then we'll see if Usyk still wants to fight him next. If not, I'd love to see Wilder rematch Parker and Zhang... Chisora & Wilder GO OFF on the 'SC*MBAGS' in boxing as they face-off: https://youtu.be/66UsbxxRQV4

Nah, Wilder's not a counter puncher. He's used to opponents being half scared but still standing in front of him. Del Boy will be in front of him, but he won't be scared. :boxing: Be here April 4th and own up to it if you're wrong. Even Wilder admits Chisora is going to be a tough test to see if he's truly back. EXCLUSIVE: DEONTAY WILDER TALKS DEREK CHISORA WITH 78SPORTSTV https://youtu.be/LdatzYyL4Yo

Chisora won't stop coming forward and Wilder won't have to look for him. Great fight to create the perfect buzz for the Usyk title shot. Blink and Chisora is out cold!

Ok then Boots already refused a bag of money from Turki the real boxing fan Absolutely. They were originally supposed to fight back in February, but Boots declined the Saudi Arabian offer. Now Oscar is trying to do the same thing, but both DAZN and Turki are pushing back. Let's see what happens...

Fury rises to the level of his opponents and will find a way to win some rounds against Wilder by out-boxing him and making him miss. But I believe Wilder has a unique style which forces his opponents to eventually engage with him. Almost like tricking them into believing they have him, then BOOM!!! He lunges at them with speed and total abandon!!! Always at the edge of your seat... Wilder and Fury both have unique styles that are difficult to overcome. Lose to Fury, and you've likely been outboxed. Lose to Wilder, and you've probably been knocked out. It's gonna be an interesting contrast in styles and will be a great fight for as long as it lasts. But I believe Wilder will eventually catch Fury. Will Fury be able to ride Wilder's punches all night long? I doubt it, but it won't matter: the fight is on and we'll all know soon enough...

No, there is no rebuilding process for Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder 'Wilder has to jump straight back into the game, at a solid level. Against fighters that are regarded as capable fighters'. Deontay Wilder is a former Olympian, and Olympic Bronze Medalist 'Wilder has been a professional boxer for 16 years. He is the former WBC Heavyweight Champion of the World, with a Heavyweight reign consisting of 10 successful title defenses, 11 successful Championship fights from a total of 13 Championship fights'. Fighters know the truth, Deontay Wilder has to return into the sport at a high level 'Because if he does not, the likely-hood is that he would actually be under preparing himself for the mega fights that are potentially still in range of his power'. What level of fights are you actually insisting Deontay Wilder must take? Because if you expect Wilder to fight 5 fights in one year 'Judging by his resume, that potential calibre of fighter I would imagine to be a domestic level American Heavyweight'. People were complaining and mocking Anthony Joshua when he was fighting Franklin, Helenius, Wallin and Ngannou 'When in reality, there is not much evidence from Wilder's most recent form that he could beat a fighter like Jermaine Franklin, and I am being very serious'. Note: I would accept fights such as Derek Chisora vs Deontay Wilder, Joe Joyce vs Deontay Wilder or Dillian Whyte vs Deontay Wilder 'I believe those fights suggested there, are at a high enough level. That Deontay Wilder would gain momentum from beating those fighters'. Chisora, Joyce, Whyte, are not elite level fighters 'But they are still capable and dangerous. I personally would regard wins vs Joyce and Whyte in particularly as solid wins for any Heavyweight fighter'. I have stated in other threads, that Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua 'Should be Joshua's number 2 target for his comeback fight, outside of a rematch vs Daniel Dubois II. I don't think people should be too concerned about each fighter coming back from server loses, this actually builds the narrative and theme of the match up'. To conclude: Deontay Wilder vs Anthony Joshua, is still a colossal match up 'Beyond titles'. No matter what people, at this stage of their careers 'Boxing History has already been recorded and happened. Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder have been two of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era 'The three Heavyweight Mountains were Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua. Ultimately this Heavyweight era, has been their era and they have been the three most dominant and influential celestial bodies in the game'. I guess the competitive landscape in the Heavyweight Divisions, especially for fighters in the position of Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder will become more clearer 'It does seem like Anthony Joshua and his team are more game for jumping back into the game at a high level. And the main point I am trying to make in regards to Deontay Wilder, is that I believe he needs to approach this stage of his career with a similar level of intent. Because this is the only way he can truly optimally prepare himself or future challenges, and find out whether he has still the ambition, determination, and aggression to combined with his power etc. ​ It's not the loss. It's the WAY he lost. Wilder's recent form suggests he has slipped considerably from what he once was: a smart, aggressive, intimidating fighter who's power came from quick, over-committed shots to the target. There was no hesitation, so a knockout would happen in the blink of an eye. I believe he needs to fight low tier opposition in quick succession until he gets used to pulling the trigger like he used to. How he performs will tell you where he's at. If he's successful, he will then be ready to fine-tune his game to incorporate what he already knows, against the likes of Chisora, Joyce or Whyte. I'd also like to see him reverse the Parker and Zhang losses which is why I suggested 5 fights in one year. An active 2025 would set up a more exciting stage for his final run and a possible title challenge in 2026. Let's see what he decides to do...

I am sure Deontay Wilder, will not hesitate to throw power punches vs Domestic level American Heavyweights 'Because he knows he is better than those fighters'. I understand the reasoning behind your methodology, but? I think it is flawed, especially for a fighter like Deontay Wilder. 'People that know boxing, understand that fighters for the most part improve mostly in the gymnasium. The 1000's of hours of training, sparring, technical work, self reflection and analysis. Ultimately this is how fighters improve, and maintain their game. Fight Night, is in my opinion just a bi-product of what a fighter has been working on inside the gym'. Deontay Wilder's form is going to be rediscovered the gym, not randomly while fighting a domestic level American heavyweight. We can both compare Deontay Wilder to Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Compare the company and training circles in which those three fighters role in. Deontay Wilder from my knowledge does not train alongside anybody who can really compete with him. Once upon a time? I believe Deontay Wilder may of done so. But the last few years of his professional boxing career, you tell me? What circles did Deontay Wilder role in?'. There have been numerous stories about Anthony Joshua sparring Tyson Fury, David Price, Daniel Dubois and the list goes on 'And not so long ago, he was training alongside Errol Spence Junior'. The point I am trying to make is? If Deontay Wilder is going to alter something, it has to be his approach to preparation in my opinion. The likely-hood is that Deontay Wilder is not going to fight 5 times in one year 'While fighting at a solid level. That is why I think your methodology is flawed'. But where he can make effective altercations, IS RIGHT NOW in gymnasium. No disrespect to Malik Scott, but I wonder if Scott is the best boxing coach for Wilder at this stage of hs career? Malik Scott does seem extremely analytical, intricate and specific. And from my observation maybe his training methods have influenced Deontay Wilder's style, and lead him into attempting to strategize his way through a fight'. Note: Deontay Wilder is a instinctive, reactive and raw fighter 'Malik Scott was not that type of fighter. And from the multiple interviews that I have watch of him, Scott does not seem like the type of coach who would build up that type of fighter, if he had a choice. Malik Scott is clearly a very positive addition to Wilder's team, but I am not so sure he is best lead coach that Deontay Wilder could work with at this stage of his career'. Anthony Joshua in comparison, seems to gravitate towards boxing coaches who are extremely analytical, intricate and specific 'Because those are traits, that make up Anthony Joshua's character as a fighter'. Deontay Wilder is not just a fighter 'Deontay Wilder is a energy, it is power'. Wilder in my opinion, needs a team and coaches around him 'That live and breathe, what Deontay Wilder is. I don't think he needs a team around him, who are going to attempt to imprint their character traits upon him'. Jay Dee's in my opinion, has been Deontay Wilder's best coach 'Regardless if technically, he is the best boxing coach. Jay Dee's lived, and immersed himself in what Deontay Wilder was as a fighter. Aggression, power, violence'. To conclude: So in my opinion, if tactics are going to altered somewhere in Deontay Wilder's approach to the game 'It starts in the gymnasium. I think Malik Scott is a positive addition to Wilder's training team, but maybe he needs to self reflect on his own performance. And understand that Deontay Wilder is not a technical project, he is form of power that needs to be nurtured and harnessed'. Anthony Joshua in comparison, can be described as a more technically engineering project 'Due to all of his attributes as a fighter. There are just so many attributes and skills, that Joshua has which a boxing coach can work with during training'. I think it is good news, that Deontay Wilder has decided to continue fighting 'People for the most part live in the moment. All it takes is one solid win, and both Deontay Wilder and Anthony Joshua will be right back at top level' etc. Fight night is a whole different story. You're fighting the man you trained for but you have no idea what he's going to bring to the table on the night of the fight, domestic level or not. Totally different from training and fine-tuning skills. That's why the more fights you have, the more accustomed you are to making that crucial switch to fight mode when everything is on the line. More activity in 2025 will change that. But it can't be at too high a level until he gets back to performing at his best under the lights. His last fight with Zhang proved that he's close but not quite there yet... We saw shades of his old self in the last round of the Zhang fight. There were more punches thrown with bad intentions, and there was less hesitation. However, the speed and commitment to punches wasn't quite there. A couple quick and easy fights should get him over the line, where he's faster, more relaxed and more committed to his punches. At that point, he'll be ready for real competition and will be able to put on a much more entertaining show for as long as it lasts...

Wilder needs to get back into his groove... Hopefully, Wilder has looked at his fights with Parker and Zhang and recognizes that he has slipped considerably. He can't just wing it and fight the top guys in the division. He needs to get back into top form so that he is no longer hesitating to fight and throw punches. He needs to step back and regroup. This is what I believe it will take for Wilder to get back into top form. Have FIVE fights in one year. Forget about the Saudi Arabia Riyadh cards. Fight D-tier, C-tier and B-tier level fighters until he gets back his killer instinct and no longer fights scared and defensively. Fight comeback fights until he truly becomes the Bronze Bomber again, who fights smart but aggressively, and is knocking people out within the first three rounds. Then rematch Parker and Zhang or FIGHT JOSHUA in Riyadh. All within a year. If he's successful, he's back in top form and ready for his final run. Otherwise, he should stay retired.

Curious if you've ever made a deal on anything before, such as a new car or house. Lenders ALWAYS make you agree to basic terms like price and, if you're financing, interest rate. This fight is no different. Wilder's team need not draw up a full contract for anyone if there is no starting point on basic terms, just as a mortgage lender isn't going to take the time to write up a contract if a buyer hasn't agreed to basic terms. Do you think lenders write up full contracts and present them to random people on the street in hopes that they want to buy a house or car? No, they do not. They talk with a buyer whose interested, come up with basic terms such as price, interest rate, have the buyer sign a good-faith agreement on basic terms, THEN they draw up the contract and supporting docs. If the buyer doesn't like some aspect of the contract, he can further negotiate or back out. I've bought two houses and several cars in my life. I don't see what is unreasonable here. You post quite a lot (mostly pure drivel), so I'm assuming that maybe you don't work and that you have probably never made a major purchase deal. AJ wanted $50 million dollars; that's what he specifically asked for to accept a fight. He was offered that, but his promoter still balked. Why? Because Hearn does not want this fight for his man yet. There is still money to be made from AJ before that wagon tips over. Hearn REGULARLY admits this on his own, IF you listen to what he says. Wilder's team was ready to negotiate their $50 million offer, not to sit down with Eddie and start over completely from scratch. That is why they wanted a good-faith commitment from Hearn before meeting. They wanted him to accept that they would be talking about that deal, not some other Hearn bull****. That is how this **** works, as BOTH sides have already acknowledged. I am trying to be objective, but the b.s. is getting thick in here. The whole non-British world sees what's up. It's as clear as day which side is avoiding this fight. Hearn's isn't avoiding the fight. He just doesn't want to relinquish control and bigger profits for him and his UK backers. But now Joshua can demand a bigger guarantee from his manager (against a percentage)

Question: Will this new deal be better than $50 million against 50% for Joshua? Or will most of the money be for Hearn and co? The Wilder deal meant Joshua would have to split his money with his manager, trainer and other obligations but the promotion would be handled by Wilder's team. With American backers, it would have been a bigger event hence the bigger guarantee. This new deal would mean Hearn is back in control, shares the profits with his backers and he would be able to give Joshua whatever he "claims" is fair... Really up to Joshua to decide...

Thanks for the link. Looking forward to Garcia-Lomachenko and Spence-Crawford unification fights in 2019...

I honestly don't blame him. Great interview. No BS. Thanks for the link.

Joshua's record doesn't make him number one if it doesn't include the one champion that existed when Fury left. The one champion he avoided fighting as an up-and-comer (understandably), and the one champion he is still not ready to face after winning Fury's belts. As he himself said, he won't be rushed to fight Wilder and it looks like his fans can enjoy more confidence-building fights with Povetkin, Whyte and Pulev until he IS ready.

They're the only two champions with a common goal anyway. Joshua is focused on that billion and he's not even ready to challenge Wilder yet. So I could see a three fight deal, two tune ups for Fury and two solid fights for Wilder, starting in November 2018 and gravitating towards a December 2019 Showtime PPV unification, $30 million guaranteed to Fury against 50%, for the lineal and WBC belt... Then the winner negotiates with Joshua in early 2020, provided Joshua still has the belts, is ready to unify and is ready to negotiate in good faith. Joshua fans won't care: they will support any Joshua fight with any fighter, win or lose... But real boxing fans would have a real slew of fights with real stakes for the next 18 months, none of this "risk-free" crap...

I’m sorry, did I read that correctly? You think Wilder has been “avoided like the plague?” You also think only “the toughest” want to fight him? I’m sure that Audley Harrison, Eric Molina, Stiverne, Washington, Splizika have fought him. Also quite sure that Klitschko, Povetkin, Parker, Whyte, Breazeale and now AJ have all tried to fight him. Hardly being avoided. What a ludicrous statement. Yet, you haven’t actually explained how he is the man to beat, just offered spurious statements that don’t even make a feeble attempt to support your claims and here I am wondering if critical thinking is part of the American education system.. Remember that Wilder and Klitschko were both managed by Shelly Finkel so they were purposely kept apart until Wilder challenged for the WBC belt and had a few more fights under his belt. Similar to Joshua now, it was felt that unification was too soon for Wilder (fewer amateur bouts, more fights needed to hone skills and gain popularity). Klitschko was the man to beat until Fury schooled him. But if you noticed, Fury didn't really beat him senseless: he sort of avoided fighting him and threw slapping punches, never really committing with serious leverage but racking up points and being evasive while staying in the pocket. Classic boxing finesse... Unfortunately Fury couldn't keep it together and reneged on two rematch attempts, thereby giving up the titles. All the while, keeping Wilder out of the loop for the next two years, but still finding the time to attend Wilder's fights. Once Fury was out of the picture, Wilder became the man to beat. But Fury never lost the lineal title, so he will be a force to be reckoned with once he is back to his previous form. Should be two more fights... After Joshua beat Dillian Whyte in a great fight, he was required to register with the VADA clean boxing program and became the WBC mandatory for Wilder. But similar to Wilder's diversion from Klischko, Joshua chose a different path and fought a great fight with Klitschko. Klitschko NEVER fought better and Joshua showed the heart of a lion. That uppercut in the final round was a punch for the ages, perfectly timed... Charles Martin also chose a different path. Instead of unifying with Wilder for less money, he was paid handsomely to defend against Joshua. Ditto for Parker. Paid another nice 30% to unify with Joshua. But I suspect the Takam and Parker fights revealed something to Joshua. He expected devastating results but they were tougher than expected. So he realized he needs to hone his skills some more. Very different for Wilder... His confidence is off the charts right now, especially after the Ortiz fight. THAT fight revealed something about Wilder. He's faster than most heavyweights (because he's lighter), so he can avoid incoming but is lightning quick if you make a mistake. But that's not what makes him lethal: it's his commitment to his punches. He literally punches to take your head off, committing with full leverage when he has you hurt, and is fast enough to retreat if he misses. You can't be unsure of yourself if you fight him now and you better have a solid defense if you miss. I believe Joshua CAN beat him, but Joshua doesn't believe he can beat him. Not yet anyway, and that's ok, but don't pretend he's ready to fight him right now. Even Joshua said he won't be forced to fight him and not even $50 million against 50% can change his mind. Hopefully, they're both still in their primes when they do fight (late next year, early 2020?) and my hope is that they take each other to the next level. If not, Fury-Wilder is just as compelling.

I’m sorry but where did I say that how much a fighter makes matters? What I did say/ask is why Wilder is the man to beat? And what I did imply was that if their respective records were swapped, we all know that you and others like you would be slating AJ for fighting nobodies and turning down several chances to unify with the various champions AND RIGHTLY SO. Wilder had a chance to pick all of the belts and unify by fighting Klitschko but he didn’t. Why not? If AJ’s path was so much easier than Wilder then why didn’t Wilder just go ahead and do it? He’d be undisputed but instead he’s scrapping for relevance despite having arguably the most prestigious belt. You think the “real champion” is a man who hasn’t attempted fight another champion in his 40 fight career until right now? Do you realise how confused you are? “If one champion isn’t ready to face another champion, there’s no way in hell he’s the man to beat...” What kind of logic is this? Joshua’s beaten 3 champions (2 paper, admittedly) which is 3 more than Wilder has. So Wilder’s the man to beat because he’s calling AJ out? Ever called up for the debate team at high school?? I’m sorry, but Wilder’s resume up to this point borders on disgrace and while Joshua is deeply average as a fighter, any objective individual can see that in the piss poor HW division, he’s the man to beat. You keep talking about the resume, but don't seem to realize that's it's very easy to avoid the best fighters in boxing, then turn around and claim that their resume sucks. Wilder is the real deal, and is the most dangerous threat in the heavyweight division. High risk, low reward, so avoided like the plague by most fighters. Only the toughest fighters fight him. Or the most confident... From my vantage point, Joshua never intended to fight Wilder next and continues to avoid him with a disrespectful flat-fee offer. Like Fury says, not even $50 million against 50% was enough for him to take the chance. Hopefully, after one or two confidence-building fights, Joshua will be ready. Until then, Wilder is the man to beat...

1) none of this explains why Wilder is the “man to beat.” Just because fighters have chosen different paths, does not male Wilder number 1 in this division. That's sort of the way it works. Wilder was the only remaining champion when Fury was stripped and Wilder has yet to be beaten. So he has remained number 1 in the division, the de facto champion, i.e. "the man to beat". There's a REASON why every other belt holder (including Joshua) has avoided Wilder to grab one of Fury's belts. And I don't blame them: how do you beat a fighter like Wilder? Joshua says if you really want to find out, YOU go fight him!!! I agree that Wilder being the "man to beat" still doesn't make him the "best" in the division. But I have a hunch Joshua, Martin and Parker believe he is... 2) I agree that HE thinks he’s not ready for Wilder, but I think he’s overestimating the man who will lose to the first young and fast opponent he faces. Ortiz is a cracking fighter but he lacks mobility and power. Never expected him to have enough to beat Wilder purely because of the latter’s physical advantages but they only take you so far.. I believe Wilder beats Joshua because of his confidence, quickness, and unorthodox style. But we'll never know until Joshua is ready to step up.

Joshua will fight Wilder when he believes he can win. Simple as that. That will happen when a fair 60/40 contract is offered, or when Joshua is ready to accept $50 million against 50% to fight in the US. Until then, Joshua can enjoy his local support and Wilder is the man to beat...

Hey man, why is Wilder “the man to beat?” Would you be calling AJ the man to beat if he had Wilder’s record? Records don't matter.. How much a fighter makes doesn't matter... How many belts he has doesn't matter... If one champion isn't ready to fight another champion, there's no way in hell he's the man to beat... Joshua isn't ready to fight Wilder. He could have easily gotten an exemption from the WBA. He actually dropped out of the WBC ratings to pick up the belts stripped from Fury. It was an easier path, it helped develop him as a fighter and put him in the driver's seat for the unification with Wilder. But he's not ready to fight Wilder yet. Nothing wrong with that, but it shows he's not the man to be beat. It shows who's the real champion at this point in time.

How is Joshua number 1? He is not the lineal champion, Fury is. He was not the champion when Fury left, Wilder was. Fact is, he just has Fury belts. A great accomplishment, but not quite there.... The winner of Wilder-Fury will eclipse Joshua's artificial rating on December 1st.