Name some of the best fights between Mexican-Americans (Chicanos) and Mexicans (Mexican nationals). I know there are plenty out there. Here are a couple to get you started.
and you all forgot THE LATE GREAT DIEGO CORRALES vs. THE GREAT JOSE LUIS CASTILLO
I've never experienced anyone on the internet with less intellectual integrity than marquez#1. Every time someone makes a good point that contradicts his he ignores it and continues to write the same nonsense over and over. This is amazing.
HAVE YOU SEEN MARQUEZ#1 FAN LATELY????
JOSE RIZAL DOES MAKE A GOOD POINT AND ALSO HE DEFENDS HIS OPINION IN AN ORDERLY AND CIVILED MANNER....GOOD POSTS
NOT LIKE SOME POSTERS HERE WHO KNOWS ONLY CURSING AND "NUTHUGGER' WORD AINT I RIGHT MARQUEZ#1 FAN??//:d
ARE YOU XCARET BY THE WAY YOU SOUND FAMILIAR EH??:))
Pac wouldn't stand a chance - I mean it's so unfair - it's like David V Goliath - and it would divide the good people of the Philipines.
lols LMFAO:haha: a good one...Havent thought of that..it would divide the Pinoys:))
Himself is overrated.
PacKO1Himself
Pac's version of SBW will KO the version of 147, he looks sluggish at 147....
LMFAO hahahahaha these are killers bwhahaha....
Lay off the pipe
because these guys are making IDIOT threads about PAC fighting GOD or PAC fighting O'Donnel or Valuev...so may be PAC vs. PAC is much better matchup dont you think...At least PAC will have no undue advantage......:439:
so who makes it?
I think the first PAC will blast the second PAC at the first half of the fight but the secon Pac's tenacity will win through in the end...
2nd PAC by KTFO:moon:
Pac will knock himself down in round 3, then walk to the wrong corner.
A ring riot will ensue when Freddie finds out he's been coaching the wrong Manny for 7 rounds.
After everyone calms down and the fight resumes, Pac and Manny will knock each other out then there will be a long count controversy cause one pinoy got up a second sooner than the other.
Rematch!
hahahaha....you know what you got me wondering....how many ROACHES do we have in the fight hahahaha....
and thats not all...HOW MANY BUBOYS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE!!!! bwhahahahahaha
IMAGINE THE CONFUSION IF EVERYONE FINDS OUT THEYRE IN WRONG CORNER!!!!hahaah
those are great samples....
Somehow i was thinkin of Leonard vs. Hagler and Sturm and Dela Hoya but somehow I forgot them (probably because of old age I guess...lols)
decision i mean in generality as in outcome...the Pac vs. Marquez although a draw, all of us whether for Pac or Marquez has an opinion one way or another with the Final Verdict also with Chavezvs. Sweet Pea...
Keep them comin guys...
Oh now I see i Put in the thread Title WINS....wat I mean to say FINAL VERDICT,......my bad....just saw it now..
My favorite Fighter Pac's wins are according to some from "SHOT" fighters as some people would call it and somehow they would argue that if only he fought them in their Prime he would not have beaten them.So as for me I could still say these wins are CONTROVERSIAL..NOT in the OUTCOME but In the CIRCUMSTANCES leading to the fight ...but for me it will not DIMINISH his GREATNESS or LEGACY...
This is also the same with the CALZAGHE vs ROY....I like ROY and i was rooting for him before the fight. If ROY would have been...
Both fighters are GREAT , I like them both and bound to hall of FAME, but though ROY is shot when CAL fought him it will in NO way diminish CAL's legacy...
dlh has had a few contraversial wins. but he isnt valid for the thread because he is not a "great" fighter.
I beg to disagree my friend...for all that is worth DELA HOYA gave us some memorable fights in our generation...FOBR all of these I consider him Great..
those are great samples....
Somehow i was thinkin of Leonard vs. Hagler and Sturm and Dela Hoya but somehow I forgot them (probably because of old age I guess...lols)
decision i mean in generality as in outcome...the Pac vs. Marquez although a draw, all of us whether for Pac or Marquez has an opinion one way or another with the Final Verdict also with Chavezvs. Sweet Pea...
Keep them comin guys...
You must be joking or something. For real that you dont know Benitez or Arguello or Gomez or Sanchez? If you dont know for real, thats sad. You must be new to the sport!!!. No offense
yah right you know what do you mean when you say "THROWBACK FIGHTER"?
last time i check in wikepdia the meaning isBenitez Arguello Gomez or Sanchez
Excellent thread.
I still have nightmares of the Hearns who fought DURAN in the Superwelterweight.....though Hopkins is a BIG nmiddleweight, if that was the HEARNS that would show up come fight time plus a few pounds for the middleweight limit....o MAN.....BOMBS AWAY.......
Hopkins had problems with the straight right=jab of Jermain and if that was TOMMY(duran fight version).... damn PEARL HARBOR and HIROSHIMA...
you see this is a good thread i was planning to make another thread myself but i just got so busy but oh well props to the thread starter...iwas born in the late seventees but i was introduced in the science of boxing early so for me the GOLDEN ERA of BOXING is the 80's
i choose MMH over Joe because of a simple word.... CHIN...if you cant hurt him your dead....
i cant get enough of this thread...
I think it was the nature of Oscar's performance. If he'd have looked as lively as he did against Mayweather or Forbes and still lost no one would have any complaints.
But Oscar wasn't even a shadow of his old self, he was listless, obviously very tense beforehand. Fighters can grow old overnight, but it is usually following a war in the ring which he simply hasn't had. I think thats why people are blaming the weight.
And PAC's first round/ second round/ 3rd round baffling tactics has nothing to do with it? his bobbing and weaving and speed and frustrating style for Oscar has nothing to do with it?
:fing02:
:(
Maangas ka ah. So sinasabi mo bang hindi man lng part si Floyd Sr. sa laban na yon?
init nman ng ulo mo SIR??// ano ba magagawa ko kung di ka marunong umintindi ng tanong....
Dude that's the closest I can think of.. hindi mo nmn sinagot ung tanong ko.. tingin mo walang part si Sr. sa fight na yon? buti nga nireplyan ko pa ung thread mo.. rude ba ung una kong reply? Ayos sagot mo ah.. 251 post since 2005, I bet nagpopost ka lng pag nananalo si Pacquiao.. typical nuthugger. Kya daming naasar sa mga pinoy eh.
ganun ba BOK....ok amf talaga pag MGA TALANGKA talaga bumanat oo...mga batch 2008.....humayo kayo at mag parami....kelan ba kayu naging BOXING FAN nun lumitaw na si PACQUIAO??? PERRY THE CRAB and RIGHT UPPER CUT TUA....geez....
what?
aside from me and jaycuban......nobody bothered to read this thread.
besides......for all we know she's lying to him. she might just be saying that to make him feel better.
your post are so insightful man ive read most of them and from what i see your a very good man full of wisdom alot of boxing fans are really going to learn from you....you are a well educated person...keep it up.....it just shows how much educated you are BOK....:fing02:
Roach was on OScar's corner when he fought Floyd. Jr.
2nd liner
3rd liner.
Is the question difficult to comprehend Sir?
ROACH vs. SR head to head match up as trainer and coach......not JR.
JR was trained by UNCLE ROGER in that fight...not SR...
ummm you gotta make the paul william fans happy... make a compromise
loser of the cotto vs. Marg gets Paul Williams....
If he wins he gets the proper respect and a big name fighter....setting him up for a bigger fight....lets admit most casual fans dont know paul wiiliams... a wins over the either of them he will command RESPECT and BIG FIGHTS
Holmes vs. Lewis HW LEWIS much bigger though of equal jab output plus he is more versatile
Tyson vs. Wlad Klitschko HW KLISTCHKOcan we just change this to VITALI:D its much more intriguing...its the CHIN
Michael Spinks vs. RJJ LHW RJJwhoa men RJJ need i say more in his PRIME?
Hagler vs. Calzaghe SMW HAGLER supermiddleweight of COURSE..CHIN i dont see Joe hurting him but not the same vice versa...
Hearns vs. Hopkins MW HEARNS too much fire power its like CARPET BOMBING...Its good to have a defensive strategy but if are you CARPET BOMBED what can strategies do?
Leonard vs Trinidad WWTRINIDADsame reasons..TOO MUCH fire power....
Duran vs. Mosley WW DURAN GRIT and TENACITY
Benitez vs. Margarito WWBENITEZTHROWBACK FIGHTER BOTH getting tagged but who hits the effective punch with equal power...chin not so much a factor since both have a good CHin
Cotto vs. Aaron Pryor JWWPRYOR GRIT AND TENACITY and CHIN again
Arguello vs. Mayweather LW MAYWEATHER TOO MUCH RING SMARTNESS AND GENERALSHIP
JCC vs. Pacquiao SFW PACQUIAO SPEED both are tenacious and HARD PUNCHERS but PAC has the SPEED...5 punches is better than 3 punches of equal intensity...
Azumah Nelson vs. Marco Antonio Barrera FW AZUMAH NELSON
too samrt for MARCO and besides MAB gets easily frustrated throwing evey plan to the BIN once frustrated...
Salvador Sanchez vs. Juan Manuel Marquez FW SALVADOR SANCHEZGRIT AND TENACITY and harder puncher......
Wilfredo Gomez vs. Israel Vazquez SBW GOMEZ CHIN and IZZY gets tagged ALOT in the RAFA fight...if it was GOMEZ he wont take it very long.....
SO I GOT....8-6 in favor of the winner by MAJORITY DECISIONNNNNNN
80's
I doubt mayweather wants anything to do with cotto/margarito at this stage.Not enough of a payday for him.
well even THE GREAT ALi who retired (forcibly at that) had to do a KEN NORTON before he fought FRAZIER who was the current CHAMPION at that time....GOING straight to the P4P king just because he WAS the previous king is not fair....HE has to earn his shot.....
manny blew it. he had the chance to call out floyd after the win but didnt. after he beats hatton he should call out floyd. no way is floyd going to fight cotto or mags. thats unrealistic. dont blame floyd either. it aint going to happen unless manny starts calling him out.
My friend it is very difficult to call out retired fighter. Youll never know his answer...
You see if Money may says he is bankable as he is, then he will get his money whomever he fights because as he say he is A DRAW...if he doesnt want to fight Cotto or Marg because as he say there's not so much money in it i believe that's nonsense..... Whomever he fights he will always have his money...If he is going for PAC after unretiring that full of shit in my honest opinion...I would agree that at this point the 2 welterweights are far more dangerous than PAC for PBF. But if he goes straight for PAC it only goes to show PBF picks easy fights for him....Though PAc is the P4P king and my favorite , the other 2 are far more dangerous fight for him.....He maybe good fighter, he may be the "best of the decade" but until now there is still a BIG question mark to it... not until he beats PAC...and if pac is willing to fight RICKY who is a dangerous as anyone can be , why could he do the same...It is what a FIGHTER of THE DECADE and a P4P KING should be.....
I dont know why people keep saying he dominated Forbes when he didnt, And to answer the threadstarter this is what internet has done to boxing.
yes it does..bring out people who cant be satisfied by great boxers..doing their best to give us real boxing fans a real treat....
props to dela hoya and pac in making the fight.....
as for people who keep saying PAC needs to beat MARG to solidify his ATG status, i guess beating a mexican in CRIS ARREOLA would make him more great..:wtf:
HAHA. Who the **** said Pac needs to beat Marg? That's hilarious!!! Whoever said that is a complete wanker and should watch tennis instead.
and some say PAC is not a warrior if he does not take the fight against MARG..ask MR. FEROCITY... maybe he knows who said that....hell according to him PAC maybe even on roids thats why he so ripped at a higher weight class...:hitit:
Agree 100%. It would be good for both, if Oscar wins then he leaves in a somewhat good note, n if jr wins then like u said its his coming out party. Oscar would be more dangurous than who he has been fighting anyways.
this is the reason i thought about this match
Oscar= farewell fight with not much danger...if he beats Jr. he beat rival and son...
JCC jr.=a good coming out party... a good name fighter and not so dangerous for him too if he is that old....
see 10 votes= 10 votes the match is equal even among the fight fans....