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I wonder which bum Wilder will face, while Joshua faces another genuine contender in Povetkin... How can there be Parker, Whyte, Fury and even bloody Belles our there, and Wilder would continue to duck all of them... Let’s face it, he’s all talk, he refused to sign the contract to fight in the UK. He’s now being raised to die at the right moment, so let him keep knocking over bums, because when he is tired of pathetic paydays, he’ll sign away his life and get knocked into the next millennium.

Post Rooney Tyson don't count. Trainers who carry condoms for ice bags shouldn't be good enough to carry spit bucket. Hahahahahaha

Ortiz is better than anyone Joshua has fought except klitschko. And now Wilder is fighting the man that beat klitschko first, and to me is the true Lineal Champ. Wilder isn't ducking anybody. Joshua ducked Wilder when he turned down the 50 mil and fought povetkin. Hmmm... Well it would help if Wilder would sign the contract AJ signed and sent to him :bottle: I see nobody is actually challenging the fact Wilder has ducked the names that AJ has beaten. This man is 22 fights in, has defended his world titles (he has 3 of them, in case you lot can’t count) 6 times against a better standard of fighter than bummy has ever fought. Lennox Lewis hadn’t even got a title by 22 fights. Ortiz aside, and Ortiz is probably the 5th best in the division at most, Wilder has been the biggest conman in boxing history. America didn’t even know he existed until AJ turned up.

Depends if you think AJ is in his prime now, as to whether that is a fair contest. AJ would smash the **** out of the Mike Tyson that turned up against Holyear, Lewis or Buster freaking Douglas. Like literally smear him out of existence.

Some of you are definitely on some sort of hallucinatory drugs... Which one would be bringing 3 of the main belts to the table, and which one would be bringing 1? Wilder should get 25%, and he should get down on his knees and thank AJ for that, considering the entire population of Wilder’s fan base is on this forum. You must all know each other by name! XD

Wilder does VADA testing as mandated by the WBC so I very much doubt it. And you can criticize Wilder for his technical ability but sometimes a champion can get by on his self belief and heart. Along with a murderous punch. He proved a lot in coming back to win the Luis Ortiz fight. And Lance Armstrong bought WADA a drug testing machine, going through multiple tests over decades without failing (publicly, anyway)... And with the scandal around TUE, some of which involves British sports stars, even "clean" isn't clean in professional sports. It's a bit of an amateurish statement to categorically state anyone in sports is a truly clean athlete at this point, which is incredibly sad! Luis Ortiz is decent, the best on Wilder's record, but old. Sure, you could say the same of Wlad on AJ's, but we both know which one is head and shoulder above the other. Like I say though, glad the US vs UK rivalry has stoked something in the American imagination, as it was desperately needed.

I've read this forum for a very long time, so I know exactly how hypocritical all you Yanks are about Wilder, and how very recent this whole fetish over him began. That's precisely what has prompted me to register and post for once! A couple of years ago, the very same posters now suckling at the Wilder teet, were saying that he lacked fundamentals, had fought nobody, and ultimately was a bum. Fast forward to the very well planned rise of AJ, and I think there's a bit of jealousy and resentment as British Heavyweight boxing dominates the landscape. Don't read this as me holding a negative view of you, or your support for Wilder, I love it! It is necessary for US boxing to have finally woken up from what seems like the longest self induced coma in sporting history. No funding at amateur level, funnelling of funds away from boxing gyms that previously offered sanctuary for kids on the wrong side of the law and nothing to lose (the perfect conditions for a fighter), and the consequential lack of interest compared with sports like Basketball, American Football, Baseball etc, has lead us to this point. Across the pond here, it could not be more different, with more people willing and able to PPV, and an Olympic/amateur conveyor belt delivering quality time and time again. Just think, as Joshua peaks and declines, Daniel Dubois is coming through, and he will be a monster. However, there is one thing which should be shutdown immediately. No, not AJ being a juicer. More rigorous drug testing in the sport is necessary, and the only answer to that question. Until it's answered scientifically, only someone with cash to burn should be casting aspersions publicly, so let's table that. The item on the current agenda which needs to be shelved, is the whole idea of "ducking". We have all watched on, as Wilder has padded his record in a Birmingham car park (parking lot), against bums and journeymen that most novices would dispatch in a couple of rounds. Consecutively. He has fought almost double the amount of fights Anthony Joshua has, and has shown no previous interest or ambition in unifying the division. He has had the time, and with the change of landscape that has allowed AJ to collect 3 of the belts, he had the opportunity. He has not even shown any intention of fighting better fighters, until now. For anyone watching Wilder's career, it is as if he has been raised as cattle. Raised so his 0 can go at the right moment, for the right number of zeroes on a cheque. Now is that moment. Until you examine the behaviour of his belt's sanctioning body recently, do you understand how correct that assertion is. For all the claims of "ducking", while AJ actually holds bigger and bigger fights leading up to the megafight, Wilder will not be challenged. Whyte is another good British heavyweight, capable of causing Wilder problems, but he will not be given a mandatory shot against Wilder. You have to feel sorry for a guy ranked second in a category, who is overlooked for the mandatory status for a number 3, a number 3 who was a lot less competitive against AJ. The WBC want to ensure that, in the event Joshua and Wilder do not agree terms this time, there will still be a match up between the two. Whyte would complicate that equation. It's an exciting time to follow the heavyweight division, and the US vs UK dynamic is a delicious ingredient. I suspect the jealousy and resentment will be replaced by appreciation, if what I suspect will happen, actually happens. AJ round 8 KO.

I'm the first to admit that Wilder has flaws. Doesn't change the fact that he is the biggest threat to Juicin' J. That status is probably solely down to Wilder being 40 fights in, and still largely being a complete enigma and unknown. Joshua has shown he can win fights two ways, boxing and fighting, whereas Wilder has shown very little technical boxing ability. As much as I would love a tear up, I seriously worry Wilder vs AJ would be another jab-eating, risk averse 12 rounds ala Parker. Just on the whole Juicing jibes as well. Like I say, I don't have a clue. It is possible to be as fit and muscled as AJ without it, depending on genetics and dedication. However, surely, on the basis of the history of US and UK sports, if anybody was more likely to be a drugs cheat, it would be Wilder...?

In Wilder's defence, he signed to fight Povetkin but the latter failed drugs tests. I reference that quite a lot because until Wilder faced Ortiz, Povetkin was by far the best guy he'd signed to fight, something Deontay's fans overlooked when criticising Povetkin as an opponent for Anthony Joshua He did... But then what happened? The WBC actually only called off the fight because Wilder pissed off home, rather than fly to Russia or await a decision! Duck duck duck... I do have some sympathy in the fact that Pedboy is a drugs cheat, and I wouldn’t have wanted to fight him either, but he literally ran home. Then he forgot about Povetkin and continued chasing bums around... and has repeatedly ducked the guy who should be mandatory all day long. Then you look across at Joshua taking out his mandatory, and you can’t help but feel sick to the stomach that a coward like Wilder has a heavyweight belt. There is no being fair to Wilder. 40 fights into a heavyweight career and he hasn’t bothered fighting the best. Now he calls out others from a position of not willing to sign a contract, and his newly acquired fanboys are whooping and frothing in command.... US fans used to actually know something about boxing! Sad times. And before any of you silly sally’s say it... I’m sure if AJ ever develops a coke habit, takes 2 years out, puts on 10 stone and then wobbles round the ring near a plumber, he would offer to fight him too.

KO waiting to happen? :bryce: I don’t know what you lot are smoking in your trailer park homes, but Joshua just laid out the second best heavyweight in the division... Another your main man dodged, ducked, dipped, dived and... dodged all his career. You should be more worried a mentally ill tubbyman is coming to take that paper championship off your boy, than rubbishing an astonishing knockout. Povetkin has more power than Wilder, and can actually box. Pedvetkin is a real man, not a duck being raised like cattle to be slaughtered at the right moment. He was winning on my scorecard 4-2. Like a proper fighter AJ worked him out and knocked him out. So many babies crying, rather than appreciating a special performer we are all privileged to be watching at his peak. Peace from the UK *****es!

wilder has a real contract waiting for him on his desk as we speak. A real offer for all the belts in front of a 90k packed out stadium for 15 million dollars...but another improved offer is waiting for him as well. So why won't he sign...we are not talking about an instagram champion. We're talking fighting the guy with the most belts with the best resume who is widely considered the best heavyweight in the world. Tell if Ortiz failed a test in September 2017 and Joshua boxed takam in October how did Joshua avoid his mandatory. Plus Ortiz failed to stop malik Scott and failed to impress against allen. That's why Ortiz was let go by Hearn and then guess what Ortiz failed a ped test after straight after. So he lost his mandatory right there gumbo. Joshua resume pisses all over wilders and that's why he is ranked number 1 in the world. All wilder has to do accept the fight in April and we will find out who is the top dog. Joshua will knock the lowlife into tomorrow if and when wilder grows some cajones and accept the kings offer. This all over, couldn't have said it better

Great, a fight to decide who gets to be a place mat, holding the belt until the winner of the (actually significant) fight between (two actually world class heavyweights) Povetkin and Joshua comes to take it. A lot of people saying this is a good, smart fight for Wilder, but I disagree. His ability to negotiate the superfight is currently based on the mystique of a fighter who has a great KO record and a world heavyweight belt... PPV would be absolutely mega because there would be an element of doubt Joshua would win. But boxing fans know his record, have watched him box, and know his true ability. Wilder will now fight Fury, and what boxing fans alone know, the world will know. When Wilder really struggles against a defensive pugilist like Fury, fewer people are going to be interested in tuning in for another AJ arsewhooping.

Don't forget Wilder also destroyed the mighty audrey Harrison in 1 round, the last UK hype job, who is very similar to hype job AJ. :sleeping: boring trolling attempt Ortiz on drugs and **** scared. Wilder **** scared. Fury is deluded. Whyte wants to wait to fight the bum champion Wilder. Parker and Povetkin already fought, Usyk tied up and set to feel his way into the weight. This fight was always going to be a terrible disappointment, even when fatty Miller was slated to get KO’d in round 3. Lot of cowards and bums in this division.

That's very disappointing, I was expecting a bum for a comeback but I was expecting heavyweight bum, not cruiserweight. Completely agree! There is a reason this chap has been picked, and that is because he won't have the skill to test Fury, and definitely won't be able to hurt Warren's investment because he won't have the power. Lacklustre warm-up, likely to be followed by further record padding, to protect the 0 until Joshua or Wilder grants him a payday. It isn't a comeback until he steps into the ring with a decent Heavyweight, it's televised sparring. I wonder if he'll feel the need to dress up like Batman for this one.

This is a very smart move for wilder and you really gotta be high to say pedvetkin the guy who couldn’t pass a drug test to fight wilder is a world class fighter? That’s a good sign of casual boxing Fanism... or fanboyism... and what happens when wilder sleeps fury like he did with his last 39 opponents? I think aj would have to give him more like 45% for their fight then... aj ****ed up by not making the wilder fight for April even cause all of us real boxing fans know he’s fighting whyte in April... and now he won’t have the upper habd he once had in negotiations. 45%? Us real boxing fans? Hahaha 3 belts vs 1 belt 95% of the fans and the draw vs 5% AJ resume vs Wilder resume Why on earth does Wilder deserve more than 25%? He's a paper champion who has fought nobodies. People say "fanboy" as a criticism, but what a twat that makes you look. I'm a boxing fan buddyboy, and appreciate the best boxer in the division, and would wherever he was from. If you had an ounce of interest in boxing, you might grow a pair and be a fan of a boxer.

There is still a major belt floating out there for AJ to claim and its the WBC if he wants it but so far he has expressed no interest in retrieving it. Why? Is it because of fear? Also, Yes, you said he fought all these great contenders but what about Wilder? The only reason why Wilder is challenging a Fury in the first place is because Joshua is ducking him and Eddie Hearn had to pull Povetkin out of his ass in order to avoid a showdown with Wilder; After he agreed to the $15mil flat fee, fighting on AJ's home soil and in the venue of his choice. Likewise, AJ doesn't have the balls to come within a 100 feet of Ortiz or Wilder. He is simply bitchmade. He got rocked by a cruiserweight that he outweighed by 24 lbs. How pathetic is that? Dude... Wilder never signed the contract, so anything you say is bluster. AJ has fought better than Ortiz. Parker or Ortiz? Whyte or Ortiz? Povetkin or Ortiz? If you rate Ortiz higher, you need to give a pretty good explanation. Wilder has actually ducked every one of the better fighters Joshua has on his record. Ortiz is a bum, but if the ref had backbone he might have done a standing count on Wilder... maybe worse. Whyte would smash Wilder. You tell me, if you were a coward, would you rather fight pillowfist Fury in his current shape... or AJ in his current shape? Wilder made his choice by not signing the contract.

He has no chance vs any version of fury I wouldn't say "no chance", especially given the mental vulnerability and unhealthy lifestyle Fury has suffered from for 2+ years. The height, reach and skills of 2015 Fury would give Bellew very little chance of getting close, fighting on the inside and hurting him. Fury has no power though, so Bellew would still be in the fight til the distance. 2018 Fury is a different proposition. Potentially a mess. Age and inactivity drastically impacts speed and reflexes, just ask the chin Haye left on the canvass last night.

This is a very smart move for wilder and you really gotta be high to say pedvetkin the guy who couldn’t pass a drug test to fight wilder is a world class fighter? That’s a good sign of casual boxing Fanism... or fanboyism... and what happens when wilder sleeps fury like he did with his last 39 opponents? I think aj would have to give him more like 45% for their fight then... aj ****ed up by not making the wilder fight for April even cause all of us real boxing fans know he’s fighting whyte in April... and now he won’t have the upper habd he once had in negotiations. Only fanboys accuse others of being fanboys... Povetkin is a genuinely class fighter (yep, probably still drug assisted, but boxing has a problem that will not be exposed for years), otherwise he wouldn’t be as high in the rankings, having actually fought some good boxers... Unlike Wilder. So what you’re saying exposes a lack of boxing knowledge. Wilder has fought one good fighter, but he waited til the guy was 40. It would be poetic justic if AJ did that to Wilder, but as it is I see the fight happening next year. I rate Wilder, not as highly as you, but I think he will test AJ to a degree, and might last the distance. However, the thing that really irritates me about Wilder fans is that now AJ has collected 75% of the belts, while Wilder has been fighting in car parks, they have now immediately jumped on the “ducking bandwagon” because Wilder makes up some spurious crap about contracts. I despise it, because it’s nonsense. AJ is not 40 fights into a career without fighting a world class fighter. He has not ducked someone, with the help of the sanctioning body who holds his belt, who should be mandatory all day long. In fact, he knocked that guy out. Whyte would give Wilder problems, so Wilder has ducked him and gone after a Fury that can never get back to his best. AJ fighting Povetkin is not an easy option, Povetkin is a roided up power puncher, and the fact is Wilder vs AJ will happen, and AJ wants it to happen. Povetkin would knock out Wilder.

You're a tool. "Pedboy"? Slide off your bunk bed dog If I'm a tool at least I'm useful. It would be nice to see your insight on this, so we could all have a good laugh.

He failed the drug test after Joshua refused to exercise his WBA mandatory challenge to fight him in order to fight Carlos Takam for the IBF. Ortiz was Joshua's mandatory challenger for the WBA but AJ refused to exercise that mandatory challenge. Wilder stood up and decided to give Ortiz a shot at his WBC title after AJ ducked him and then shortly afterwards he subsequently popped for blood pressure medicines and was originally banned by both the WBA and the WBC but the WBC lifted its ban so Wilder could fight him but the WBA did not. Also, to your point that Wilder has the most pathetic record of any past American champion you have ever seen then why is your boy Joshua is so scared shitless to just stand in the same ring with him let alone fight him? That is the most deluded comment of all time. One fighter is 22 fights in to a professional career, and has fought a class above the other, who is 40 fights into his career and only now decided he might need to fight someone ranked in the top 20. You realise that AJ will only fight 2 fights a year? That makes it difficult for him to have fought every single boxer out there, but his resume is the best of all the heavyweights in the division. He has 3 of the belts, while your boy has 1. The same one he has held and battled bums for, for years. He is the master of ducking his mandatory, and the corrupt sanctioning body has been completely complicit in it. We had to wait til Fury had a coke habit, put on 10 stone, took two years out and jiggled at a plumber before Wilder took on the so-called lineal champ. Ortiz had to wait til he was 100 years old. Just face it, Wilder has been making a pretty poor living for a heavyweight "champ", making a mockery of the heavyweight scene by fighting nobodies. He has realised he has a handful of fights left, and then will have to either retire or take up something else. He needs a big pay fight to set himself up, which nobody can blame him for, but when he comes round from the brutal KO AJ delivers, he should get to his knees and thank AJ for the gift that fighting him will be.