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As long as it doesnt happen when Wilders is near 40yrs old(currently 34 I believe). I see them go at it with cautious avoidance and not fully commit to anything very loose or unpredictable. With that being being the "tempo" of the fight, I think Joshua has too many advantages over Wilder in order to put rounds in the bank. IMO, it would be the most important life changing fight for both and I feel that both(more so with Joshua) would be very hesitant to put themselves in a position to get caught and lose. Mid to late fight I think Wilder will be backed into a "hail mary" corner where a KO will be his only chance of winning and will go for broke. Problem is that I see him taking too much punishment in the first half of the fight and will lose a lot of his speed and snap and Joshua will be able to take advantage thereby getting either a thunderous KO(reminiscent of Dillian Whyte) or a referee stoppage TKO(reminiscent of Klitchsko). But I could also see Wilder getting lucky and connecting on a big right hand during an exchange in the same "hail mary" scenario. My money would have to lean with the younger, proven, fundamentally sound and improving fighter though. Win or lose, I'm confident I wont be dissapointed with the outcome.

Well, I'm not too familiar with the UK boxing scene and how their fighters generally tend to speak about their peers, but it could be any number of reasons including the truth, professional jealousy, what promoter or affiliation they have, they are told to, personal beef with a fighter they criticize, to gain media exposure by saying what is a trending current topic (whether it be true or false), or they, just like some fans have formed a unique bond with the fighter they hold as faultless. The ones that fought Wilder do so in the attempt to raise their "status" to be percieved as a valid dangerous opponent worthy of being ducked. As is the case with Fury, IMO I dont believe it would be in Tyson Furys best interest if he stated that Deontay Wilder is a ducker and cherry picker and the rational reason he chose to fight me having no title opposed to Joshua and having a chance to be the next undisputed American HW champ since Riddick Bowe was because I was 100's of poounds overweight, recovering from a battle with drugs and depression, had not laced em up for nearly 2 1/2 yrs, I've garnered a reputation that for a man of my stature I posess the devastating power of pillows in both fists, and my comeback consisted of 2 fights against bottom tier opponents where I physically looked as if I was a real life humpty dumpty as opposed to the elite level fighter I once was before I fell off the scene. Or would it?

This probably goes against a lot of opinions I'm sure, but from watching quite a few of Wilders past fights, a couple things caught my attn the most. Its common knowledge where the power comes from, and its always mentioned as "x needs to avoid his right hand". For a southpaw like Ortiz, it was more of a natural movement to circle out and away creating more distance being hit with a bomb. My gameplan for success would consist of.... #1pressuring Wilder from the opening bell #2 utilize good head movement and focus on keeping the hands up #3 AVOID THE LEFT HAND and step to his right. 1 and 2 is a given so I'll explain #3 more. Many of Wilders KO punch has followed a similar pattern and his power is IMO generated specifically from his length and athleticism to "windmill" it to generate a high velocity towards the target. And the reason I say avoid the left is that it occured to me that not only is his left used for his jab, but he uses it as his range finder for his right and his good handspeed enables him to follow his left almost simultaneously with his right power swing shot. Thats the 2 secs. of being perfect I believe he mentioned. When he swings power shots only with his right and without the left lead, he seems very off with his range. He did exactly the same with breazeale. Playback Breazeale, Spilka, Duhaupas, Liakhovic, Harrison, Firtha, Molina the list goes on. His lead left is literally still within inches from the opponents head when he throws and connects with the right. Shorten the distance from his right hand and he loses the positioning to generate his usual KO shot velocity and avoid letting him use his left as a guide for his right hand in my opinion can help nullify his bread and butter. The other thing that got my attn was that quite a number of his KO were assisted by punches towards the back of the head. I dont think it was intentional then it was more a result of his length and windmill swing plane.

wilder is the b-side...clearly...b-sides don't make offers the one offer they made was done after AJ said, on camera, that a specific number was what it would take....and then wilders team came up with that number and proved they had it for AJ otherwise hearn made lowball flat fee offers....one that was 12.5 to fight in the UK..and wilder actually accepted provided hearn could guarantee it in 2018....hearn couldn't/wouldn't and when they asked he said "april 2019"...which was the one thing wilder had asked not to happen lol the "most money" is a projected number...we all know that projections are rarely 100 percent accurate...sometimes things fall below expectations...sometimes they surpass....but trust this...both teams have done their market research in both markets...in the US and UK...awhile back there were even articles where wilders team actually reached out to frank warren to do market research and projections on a fight in the UK.....both teams have estimations in mind but I can tell you this...the momentum for this fight is building huge....and it will sell well on us ppv even at 80-100 a pop....it doesn't belong on an app that might not even be able to handle it and claims they wanna charge 10-20 bucks..... yeah charging 10-20 bucks sounds great for the fans....for poor people....but whats to stop them from doing a fight party where 10 people pay 2 bucks a pop? lol....same as would happen if people had a fight party for the 80-100 dollar price..... the fighters don't really care about the fans....they are in it to make the most money they can....and im fairly certain wilders team has done their research and realize theyd likely be losing money fighting on that app as opposed to US ppv...this fight is getting bigger by the day Well, thats kind of what I'm getting at. If you agree that clearly Wilder is the B side, you would have to question the validity of his demands for a 50/50 split wouldnt you? And again, in what context is it considered that the 12.5mill offer to Wilder is "lowball"? At the time, I believe Wilders largest purse was a couple million at best was it not? Im not sure of the precise amount, but lets assume it was 3mill. 12.5mill is over 4 times larger than that. So in respect to his earnings up to that point in time it would be a huge "pay raise" rather than a "pay cut" wouldnt it? And as far as location, its pretty standard for the A side to have the advantage of deciding. And since you would agree Wilder is clearly the B side, how exactly is it percieved that Wilder not only got lowballed but that he also has the higher position to choose the fight location as well?? I agree with your thoughts that projections are rarely accurate and add they can be very misleading dependant on what metrics are being used to make a projection. Im not questioning what the fight can possibly generate or what was done by whom in order to gain a perspective. As a longtime fight fan, I'm not as optimistic as you are that the fight is gaining huge momentum. I would say the jury is still out and would do huge PPV #'s, bigger than what we have witnessed in recent years I'm sure, but wouldnt be all that shocked if it was the contrary. And it seems a bit nonsensical to me that you would claim the fight "doesn't belong on an app". If the argument is that not everyone uses or are familiar with apps, I would rebutt that a similar amount if not more people do not have cable access or PPV access. And what is what exactly are you referring to when you state that "it might not be able to handle it"? Are you implying that they don't have the network resources to handle global distribution(are you aware that lease options for network solutions are available from all major communication backbones to cover literally the worlds entire urban population), or are you stating that they lack the proper workforce and production savvy to coordinate the event properly? I believe DAZN is a major player in Europe, and Asia for the regions major sports so it would surprise me to think they are incapable of ogranizing big events. "For poor people" IMO truly is lacking in respect for all walks of life and also irrational to be a valid argument of why it costs $10-$20 as opposed to $80-$100 on PPV. For starters, its not as if the fighters are not being generously and comparably compensated in comparison to PPV projections. And there are people in this world who are fight fans that are not able to earn as much money as some others are fortunate enough to earn. To you maybe $80-$100 is a "drop in the bucket" but that same amount could be someones entire weeks pay and cannot consider it as a frivolous entertainment expense. Irrational because you seem to be implying that as a paying consumer who is not "poor people", you prefer to pay more for the same product/service in spite of it being offered to you for considerably less. So Im going to naively assume you hypothetically would have no problem paying for a Chevy truck at a dealer lot for $80k when theres another Lot offering the same exact truck for $20k. I earn enough to provide for my family and live comfortably without want, but if I could save $50-$80 for something(especially on personal entertainment), I would look in the mirror and slap myself if I didnt take advantage of it. Thats just me. I dont believe its that extreme that fighter dont care about the fans. But who knows what exactly could be going through their minds really? Not me to determine that. I will disagree again about Wilders team losing money. In essence, if you are guaranteed more money in your pocket right now than you've recieved in total for your entire career, no matter if its "projected" to be worth $1billion, you are earning, not losing. The only reason that would make someone actually believe they are losing in that scenario is greed.

"i wont sell my soul for 50 million" so wilder didnt sell his for an extra 10 or whatever wilder will make more than the 40 when they fight...and he wont be held to DAZN(unless something dramatic changes and showtime and fox go out of boxing) have hearn and company ever once come with a fair split deal and said were ok with vegas and us ppv? which si the best deal for both guys as they will make most money? nope...everything was either lowball flat fees and then a deal where wilder had to sign himself over and fight on an app no one really has where theyll charge 10-20 bucks for his fight with AJ I take it that you are adamantly opposed to paying "10-20 bucks for his fight with AJ" and would rather you along with the rest of the paying public pay 100 or whatever more it would cost so that you can help line the pockets of those involved, because multi million dollars for one man is insulting to begin with? And Wilder just fought Breazeale on Showtime and is looking to fight next on Showtime with his previous fights on Showtime......yet he felt it necessary to claim he is a free agent, followed by an offer for 3 fights on another platform which was worth nearly five times more than his career earnings total for 41 fights and felt it was BS to try and "handcuff" him to a platform for more than 1 fight? OOO K, I think I'm beginning to see the truth now!

if AJ fights wilder off DAZN then they are pissed at hearn...and if AJ loses to wilder off DAZN, without DAZN having rights on wilder, then hearn has NOTHING of value to bring DAZN cept some fringe names if wilder loses haymons roster still has value! you idiotic AJ fans cant understand wilders "current pay" means nothing in this situation because he wouldn't be fighting any of his past or current foes....AJ is his own separate entity..hes not Ortiz...hes not fury...hes not stiverne and hes not Washington....hes AJ....you throw wilders old pay and current pay out the window that's like saying "Charles martins previous high payday was 300k....why on earth would anyone pay him 6 million"...lol....martin wasn't fighting any of his previous opponents...he was fighting AJ......its too hard for you guys to grasp that wilders value vs everyone else is not the same as his value to a fight with AJ......its simple yet still way over your heads One of my many character defects is that I like to see the proper context thats been omitted applied to statements that seem slightly propaganda ish and attempting to try and cast a certain spin. It has been verified that the DAZN offer to Wilder was in fact for 3 Fights(with both money and opponents guaranteed) first being against Breazeale since it was already scheduled to take place, and the 2 remaining was for Joshua and a subsequent rematch win or lose for both fighters. DAZN was not making making an attempt to have rights over Wilders future fights after the rematch. IMO, the Breazeale fight was included primarily because it was already set to be Wilders next fight and again this is IMO, give a big incentive on top of the already huge guarnantees for both Joshua fights to persuade Wilder to sign for the fight. Matchrooms stable is nowhere near as deep as PBC I agree, but to say that they only have some fringe names is grasping quite a bit to support your scenario. I may have missed some news if the following are no longer with Matchroom, but I remember Usyk, Smith, Kelly, Haney, Bivol, Katie Taylor, Andrade, Farmer, Hooker, Jacobs, Gasiev, Rungvisai, Roman, Brook, Whyte, Vargas as being on their roster....Im sure I'm missing a few other highly touted fighters that can be added. You're suggesting that these are "some fringe names"? And to the contrary, what the "projected" amount they could possibly get for the fight has nothing to do with what their "worth is", THAT IS the reason why PPV fights are negotiated with a modest/slightly generous guarantee(generally bit more than their best purse to date) for both fighters and then they add THE % SPLIT to be used to represent their earnings "POTENTIAL". If hypothetically the fight sold 0 PPV buys and only has the gate, do you rationally believe that they still will/should be paid the "projected revenues"? Just as my hypothetical scenario can be said to be "unrealistic" the same argument can be made about the "projected" $100-$300mill PPV buys everyone is clamoring about. Its the fighters proven track record(past to current prize money earned) that determines what they are worth and you keep making insults towards Joshua fans, when you make statements that are on the same idiotic level you seem to loathe. You can survey the whos who of boxing from fighters to promoters to media and I can confidently trust the consensus would be that DAZNs GUARANTEED Offer for $100mill for the 3 fights is ridiculous money and unprecedented. Lastly, at the time Joshua and Martin fought, although Joshuas marketability was quickly rising, he was still just another top contender and Martin was the champ. And its not relevant what may be said of Martin, he was the Holder of the title and Joshua had none and was technically the B side challenger(Yes, the B side does make offers contrary to your assertions) so they offered Martin a generous amount in order to get the opportunity to claim the title and ability to flex A side muscle in the future. And to clarify, offers made to Wilder have never been close to what he was earning, they were substantially higher just as Martins offer was.

have we once seen AJs side come to the table and say "lets do a fair split and an outlet that works for both of us and makes us both the most money"??? NOPE...not once two lowballs from hearn...both accepted then hearn pulled back.... not once has AJs side said "lets do a fair split and the outlet that makes us both the most money...you can stay where you are...well stay over here but lets make this happen".... everyone knows vegas and US ppv is where the best money is at....yet not once have we heard hearn and AJs side willing or offering that.... Unless Im mistaken, only one supposed offer was made by Team Wilder to Joshua, which was the infamous $50mill. I've always been under the impression that when a fighter pursues a fight, they make an offer, a counter offer, and maybe another round of it before they usually abandon it for the time being, which is what I viewed as Team Joshua had done. Also you mentioned multiple times about a "fair split" and offers that "makes us both the most money..." And what exactly is the "most money" for both of them being compared to? Is it some imaginary number that is acceptable only if the mass majority agreed it was? Is it a number based on speculation that it be comparable to the "biggest" in history? Or is it a number that is percieved when taking into account each fighters biggest purse to date? Normally, fight revenue splits are based from the past up to current marketabilty and revenue generated by each fighter and the possible revenue projected to be earned as a direct result of the proven history with certain guarantees being made that each would earn more than they had previously. Lets say you and I run two of the biggest burger joints in our city, and you consistently made $100 a day and I consistently made $20 a day and we came about to merge our operations projecting future earnings of $200 a day. If I were to agree on the condition we split 50/50, who is making out in the deal?? Lets say the number is $400 at 50/50 who then?? We'd both be making more than we had on our own for sure, but I'd be making 10x more where you'd only be making 2x. Does that seem to be a "fair" and Rational split for us? Remember, that still "makes us both the most money". Lastly, lets say I propose that $400 is childs play, that we can make $1000000 a day and the way we go about it is to overcharge the customers for the burgers. Same split and you went from successful $100 a day guy to $50k a day guy and me $20 to $50k. Sooner or later the customers are gonna get a bit upset IMO

LMAO😂!!! THANK YOU! All the frustration from having to listen to everything other than the fight is signed for was giving me a headache. This definitely gave me some relief and a big laugh that was long over due!

Absolutely agree (not about the black guys comment). A minority of posters just deluge the board with thread after thread.post after post of just basic attacking worthless biased extreme posts pushing their agenda, if called out on rubbish which is just flat out verifiable wrong or ridiculously biased they justify it by claiming they are righting some perceived slight by someone doing a similar thing from the "other" side. And they aren't wrong, for every one eyed biased ***** poster there is no doubt someone on the other side doing the same. The problem is in total it just causes a complete sh#t show where reasonable discussion is drowned by this ridiculous rubbish, which causes the tone to be pushed further to the extremes and a downward spiral ensues. Or maybe it has always been this bad, I lurked for a while before joining but it seems to be reaching a tipping point for me, without some decent moderation can't see ending well. I can totally see what you describe. And it is a very peculiar dynamic that seems escalate in every topic that I've read during my short time here. And you mentioned moderation which I've heard about moderators in/for forums along with actually "rules" in place regarding "community conduct", so does this site not have something like that? I'm a part of the few that never read fine print or just instant click next/finished to get to where I want to get online. So ya, I ask because I probably missed anything that might have mentioned it when I signed on.😬

No, it's not just you. Black guys just ruin this site. But also, they are biggers supporters of the sport so you won't see this being corrected. Before I joined this forum I was a fan of Golovkin and other fighters, including Wilder, which was a "prospect" back then and I liked his raw power. I came here and saw that Golovkin was being hated. And same for other non-black fighters. They were hated for silly reasons. This also caused a reaction and some non-black posters also hate a bit on black posters, but never as much as the black guys hating on white or euro fighters. There's racism involved here, xenofobia as well. A bit of hate for european fighters and so on. The bad behavior is also a general behavior now on Internet. It happened after 2008 in almost all forums I visit. Slowly the hate took over internet. I've seen this on Tennis forums I read too. TBH that sounds absolutely ridiculous, but in some odd way a plausible explanation when compared to a lot of the garbage I've read. I'm hesitant to feel relieved that someone could relate to my perception if this is actually a part of the picture thats on the wall. I was in my mid college years when AOL chat rooms sprouted to help evolve the net of today so I'm not too familiar with the online community/environment TBH. It's troubling to hear that we seem to be taking massive leaps backwards as a society with technology taking massive leaps forward. Would be nice if we didnt take the sport backwards a at least. 😒 I appreciate the insight however alarming it may be. Thanks👍

Thanks for the encouragement! Luckily I kinda eased up on reading the forums and just stick to the. News articles/announcements, but felt compelled to post this question after browsing the topics page to find the same genre of fodder. Again, maybe its just me, but I would find a debate over x boxers style vs x boxer style and their hypothetical implementation in said matchup over profanity laced arguments why x boxer is a coward and why x boxer is sliced bread. LOL

It's not just you bro. What you wrote is the reality of Alot of threads on this forum. I can understand one or two troll threads but threads all day trying to mock a fighters accomplishments just for not being the right colour or the right nationality is childish and not worth reading to be honest. I try not to get involved with these threads and we all know which ones they are. Don't let a few racists destroy your pleasure with being involved with this boxing community. Their are still Alot of good posters to gain knowledge and talk boxing with. Sorry, forgot to " " your response to my previous reply. Did I mention I'm not to internet savvy?? 😁

I must say that reading the arguments against Saudi Arabia for the fight location has me questioning the general publics ability to think and evaluate situations rationally and logically. Not only do some argue that Anthony Joshua(an athlete) and his team should play politicians and speak out against Saudia Arabias human rights record when there's no outcry for the actual politicians to do so, but there are those who are steadfast in the belief that a contract can and should be reneged on when in hindsight it can benefit a signer. And the whole US safety advisory, do people realize what other countries are Level 2 just like Saudi Arabia? The UK, Italy, France, Germany, Phillipines, Hong Kong, South Africa, Jamaica, Mexico just to list a few. Come on folks, I'd like to believe all of us are better than this.

So this upcoming Wilder vs Ortiz 2 is headlining as a PPV?? Hmmmm, I wouldnt hesitate to buy it if it were Wilder vs Whyte, or hell Wilder vs Povetkin, Wilder vs Pulev, Wilder vs Parker even but a rehash with an Ortiz who looked a mere shell of his former self of 5-6 yrs ago? I may consider it if it was set on a lazy Sunday evening for $1.99 -$5.99 maximum. More than likely looks like I'll be missing the fight.

AJ isn't Canelo though. And the IBF stripped G for not fighting Deryvechenko while waiting for Canelo. But that's just one way AJ could get stripped of the IBF. Another would be if the IBF and WBO call their mandatories at the same time. That's more rare, but it has happened (and don't be surprised to see it once Arum gets into the WBO's ear) I agree Joshua is not Alvarez, but he is pretty damn near him at close second with a huge gap between him and the third. And technically, GGG situation had more to do with Deryvenchenko had been mandatory for nearly a year while GGG tried to finalize the Alvarez fight, then the PED suspension caused for another delay. The IBF actually even granted an exception to GGG for the Martirosyan fight. Im just guessing here, but I believe the IBF wanted the mandatory fight following Martirosyan assuming that the Alvarez rematch would be much later not anticipating such a short suspension from the NSAC. I dont doubt anything for a sec. Like they say, its boxing anything can happen. LOL

Ruiz better believe that Joshua will be jabbing and moving all night long. He's not gonna stand and trade like in the first fight. Ruiz will have to chase Joshua down. If he waits to counter in exchanges he'll have a long night in there, Joshua isn't the perfect boxer/mover, but he can do enough of it to beat someone that heavy on his feet like Ruiz, we saw that in the first couple of rounds already before Joshua got reckless. Hopefully both come in prepared, i'm starting to lean towards Joshua as I feel like Ruiz isn't having the right mentality about the whole thing. I see the rematch I bit similar but you definitely "hit the nail on it's head" regarding the first few rds of the 1st fight and it definitely plays into the rematch also. Ruiz footwork isnt on equal ground as his handspeed, and IMHO his ACTUAL handspeed isnt all that impressive either. Its his ability to throw his "punches in bunches" conbinations that gives the appearance he has fast hands. Up until the point Joshua got hit with the infamous "punch from the gods", he was beating Ruiz Jr. he was nearly always beating him "to the punch". I've been hearing mostly about how Joshua needs to fight "long and tall", or he's going to need to "run" or needs to make sweeping changes for rematch, but I personally don't think its all that complicated. IMO if he implements a couple things, he should end up breaking down Ruiz Jr to win and even possibly a late KO/TKO. And it does involve fighting inside as so many seem to suggest he needs to avoid like the plague.😁 Fight the fight like the beginning of the 1st fight, "tiddied up" of course. He needs to mix in pivoting around Ruiz Jr. more rather than just backstep away, then he can keep him off rhythm and guessing more. Joshua's feet are quick enough to take advantage, and Ruiz Jr. finds success with exchanges while opponents are backing off and he lunges forward with his combinations. Pick his spots for short exchanges inside with a tighter guard and dont get careless like in the 1st fight. When Joshua knocked Ruiz Jr down for the 1st time in his career, it was during a crisp, short inside exchange. He has the skills and ability to beat Ruiz Jr inside also. IMO, he just needs to avoid being careless and staying in the pocket for extended exchanges. Also, I'd like to say to the countless people that are adamant Ruiz Jr. Repeats in the same fashion and that Joshua has been "exposed"............ Evidently the bookmakers around the globe have failed to heed your predictions even after having witnessed the 1st fight. Hmmmm, makes you wonder how those idiots can make money right?? 😅

In regards to the debate over who's worth what tying in also to which side seems to be avoiding an actual matchup(and not constantly bringing it up to the media). I ask that we seriously consider the following statements... "First it was $12.5mill, then it was $15mill..... I know in time its going to get even bigger" "I have the best team behind me...These guys have been in the business for over 60 years combined"(paraphrasing) "Listen, what he have on our side is history, and history tells us we made the right decision..."(paraphrase) "Kings chase kings, I want Joshua" "They wouldnt tell us what Joshua is getting" "We would have taken that fight for $15mill" Be patient and let us do what we need to do in order for us to make it the biggest fight and make the most money possible......" There's quite a few more, but hopefully these are enough examples for my closing statement. Its been well repeated by both Wilder and Finkel that his team has concern for the best interest for Wilder, and that they also have the best/most experience in the business and that their history proves it. IMO, with those statements in mind, it reinforces my conclusion that there is absolutely no possible reason for me to believe that Team Wilder would have signed for a fight back then and even now because it would completely go against their self proclaimed experience and history. So they basically backed themselves "between a rock and a hard place". Either their past statements are true and they are full of it now and are surprisingly inexperienced and not very intelligent, or the past statements are basically lies and orchestrated as a plan based on their successful history, yrs of experience and intelligence to try and make the most money possible for themselves.

And I feel like a broken record saying this, but the IBF mandatory will be Joshua's next fight. IBF doesn't bend their rules. Last year when Eddie was saying "we need to know in a week or we will be forced to fight Povetkin" had people rolling their eyes because it was the WBA. If it was the IBF people would have been like "yeah, fair enough, Eddie's right" Instead what would likely happen if they signed a contract to fight next, Joshua would get stripped of his IBF title for "ducking" Pulev, and we'd get some stupid match of Pulev vs Kabayel for the IBF title, then Wilder or Fury (likely Fury) would cherry pick that belt. Don't get me wrong, a belt on all 3 guys would be ideal but that's still a BS scenario IBF does it all the time. Stripped Fury for rematching Wlad and had a vacant title fight of Martin vs Glazkov. They follow their own rules to a bloody fault If I'm not mistaken, the WBA at the time had put in the order approx. 1mo. Prior to the one week you mentioned and that was reported to be in lieu of Hearn asking for more time to try and get the Wilder fight done. Yes the IBF is not as pliable when it comes to ordering their mandatories, but we've seen recently they will bend a little depending on the fighters marketability(Canelo and Deryvechenko). And as far as Joshua vs Wilder, it would have been for undisputed, which has trumped mandatories throughout boxings history since the advent of the numerous "governing bodies". Which leads me to want to add something that I see being very much overlooked within the debate over Joshua vs Wilder. Joshuas quest for undisputed and the authenticity of his numerous attempts in trying to get the Wilder fight ASAP rings true to me, because those who are long time fans of the sport know that he is on a limited clock to get all those titles in his possession. Sooner or later, He will either be stripped of a title without any say so, or he will be placed in a situation where he may have little choice but to vacate a title in order to make the correct decision for his career. Wilder doesnt have pressure/time constraints hanging over him. And its one of many sad greedy truths of this sport we love and hate in the same breath.

I think there's many different reasons we aren't seeing the fight. Money is one, network is another, and Wilder just being petty from last year Josh saying "take what we offer or we'll freeze you out" probably has a bigger part than we care to admit. They didn't make an exception for the Martirosyan fight. They made the exception for Canelo, and when Canelo got suspended they said Deryvenchenko had to get his shot, or else G would be stripped. It was after the 6 month suspension, they wanted G to fight Deryvenchenko on the May 5th date, and then he could fight Canelo in September. I totally agree, and would say it is more to do with networks. PBC is responsible for providing content to both Showtime and Fox and the content needs to warrant good viewerships. In the bigger scheme of things, PBC fighters are the ones in "lockdown"(the mainstream popular ones) and cannot go as they please, which begs the question are PBC fighters really in control of their own careers? Actually, they did make an exception for GGG vs Martirosyan they just didnt sanction it so if GGG were to lose, he would still have the IBF belt to defend against Deryvenchenko afterwards not considering that the Alvarez rematch could take place in sept(the last part again is IMO)

The Wilder/Martin fight could have happened...Both were signed to PBC, but Wilder had Povetkin as a mandatory and when Wilder mentioned going after martin to unify, fans went ape **** saying he was trying to duck his mandatory. Had Povetkin not pissed hot, this would be a moot point though Parker/Wilder had a tentative thing in place. Parker was front row at Wilder/Washington also. Fight never happened though https://www.******.com/494083-deontay-wilder-offers-replacement-face-parker/ (its Ring's website. They block it on here for some reason) I understand that it was talked about and for whatever reason may be fell through. But my point was that the fights were pursued and ultimately made. And I find it difficult to swallow that Wilder was so concerned about a minor uproar(I hadn't read anything of such high magnitude but I'll definitely give that link a read, thanks) over defending a mandatory that he would pass on an opportunity to unify titles especially in light of his record and WBC "blinds eye" towards mandatories. Its one thing to talk about who a fighter wants next or wants next year etc.... Its completely different to negotiate and willing to sign contracts for matches to be made.

Well, I have no firsthand knowledge of protocols for negotiations in boxing specifically, but I do have experience with negotiating contracts and naively assumed it would be similar regardless of the industry..... All parties that have a vested interest make requests and consessions(offers, counter offers) until satisfactory terms are agreed upon. Once that has been accomplished and approved by both sides, the responsible party begins the process of creating a binding contract. Negotiations can be terminated by either party at any given time prior to a final agreement. Its been reported that Hearn made an initial offer which was turned down and subsequently made a counter offer which was also turned down. Apparently he decided to terminate further negotiations with Team Ortiz to pursue other fighters........ Again, I could be completely wrong when it comes to boxing but from whats been reported I don't see where the opportunity to write up a contract existed during the negotiation.

Wilder does though because just like Joshua has to beat one man to become undisputed, so does wilder. Let’s face it Joshua beat Martin and Parker for belts, those were cupcakes wilder would have won as well. The fact is Joshua is the cash cow, he got the belts dropped on his doorstep and wilder couldn’t get those fights. However this has been the collision course for bragging rights for some while Actually, Wilder does not have any chance of being stripped or having to vacate against his wishes because he only has 1 sanctioning body to answer to. And to date, the WBC has been very "accommodating" to Wilders career to put it nicely. I dont disagree with some of the negative views regarding talent in Martin, but to say Joshua got belts dropped on his doorstep is a quite an overstatement IMO. Lets not forget that he had to beat Klitchsko who IMO looked better than I remember him during his "prime" for the vacant WBA and IBO titles before he fought Parker(who IMO is too tentative but has good potential). And beyond level of competition, Joshua pursued those championship belts all within 21 professional fights. And I never recall hearing any news of Wilder proactively seeking out the same during the time. And he had been the WBC champ for over a year before Joshua got his 1st belt so technically, those belts could have been Wilders but he never made the attempt. Correct me if Im wrong and he did actually try to negotiate the same fights.

Now this is sensible post! Comparing this situation to the $50million offer from Finkel to AJ is just wrong. Hearn neither accepted nor turned down that offer. He told Finkel he was "very interested" in it and asked to be sent a term sheet or a contract. Finkel refused to oblige. Thanks for the positive words! I also agree with your point about Hearn rallying to get an opponent set within the short time he had left. I have my own suspicions and theory on the $50mill offer from Team Wilder last year, but wont elaborate since the topic isnt about that. Lets just say its not flattering to Team Wilder. Thanks again!

What he means is that both fighters could earn at least $50mil each. That's the purse split. The actual total purse itself is $100mil; Which is only $20mil off what DAZN was offering him a few months ago for two fights. So here's my take on the money situation. I'm optimistic that Joshua vs Wilder COULD generate $100mill. What seems to be surprisingly missing from the thoughts of many people, is that if a fight generated $100mill, the networks, promoters, managers, undercard fighter purses, trainers, cornermen, entourage, sanctioning organization etc.. all take their cut from that generated revenue. There is no seperate "magical" fund that pays out to everyone else. Also, it WOULD HAVE TO BE presented as a PPV fight. So now my skepticism as to the validity of Wilders claims to making more in one fight than DAZNs offer. For Wilder to clear(put in his pocket) lets say $50mill which we'll assume a 50/50 split is agreed upon. I would roughly estimate the fight would need to generate in the ballpark of approximately $250-$300million. Those are hovering near MayPac figures(it was more than that). I personally can't see the fight generating that much no matter how much I may want it to. Lastly, and the only scenario I can see Joshua willing to walk away from DAZN to have it on PPV is if he is given a LEGITIMATE guarantee of $50MILL+ with equal upside split. Also, if Wilder is inferring that HE ALONE can earn $100mill for the fight and it not being the entire revenue. Really is a what I would call the "Mayweather pipedream".

After reading about the frustrating news that Wilder has signed to rematch Ortiz with the "date and venue to be announced shortly", I had just about enough of it and felt compelled to create a short list of verifiable statements and actions of both Wilder and Joshua over the past year or so, with the dismal hope that maybe being bunched together as a whole may pull the wool away from some peoples eyes. Not very confident of success TBH, but worth a try I suppose. WILDER 1. No date and venue determined for the Ortiz rematch but he signed anyway, and announced it not long after ESPN aired First Takes interview with Joshua stating once he gets past Ruiz, he invited Wilder to come sit down with him 1 on 1 to hash out differences and make the fight next man to man. Last year when Wilder "accepted" the $15mill offer, reason it fell through was given that, "there was no confirmed date or venue.....", so he lost his pen. 2. Hadn't met his yearly obligations of defending his title against mandatory challengers but this year it was of the utmost priority to fight Breazeale who the WBC allowed to leapfrog over Dillian Whyte, the Silver champ and rightful candidate to have been his mandatory. Coinciding with the upcoming Breazeale fight, it was revealed that "I had gotten away with a lot in my career.....Im getting back to the basics". Did nothing but mitts and sparring for a majority of his training camps, revealed to me he wasnt concerned to train hard with discipline and conviction to perform at an elite level for his supporters. 3. One name, One face, One Champion..... The forgotten quote that was overtaken by Till this day(not devaluing its significance when put into context of how it came about, this is strictly about the sport) 4. I want 50/50. Why do I always have to take lowball offers and lower my standards? Compared to what he was making at the time, none of the offers made from Team Joshua was lowball and evidently even $100mill from DAZN wasnt up to his standards. According to Finkel, they had no problems lowering their standards and "we gave Fury anything he wanted, and the fight was made". The same Fury who at the time was just returning back from over 2yrs away from the sport recovering from depression, drug abuse, and 100's of pounds of weight gain. 4. Has mentioned Joshua's name at every opportunity and has said nothing but insults and claiming the fight will happen along with this quote, "be patient and let us do what we need to do to make the most money possible". Few months prior he stated, "being a champions is more than just about money". 5. Confirmation from credible sources that Ortiz, Kowlnacki, and Fury are slated to be his next 3 fights, meaning Whyte is obviously getting snubbed 3 more times before any chance of him getting his long overdue title shot. Gives substance on Whytes presonal text from Wilder claiming he could avoid him for 2 yrs. 6. "Tbh with you, I dont know why the big fights aren't happening.....maybe thats a question Shelly can better answer... " JOSHUA 1. Rarely mentions Wilder unless directly asked a question regarding him, and on ESPN First Take the other day when asked about Wilder saying he made 5 attempts to get a Joshua fight, "its irrellevant to talk about it here and get he said she said back amd forth. I'm a fighter, we can talk in the ring". "Wilder after June 1st, come see me, not through our promoters or manager, mano y mano and so we can negotiate the fight for this year...."(I'm parahrasing here) After which Steven A Smith was at an uncharacteristic loss for words and just sat silent.

Wilder is DESTROYING joshua’s American debut. Two announcements have completely taken the spotlight away from the dazn fight that no American sports fan is talking about anyway. There are reports that Hearn went into a profanity laced tirade when wilder announced the fury fight. Not quite sure how Wilder has destroyed anything other than his and his teams credibility with this signed and sealed Fury II news with the date, venue and most importantly the winner of Ortiz II not yet determined. I for one will definitely be watching Joshua vs Ruiz tonight since I'm fortunate enough to have a subscription, but can't say the same about any upcoming Wilder fights and the fact they plan them all to be PPV adds to my decision to gladly pass. I digress, but in their feeble attempt to successfully become another MayPac money maker, I think Team Wilder have overlooked one very important detail. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao were considered the best in their class for nearly a decade, having been at the top of everyones P4P list during that span. Their careers and popularity are HOF material. IMO at current running, there is only 1 member of Joshua vs Wilder that has possibly broken into the same realm of only poularity and scratching the surface of hands down best in his class(I'm confident in time he will break through also). He also has made it into the top 10 P4P rankings of a number of respected groups albeit near the bottom to date. Problem is, its required there be "2 to tango" as the saying goes.

Has crawford or Loma faced anyone close to beign on the top ten pound for pound list and the answer is no crawford wont fight spence and Loma wont fight Mikey.. thats the difference Canelo fought pound for pound guy GGG twice he takes the risk that these guys dont want to or theyre promoter doesent let them and that should count for something at least un my opinion.. I can see where your logic is taking you with this statement and I would agree with you if indeed it were the case, but it's been pretty well reported that Crawford is not the one blocking the fight against Spence. And Loma isnt the one avoiding Garcia. Garcia was the one who decided to forgoe Lomachenko to pursue a fight with Spence because he felt it was more beneficial for his career and legacy. You are correct that neither has fought a top 10 P4P list fighter(Linares had made honorable mention 11-15 before) but they have fought any top 10 contenders in their divisions willing to accept. Just so happens to be that the 2 fighters you mention are exactly those missing scalps, which again has never been reported they were being ducked in any way. And with GGG, I'm compelled to say consideration needs to be taken to the fact that Alvarez vacated the title a number of years ago to avoid having to fight GGG at the time. When they did make the fight, not only did GGG recieve a draw in a fight which should have been a victory(IMO, no educated(in boxing) honest boxing fan can claim Alvarez legitimately did enough to earn a draw let alone a 118-110 score), he did so at the age of 35yrs old generally considered the "declining stages for many fighters" compared to Alvarez prime age of 27yrs. In the 2nd fight the results were in favor of Alvarez but highly debatable and GGG was another year older. And one last asterisk I believe shouldnt be overlooked. I could be mistaken, but to my knowledge there has never been a Professional Boxer in recent history who was afforded to remain on a pound for pound list when they subsequently had been suspended for testing positive for PEDs. Just my "two cents"

I honestly cant comprehend the overwhelming number of comments from "boxing fans" that appear to lack basic knowledge or historical experience when it comes to "who calls the shots" in a rematch clause scenario..... Unless I'm actually the one who's lacking, which could very well be a possiblity 😉. But I can't recall one instance where a champ had lost with a contracted rematch clause, went straight into the rematch, and his opponent was contractually given the leverage to dictate when and where the rematch will be held on top of how much he will be paid if he were asked to go where he didnt personally care for. Personally as a lazy fan, I want to see it happen at MSG because it would be in my comfort timezone to watch. Realistically( thoroughly consider the potential money and legacy associated with getting the belts back and not getting them back) in a situation such as this, I cant find fault or hate against any and all beaten champions if they were to have the rematch in their backyard. If I was in that situation, you better damn sure believe Im not going to romanticize about making it right and running it back in an away fight! If I can get an edge by just being more comfortable, I without a doubt am going to take it😂! I'm fairly confident that nearly every single person on this planet would do the same if they were being completely honest with themselves.

We’ve been hearing it’s a done deal since late June... Wanted to contribute my 2cents to the whole " rematch venue announcement non-announcements". IMO, only plausible "something wrong with the contract" scenarios could be #1. It could be possible that there's a discrepancy regarding if and all the belts must/will be in possession and on the line for the rematch #2. Ruiz/PBC are threatening to stall if they are forced to go to the UK, during which time they would vacate titles or would not contest being stripped if so mandated. #3 Ruiz/PBC is daring Matchroom to sue them, which again is to stall time for a result in the belts being scattered.(I wouldnt be surprised if Al Haymon assured Ruiz he got him covered monetarily) What is considerably a much more realistic explanation than the above is that this is all an orchestrated move by Matchroom in the build up to the fight and to keep it relevant in the public conscious in order to minimize the time where interested casual fans could start to lose their enthusiasm or forget about the fight. All the while bouncing offers from venues wishing to host in order to squeeze the most lucrative deal.

A 3 belt holder wants to be champion and the guy with 1 belt avoids him. No need for all the name calling, it's a fact. Sometimes the simple answer is the right one. If you didn't have a chance to listen to Shelly Finkels most recent interview on The Boxing Voice, its pretty obvious. Towards the end, rather than provide a direct answer that would squash all skeptism regarding their supposed $50mil. "Offer" He responded with a rhetorical question of "let me ask you this, has Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon ever not come through on what they promised"? Answer is no Finkel responds, "then we should be given a benefit of a doubt...." (I'm paraphrasing this because Im too lazy to relaunch the podcast and find the exact spot where this came up) Deontay Wilder has been Deontay Wilder, full of contradictions to a point where I've will overlook a lot of his "self incriminating" comments as just more nonsense. Its kind of funny to me because, it turns out that in his recent interviews, Finkel and not Wilder himself has IMO placed his team in checkmate over the whole situation.