Based on his resume.
WHo he fought?, when he fought him?, under what circumstances?, and what was the result!!!!!!!!
so all-time p4p is the same as ATG?
...the fighters listed are all basically retired (I'm not sure about Casamayor, Castillo may as well be). If you want to start in that direction then Toney, Morales, Jones, Calzaghe, etc. all come into play. Which is why they weren't listed :ugh:
those four are shoo-ins
the thing with paquiao is that he redeemed himself by beating morales in the rematch. We know that pac is really the better man there. the best thing in pacquiao is that he comes all the way from being a flyweight champ. that alone secures his top 100 status no matter what happens in his next fights
pac is p4p king and no one can dispute that so far. oscar dela hoya had been p4p king before 96-99 but we all know that that is joke.
hearns losses his big fights and he didn't have a long prime.
as for pac. if he losses to hatton he bumps out of top 50. if he wins, he'll be top 20 and JMM enters top 100 assuming he beats diaz.
Well if that's the case then your list is missign Prince Naseem and Arturo Gatti among others.
you'd be surprise, but to me gatti would be in the HOF. but his resume, is not worthy of top 250
i based my criteria, on how the nba select his 50 greatest players, notice that they put emphasis on how the player contributes on the development and advancement of the sport. it's only 5% and i only used it to resolve close accomplishments. dela hoya and trinidad accompishments are almost the same. the popularity seems to be the tie breaker of the two..also the same reason why leonard is ahead of monzon and sweet pea. accomplishment wise, i thought pernell and monzon did a little bit more than ray leonard.
Nice list, bro.
Did you use a special modeling software to contruct your list (to work out the percentages and what not) or just plain Microsoft excel?
If so, can we see it?
it's not that scientific..i just list the top fighters per division and from there work my list. i consider resume, longetivity, dominance(talent). i start elaluating it when the boxers is already a contender and until the point the boxer is still elite in that era (probably top 100 p4p before the fight) thus the loss of delahoya to pacquiao still has merit in his rankings bec he is still top 100 p4p that time
I notice when you're breaking down how you measure fighters with all these percentages you don't mention pure skill/talent?
if i was to break it down into a percentage like you do i would do like, 50% Accomplishment, 35% Talent and 15% Impact
i like that criteria.
i put accomplishment and talent together..it's 80%
i would like to ask you how would you categorize the joe louis reign as the longest HW champ ever? is it part of accomplishment-50% or impact-15%
updated list...
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Sam Langford
6. Harry Greb
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Willie Pep
9. Roberto Duran
10. Archie Moore
11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Bob Fitzsimmons
15. Jack Johnson
16. Joe Gans
17. Carlos Monzon
18. Barney Ross
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Jimmy Wilde
21. Mickey Walker
22. Sandy Saddler
23. Julio Cesar Chavez
24. Alexis Arguello
25. Rocky Marciano
26. Gene Tunney
27. Roy Jones Jr
28. Lennox Lewis
29. Evander Holyfield
30. Bernard Hopkins
31. Jack Dempsey
32. Manny Pacquiao
33. Eder Jofre
34. Tony Canzoneri
35. Kid Gavilan
36. Salvador Sanchez
37. Ike Williams
38. Emile Griffith
39. Charley Burley
40. Floyd Mayweather Jr
41. Larry Holmes
42. Thomas Hearns
43. Jimmy McLarnin
44. Stanley Ketchel
45. Barbados Joe Walcott
46. Tommy Loughran
47. Michael Spinks
48. Ruben Olivares
49. Dick Tiger
50. Jose Napoles
51. Fighting Harada
52. Panama Al Brown
53. Tiger Flowers
54. Manuel Ortiz
55. Kid Chocolate
56. Wilfredo Gomez
57. Bob Foster
58. George Foreman
59. Joe Frazier
60. Jake LaMotta
61. Abe Attel
62. Billy Conn
63. Carmen Basilio
64. Carlos Ortiz
65. Aaron Pryor.
66. Terry McGovern
67. Tommy Ryan
68. Jim Jeffries
69. Ricardo Lopez
70. Jack Britton
71. Ted Kid Lewis
72. Carlos Zarate
73. Wilfred Benitez
74. Oscar De La Hoya
75. Felix Trinidad
76. Joe Brown
77. Shane Mosley
78. Luis Manuel Rodriguez
79. Pancho Villa
80. Joe Calzaghe
81. Harry Wills
82. Azumah Nelson
83. Erik Morales
84. Pascual Perez
85. Marco Antonio Barrera
86. Mike Tyson
87. Miguel Canto
88. Marcel Cerdan
89. Flash Elorde
90. Holman Williams
91. John Dundee
92. Mike McCallum
93. Antonio Cervantes
94. Nicolino Locche
95. George Dixon
96. Sonny Liston
97. Packey McFarland
98. Khaosai Galaxy
99. Benny Lynch
100. Freddie Welsh
if i put cesar chavez that high, pernell should be a level higher than him. he is the closest thing we have since willie pep..PBF is not in their league..
i cannot rate lopez in the top 60 because he never faces an ATG. He is in the same league as calzaghe and galaxy. lopez is the best fighter in a division with shallow history. he is not like jimmy wilde to remains to be the best flyweight for a century now. he is still the standard for measuring the flyweights..
i put oscar higher than tito because of his PPV bucks. had tito and oscar had the same popularity, i would put oscar at 75. mainstream appeal is what oscar had and is the same reason why some of the HW is a little bit higher in my list
Harada is an amazing fighter. Truly amazing. He was one of the few main unified world champs who was utterly undisputed for a long time. He's the only guy to beat the legendary Eder Jofre, and he did it twice! He has also beaten the great Pone Kingpetch (who beat the great Pascal Perez, also twice), among many others. That's a lot of really fine fighters.
He's most often underrated by people. He is a brilliant fighter and well deserving of his place. I don't think he's one of the guys on the list that you can say is not deserving of that high a place because he has earned it, but opinion could have him lower and most often does, though it's not at all wrong.
he beat a weight drained jofre by SD in japan
PPV numbers indicate Oscar contribution to the sport..being great also entails having mainstream appeal...well, thats only 5%.
my criteria is 80% accomplishment, 15% timeliness(in comparision with other boxers in different era) and 5% mainstream appeal...i think oscar gained 5 steps up in that 5%..oscar and trinidad fight was close and they almost have the same career and resume
give respect to pac..he may not be great h2h with other legends but the guy comes all the way from flyweight. it's like tommy hearns being a featherweight champ..