Can all ****ing nuthuggers stop posting?!!!!!
Stupid posts like 4:0 haye or 4:0 wlad is throwing everyone off... I don't have access to tv and want a true score
Haye tastes Wlad's power and stays the f-k away from him picking his shots in fear of getting KO'ed. Turns into an Ibragimov fight to a boring win by Wlad...
Later Haye says that this was because his hand got injured and he couldn't land his (left or right.. whichever hand is hurt) and continues to trash talk that he had a close decision with a so called "champion" fighting with one hand... "peeleft:
I think he'll switch to southpaw often throughout the early rounds and try to land something big. But I don't think he will. I think Wlad takes it by a 9th or 10th stoppage.
That's Haye's best bet... that is to pull a Corrie Sanders. Only difference is Wlad was absolutely not ready for Sanders and got clocked by a total surprise. No one can say that Wlad is not ready for this fight and whatever Haye has to bring.
The best man will win!
Haye tastes Wlad's power and stays the f-k away from him picking his shots in fear of getting KO'ed. Turns into an Ibragimov fight to a boring win by Wlad...
Later Haye says that this was because his hand got injured and he couldn't land his (left or right.. whichever hand is hurt) and continues to trash talk that he had a close decision with a so called "champion" fighting with one hand... "peeleft:
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I've never seen Vlad so pissed and so determined... F-k Haye!
pathetic crybaby!
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if post-fight Haye smashed his toe with a hammer LOL
Must be so embarrassing to have the world laughing at you, including your countryman
90's were more competitive, though not by a great deal. Remember the 90's were considered a poor batch too.
The past decade has had about the Klitscko brothers at the top, with guys like Haye, Adamek, Chageav, Peter and Povetkin etc just below.
The 90's had Lewis, Holyfield and Riddick Bowe at the top, with old but still entertaining Tyson and Foreman, Chris Bryd, David Tua, Frank Bruno, Andrew Golota, Michael Moorer, Hasim Rahman etc just below
And which of these decisively beat Wlad?
Lewis??? Maybe, maybe not... remember he got KTFO by Rahman.
Who are the HW's from the 80's that would Decisively beat Wlad?
Again, Tyson who cleaned up the division is 5'10. Yes he knocked out tall guys - who were BUMS and are nothing compared to either Wlad or Vitali.
Yep I know, you seem to believe Wladimir's fights in the past decade were harder than those faced by the champions of the 1990's.
I'm saying you are wrong. I have argued why I believe it was harder in the 1990's, no one has put forward a valid arguement for why I might by mis-informed.
Because no one seems to understand what you're talking about... do you even know what you're talking about? You may think one thing but unable to formulate your thoughts that it's clear to all.. Not only that, you seem to be mislead by other posts that you read, unable to capture the meaning..
I think I know what the problem is... There is a disconnect between the chair and the keyboard.
As for my thread.. once again, the point was that today's HW's are not any worse than they were 10-15 years ago... people say that the division sucks, but I think it's because the Klitschkos are just so superior, they make everyone else look like garbage.
And you're start talking about the depth of the division, quality of fights, etc.. WTF are you talking about? Re-read the posts
this era is filled with fat slop.......
larry holmes takes both of the klit bums apart........
how can you put the klit brothers as top 10 heavyweights when fighters such as larry holmes are far above them?????
the klits FEAST on SLOP.
(this is what a REAL heavyweight looks like)
What are you showing here, an all time great is fighting a BUMB with a padded record who beat up a bunch of nobodies or smaller guys AND lost ALL of his major fights?
This is target practice for Holmes, landing at will, lands everything he throws... and yet he couldn't put him out in 15 rounds.
Do you honestly think Randall Cobb would last even 6 rounds with either Klitschko?
Don't Hate.
what he was saying is that 90% of the guys the klitschkos beat would probabley lose to ruiz
not "klitschkos fought 90% of the guys ruiz fought"
That's like saying that 90% of wins of ANY HW BOXER IN HISTORY don't beat Wlad. And that's a legitimate statement.
Any champion has a handful or two of career defining fights... the rest of the wins are just to "get there". (there may be some exceptions for lighter weight classes, e.g. Pac, who's been dominating one weight class after the next... but in HW, there is nowhere to go :) )
Yes, all those fighters are worse than Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Andrew Golota, Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Frank Bruno, and the other fringe contenders that Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, and Lewis beat. Hell 90% of the fighters the Klitschkos beat couldn't even beat John Ruiz at his best.
If you are actually watching Klitschko fights and thinking that what you are seeing compares to even the level of skill shown in fights in the late 80s or 90s, then you are a nuthugger.
I stopped reading about here... :clap:
All you have to do is watch. No one today can even slip a jab or work the body. They have no variety in their skillset. The 90s were far from a great golden era of heavyweights, but even the lesser contenders that the best heavyweights beat easily had fights where they displayed skills and stamina many of the best fighters today do not.
You say "nostalgiatards" don't come up with good arguments, when Klitschkos nuthuggers just say "he was small" and "athletes are better now" without ever making arguments yourself defending just how unskilled heavyweights today are. We're not talking about the Klitschkos or saying they have no skill or talent, but their opponents are often horrendous.
Give me your list of Top 10 HW from the 80's and top 10 fromthe 90's please.
Yes, all those fighters are worse than Tommy Morrison, Razor Ruddock, Andrew Golota, Ray Mercer, Chris Byrd, Frank Bruno, and the other fringe contenders that Holyfield, Tyson, Bowe, and Lewis beat. Hell 90% of the fighters the Klitschkos beat couldn't even beat John Ruiz at his best.
If you are actually watching Klitschko fights and thinking that what you are seeing compares to even the level of skill shown in fights in the late 80s or 90s, then you are a nuthugger.
I didn't know that Klitschko fought at least 90% of same guys as Ruiz...
hmmm there is something I learn every day. :rolleyes:
The 2000's had 2 elite fighters. Neither will fight each other, with good reason.
The 1990's era had 4 elite fighters, Lewis, Holyfield, Bowe and Tyson, who fought each other on several occasions.
Holyfield fought all 3 elite contenders, having 7 fights against them
Lewis fought Holyfield twice and Tyson once.
Tyson fought Holyfield twice and Lewis once.
Bowe fought Holyfield 3 times.
So the 1990's had a trilogy of fights between Holyfield and Bowe, 2 between Tyson and Holyfield and 2 between Holyfield and Lewis That's 7 fights between the division's elite.
The 2000's had Lewis vs Tyson and Lewis vs Vitali. So that's 2 fights between the divisions elite. And neither of those were between that generations true elite fighters.
So there were far more elite fights in the 1990's
It's not the Klits fault that their only real contender was blood related. But that's the reality.
You can't say Wlad had tougher challenges than he would have done in the 1990's, cos if he wanted to dominate in the 90's he would have had to fight several fights against elite opposition. He has dominated the past decade with 0 fights against elite opposition.
So please explain to me how this is tougher?
No one is comparing the quality of fights.... of course those fights were more entertaining and will always be a classic... I'm talking about the quality of boxers.
Today's, as you call them, "Elite" fighters fights smarter and minimize the risk of getting KOed. (after all, this is what boxing is... hit and don't get hit) HOWEVER, YES! This is NOT as pleasing to us the fans... But does this mean that if two guys won't stand in the middle of a ring and try to knock each other's heads off automatically mean they SUCK? NO! Just more strategic.
Comparing Haye running his mouth to Ali (before the Foreman fight) Foreman tried to knock Ali's head off... and Ali was there to fight... what did we see this weekend? Haye's talk talk talk and when the time fight came, it was a chess game.
Marciano actually had Hof's on his resume he beat.name 1 on Vitali's
That's 'cause most are still active fighters. No one was a HOF when Marciano beat them either :rotfl:
Hell yes he is... KO'ing a bunch of bums is a much greater achievement than anything Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali ever accomplished
Cry me a river Justin... :nana:
i dont get why asking a simple question makes people mad
Totally.. Why jump to "Hater" / "Nuthugger" labeling?
I actually wanted to know as well as I didn't see the post-fight interviews.
Was it a slip or did his knee get injured?
The fight would have been more pleasing had Vitali disposed of him in a few rounds and KO'd him and truly showed his greatness but like always chose to fight like a robot and stretch out the fight and put on a borefest.
Did Pacquiao decide to carry Hatton, no he took him out in the 2nd in thrilling fashion. Donaire took out Montiel in the 2nd round as well to show him he's the man. Martinez killed Williams and got KO of the year. ect.
Do you even know how much Joe Louis typically weighed and the comp. he faced? You're a total retard who knows nothing about boxing. :wank:
Borefest? I think your hatred is leading to a bias opinion. Why did you even bother to watch the fight? In all fairness, I thought the fight was more than average.
If Vitali was to get rid of him in 2, he would get ZERO credit and the likes of you would be saying it was a total mismatch and he beat a much smaller LHW. He at least mad the fight somewhat competitive while dominating every round and pleasing the crowd.
i watched the fight with my friend who probably hasnt seen a boxing fight since the tyson days.. and man boy o boy did this fight get him mad or what he was screaming at the tv KNOCK HIM OUT ALREADY !! you dont just go as many rounds as you can you want to look spectacular as possible by getting your opponent out of there asap man this fight changed my tune about vitali and his killer instinct. if anything he looked like a shell of himself but with his size still dominant.
I agree with you and at the same time I'm not....
It was pleasing to see the 5'10 Tyson KTFO 6'3 guys in 3 rounds... And the fans loved it!
But if a much bigger guy does it it's automatically labeled as a mismatch. Also he needed to give Adamek's fans some kind of a show given he was fighting in his backyard.
Name a heavyweight that they fought that if they retired today would be in the hof
None! and that is because the Klitschkos are completely dominating the division. Who's to say that after their reign is over... one of their "wins" emerges and takes over the division and becomes a HOF?
It would make sense to have this discussion in the next decade.
Arreola: "I think David Haye has a very good shot, I'm going with David Haye. He moves very good and he throws good combinations. I think he's going to give Wladimir something different to look at, something that he hasn't seen in a very, very long time so I'm giving it up to David Haye."
Wlad has see it all... Peter, Chambers, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Brock, Brewster, Byrd.... What's Haye got to bring that Wlad hasn't seen in his 58 pro fights?