that was Floyd's easiest fight in 20 years. Robert Guerrero was tougher.
Ok so that was Floyd's easiest fight since gurerro yet he came back after PacMay and fought 3x for the money right? Why not rematch Pacquiao again, win another easy fight, and make more money in 1 fight than his last 3 with berto, McGregor, tenshin combined lol Floyd's refusal to rematch alone tells you it wasn't an easy fight..that's just basic reasoning...u Mayweather fans have straight up section 8 logic..bunch of dumb hood boyz....and Floyd only fought 1/2 the decade , we don't know if he would've lost or not if he continued to fight throughout the decade bc he DID NOT FIGHT FOR HALF OF THE DECADE... No wonder white dudes rule the world bc u hood boys are straight up D.U.M.B
Exactly Spence is good but Manny is special. Spence hasn't even fought a top 5 WW yet so we really don't know how good he is. His last fight was against a LW who he couldn't even hurt, lockdown, or ko him. Crawford hasn't fought a 10+ ranked WW. There's no "Truth" other than the eye test with these guys. Manny has faced way better and proven fighters than these 2 and dismantled them. It would be tough at 40 but I believe since Pac is special as he's proved , he can still pull it off with these top guys
Manny can make 20 million fighting anyone he wants and I can guarantee it won't be Spence.
God I can't get over the clip in your post, it's painful to look at.[/QUOTE
Is Manny a natural WW. Is Spence? Is Spence longer taller younger?
You wanna say Manny at 30yrs old is dodging Spence, ok. But if Manny at 40, not a natural WW, and smaller wants to choose to make 20 million elsewhere on more even grounds you can't knock him for that. Wouldn't you? I mean I know he is a top #3 GOAT but he's not invincible 🙄
If Pac beats Thurman, Pac can let Thurman fight Spencer and Crawford. If Thurman beats them, then there is no need for Pac to fight SPence or Crawford.
At this stage Pac really don't need to fight Spence or Crawford. He is the best of era already.
While I agree Pac is the best among the WWs today as he is just on another level, I disagree he should fight Spence and Crawford next bc even though we know Pacquiao will win the people who still don't believe in Pacquiao's greatness (though he's proven them wrong time and time again hence why he was an ATG, legend , and HOFer by the time he was the same age as all these top WWs) will never admit Pacquiao will beat them until he beats them. Beat them , get all the belts. Retire. No excuses from the p****y haters
10000% no VADA doe
Manny enrolled in VADA until 2022. WBN has an article on it. Idk if you could read tho. Btw remember when Pacquiao verse Mayweather had vada testing. Pacquiao had no issues (as usual for 25+ years in the sport) yet Floyd ur boy toy Mayweather was caught with an illegal IV?? What about clenbuterol Alvarez? It's hilarious how idiots like you still go on about that yet Pacquiao has an absolute clean record and others don't.
Bob Arum saved Manny Pacquiao's life by keeping him away from Crawford. He cares more for Manny's health than the $$$$ this fight would generate.
Lol save Manny's life?!? Manny was a HOFer , ATG, legend of boxing by the time he was Cawfords age. Is Crawford any of those now? Not even close. You must be black.
Will this PPV fight reach 200K buys??
I think asking that of the Spence vs Porter fight is more fitting. Pacquiao is the only ppv star in the WW division
Dude, you can't be serious. That is him responding to the haters that say that by saying Ok, if you say so. You honestly read that and couldn't get he was giving a sarcastic response?
Hahahahahahaha no nice try not falling for another way to twist it ..he's saying as long as he makes the most money keep hand-picking them... implying even if they're not the best competition keep cherry picking...shut the fuq up...even when he admits this shet u pvzzies try to manipulate the truth...he said it that's it nothing more , nice try... ignoring the truth is DELUSION aka Floyd Mayweather worshipers
child, do you realize that I asked for proof? ... and you posted me an article from a entity that has no idea whatsoever
" World Boxing News has reached out to VADA to get clarification on Pacquiao vs. Spence. "
the WBN have no idea whatsoever if Pacquiao is enrolled with VADA, so they reached out to VADA for clarification.
the WBN were parroting information, just like you... but they clearly have no idea, so they are clearly not proof of anything
all I am asking for, is proof... because there seems to be some questions around that topic... you did not need to get testy in your initial reply
if you - or anyone else - can provide proof, then no problem... I am not saying that Pac is not enrolled with VADA, I am asking if he is enrolled
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See BS recent article idiot. Pacquiao gave his first sample for Vada. Is that proof enough for ya? You want me to call Vada for you to get proof or is that good enough. I done told your dvmbazz already. Anything else I can school you on numb nuts?
No, he didn't fight Berto instead of Thurman. He fought Manny then he fought Berto.
What is your issue with that?
Berto was the easier route you friggin Fl0mo!!!
I dont think anyone denys Manny as being a ATG with great accomplishments, thats not the guts of the debate, whether he is better than Floyd Mayweather is the meat in the sandwich and thats where the big picture supports Mayweather, not greater whatever thats supposed to me, better as in boxer head to head Floyd is better at the craft of boxing than what Manny is, greatness is nothing but fan opinion, better can easily be proven with data facts and figures results, I cant even see what they are crying about when Manny has lost 7 times, Floyd toyed with a guy Manny struggled with 4 times and was put to sleep by him after Floyd schooled him , every single common opponent claims Floyd the better fighter that alone is over whelming when they all HOF fighters, and to finish the icing on the cake is Floyd beat him without raising a sweat head to to head .
There is no denying Manny is great but he was not a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather.
Well well I guess the data and figures say that Ricardo Lopez never lost in his career as well as Joe calzaghi and many others so by your logic they must be better than Pacquiao too right? You floyd nut huggers are just embarrassing
Floyd defeated Manny and is ranked ahead of him in every credible ranking of ATG boxers. Even Boxrec, which I pay no attention to, has Floyd ahead of Manny. Clearly your opinion is very biased.
If you are insulted by Floyd/Conor ok. A fight that generated the most sales ever didn't make a mockery of the sport. The problem is that most people thought Conor did better against Floyd than Manny did. I think that is the major problem-fans feeling an MMA guy looked better than the 2nd best fighter in the sport.
Any one with an ounce of common sense understands why the Floyd/Conor fight was such an event.
That said, Floyd/Berto, Floyd/Conor have nothing to do with Danny/Manny.
I thought Manny beat Floyd actually. I'd like to see some punch highlights from Floyd if u have any of that fight. And remember what Floyd said when a man loses and even gets KOd he ain't the same. Floyd "on paper" defeated a knocked out multiple loss over the hill due to his aggressive style of fighting in Manny Pacquiao. But anyway there's a difference between a great business match and a great boxing match. Yes Floyd vs Connor was a great event business wise however any real boxing fan would see it as a joke which was how it was perceived by boxers and the real fans except u lol. Yes they are valid comparisons bc Berto or Connor were not unification bouts nor were they in line for unification. Just like Pac vs dsg wouldn't be a fight for unification. Muh numba 1 stunna from anotha motha!!!!
Not falling for it? Holy sh-t dude you really are serious. You honestly can't get that is a sarcastic response to his critics.
"Sometimes they say, 'Well, Floyd Mayweather's opponents was handpicked.' That's a good thing," Mayweather said during a conference call with reporters to hype Saturday's world title fight against Mexico's Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. "I commend my team ... when I sit back and I think about my career, I say 'you know what? I had a cool career. I didn't take any punishment'."If they say these guys were handpicked, they were handpicked to make $40 and $50 and $60 million, then you know what? Keep handpicking them. If they're going to keep paying, keep handpicking them."
I sure hope you didn't go to Penn State because that is a decent university that usually produces intelligent people.
"If they say these guys were handpicked, they were handpicked to make $40 and $50 and $60 million, then you know what? Keep handpicking them. If they're going to keep paying, keep handpicking them."
There's no sarcasm there u dvmb hood boy...he's saying it doesn't matter the level of competition, if the price is right hes gonna take the fight=CHERRY PICKING....the delusion and stupidity of you Floyd fans 🙄
I'm sure pac would still workout regardless but I'm sure the millions have a part in his motivation lol would for me, I'd up my effort in the gym if I was getting paid that's for sure
well....we all know who didn't want the test
You mean the boxing commissions tests or Floyd's tests? Pacquiao was ALWAYS ready for testing and even to this day 25+ years in the sport never had a problem with the boxing commission standards of testing except the one time a man tried taking over the boxing commissions job and Pacquiao like the rest of us would , eff off. Then when Manny agreed to the princess's demands ,who got caught with the illegal IV..foh
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Did you say “he’d fight a no name?” That’s funny you say that because he actually had. Let’s take a look at the facts, shall we?
1- Clottey had just lost to Cotto
2- Margarito had been KO’d by Mosley and a dubious catchweight
3- Mosley had lost to Floyd
4- Brandon Rios had lost to Alvarado
5- Broner was coming off two losses and a draw
6- Mathysse was rebuilding after getting beat by Danny Garcia and Postol
7- Vargas was irrelevant at 147
8- Cotto was a catchweight at 145 (where’s the challenge in that when you weaken a man?)
9- Oscar at 147, need I say more?
10-Algieri was a virtual unknown kickboxer and a 144 Ibs catchweight.
11- Manny wanted to fight McGregor after criticizing Floyd for it.
We recognize Nanny’s greatness but we can’t ignore some pathetic mismatches.
Now, let me tell you what kind of a person has a low IQ and an uncouth, bloviated Neanderthal- a person who tries to justify these farce fights. Are you that person?
Uh oh someone is salty. Obviously u have a low IQ, someone who thinks Pacquiao is hyped up YET ALWAYS SPENDS HIS TIME READING ARTICLES ABOUT HIM. You and a couple idiots here are obvious pac haters jab jab idiot, roadblock idiot, Big vag Dunn but you guys are here reading about the great Pacquiao faster than Pacquiao fans lol it's really comical. I don't find Floyd interesting at all even I respect his boxing skills I'm not a fan, go find me in a Floyd article comment post. Ur not gonna unless I secretly LOVE HIM like u idiots SECRETLY LOVE PACQUIAO but don't wanna show bc I know he's not black I'm sorry. You also show how stupid you are by posting the same thing on every Pacquiao article, always about Pacquiao opponents yet he's still considered an ATG. So tell me, is what ur really posting doing anything or is Manny still considered one of the greatest to ever lace up a pair of boxing gloves? Let that sink in before you waste your time again trying to discredit Pacquiao. Ask yourself am I really doing... anything? Hahahaha the answer is no u brainless clown
listen, I know you’re desperately trying to prove that pac was never on any peds but your logic is off. Boxers who use peds use different cakes and it’s never to develop abs. It’s to enhance speed, stamina, power, enhance recovery. Jarrell Miller is the biggest confirmed user of peds in boxing today, does he have abs?
He's making a better case than you especially since he has cold hard facts that Manny never tested positive, so ur the one who is desperately trying to prove something unproven. The peds ur talking about help you push beyond your stamina limit which recovering faster helps that too WHICH AS A RESULT HELPS YOU BURNS MORE CALORIES. Obviously you've never touched a weight or done anything physical in your life little boy. Someone at a lower weight like Pacquiao would definitely have physical signs of ped use as they are not consuming as much calories as a heavyweight. 2 different things, also i bet you Miller won't be fighting until he's 42. Peds make you push beyond your natural limit which stresses your body and make you age quicker. Really I don't have to explain this all to you as Pacquiao has never tested positive in over 25 years in the sport. Very desperate of you to say Pacquiao is on anything seeing you have nothing but hated opinions on him "homie"
If PAC wins, he has a claim for being the GOAT. Yes that’s right. Better than Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson. I don’t think you guys really understand how great he is. If he beats Spence and then beats Crawford, it’s a lock as GOAT, with no discussions about it. He separates himself from any other ATG in the history of the ring.
When ur bias and someone doesn't look the same as you, you will never understand how great someone is. All races recognize Jordan, however seems like alot of black folk are too racist to acknowledge Pacs greatness
Strange part is they're not criticizing Spence for wanting Thurman. Spence is angry, even calls Thurman a corny individual. He's mad that Keith is not even mentioning his name. But you'll hear crickets from these PBC fans.
Lolol EXACTLY!!!
He his career are a joke. P4P #1? At what? The #1 welterweight? How? Why? How can you be the #1 welter or #1 at anything by beating bums?
In that case, someone should get real good at the speed bag and shadowboxing and have a legit claim at being a champion level boxer without ever having an amateur fight.
EXACTLY!!! All these nuthuggers on TC over an eye test lol...he fought no one and resigned with TR to keep fighting no one..I don't care how good he looks he still way beneath Pacquiao, Spence, Thurman , Porter and there's no way nuthuggers can convince me until I see it for myself
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You shouldn’t be mentioning Broner or Rios. Those were pathetic fights.
I respect Manny but we aren’t going to forget the farce fights against guys that were literally coming off losses. Let’s count them, shall we?
1- Clottey had just lost to Cotto
2- Margarito had been KO’d by Mosley and a dubious catchweight
3- Mosley had lost to Floyd and drew with Moraa.
4- Brandon Rios had lost to Alvarado
5- Broner was coming off two losses and a draw
6- Mathysse was rebuilding after getting beat by Danny Garcia
7- Vargas was irrelevant at 147
8- Cotto was a catchweight at 145 (where’s the challenge in that when you weaken a man?)
9- Oscar at 147, need I say more?
10- Manny wanted to fight McGregor after criticizing Floyd for it. The only reason they didn’t fight is because Connor lost.
11- Algieri was a virtual unknown kickboxer and a 144 Ibs catchweight.
We recognize Manny’s greatness but we can’t ignore a lot of the unnecessary pathetic mismatches.
We can do the same with spences resume, Floyd's resume, etc .calm it down...at least Floyd and Spence were fighting guys there size...Manny is not even a natural WW and was already at a disadvantage so really Pacquiao was a "pathetic mismatch" against those bigger guys you mentioned. You can discredit all you want though bc it's not doing ANYTHING. Manny will still go down as one of the best ever to do it. Keep doing what ur doing, you're accomplishing NOTHING hahahaa
i mean pac chose thurman after his performance against lopez. i didnt even mention spence and when he called him out. not sure what you are talking about.
My point is if ur going to criticize pacquiao for fighting Thurman criticize Spence who has been calling out Keith even after his last performance. If Pacquiao wasn't in the mix a Keith vs Spence fight would've happened. Then would it be a cherry pick for Spence? I'm not sure how you missed that simple point
Thurman had been out of the ring for 2 years, Porter had bigger fights lined up against Thurman and Danny, Danny moved up to welter and fought Thurman, the #1 guy and Porter for the WBC. This is a case of you seeing what you want to see. Spence has to wait his turn just like everyone else, nobody owes him anything. Now that there's more hype and substance around him, Porter is fighting him and Thurman is saying they can make that fight next year. The Truth is the Truth, but lets not get things twisted.
As for Roach, he doesn't decide who Pacman fights. Arum didn't put up the money for Pacman to fight Crawford, PBC/Haymon have put the money up. Plus Thurman is a name so it's easy to sell. This is a business, friend.
All facts and yet the point just flew over his head given his response. You can't reason or logic with fanboys. Especially with these Spence fanboys. It's sad
I didn't post that. I posted he should fight the winner of Spence/Porter and the winner fights Crawford. I then posted ideally he'd fight Crawford (#2 v #3) and the winner would fight the winner of Spence (#1)/Porter (#4).
There is absolutely nothing wrong with either scenario and the best way we get to a true undisputed lineal ww champ.
Floyd has no bearing on this discussion. His fight against Berto was set up so he could stay undefeated for fight 50. His fight with Conor was good for the sport because it generated huge revenue and put the #1 MMA attraction ever inside a boxing ring as the clear B side-reinforcing the fact that boxing is the superior sport over MMA.
The tenshin fight was a cash grab for a retired fighter. Floyd could make the Conor an tenshin fights because of everything he accomplished. It was a reward for winning and transcending the sport, sort of like Ali fighting Inoki. Not every fighter can do this.
I have watched the sport for more than 30 years. I am as real a boxing fan as it gets.
"Floyd could make the Connor and tenshin fights bc what he accomplished"
Exactly
Manny can do the same in your mind
And no you ain't a real boxing fan.. u muh brotha from anotha motha givin Floyd a pass.. Floyd fighting Connor and tenshin was NOT good for boxing and was not something a real fan would want to see bc those guys are NOT REAL BOXERS...it's exactly what u said it was just a cash grab ....it's cool tho we for ours homie!!!
stop it fangirls...SPENCE WAS FORCED TO FIGHT THE WAY HE DID.....dyckr!ders implying he could've KOd Porter but HE CHOSE NOT TO hahahahah...just stop ...he tried and tried but he couldn't ko Mikey and he couldn't ko Porter for being an outgrown WW....#OVERRATED
If you wanted Manny to fight the Spence/Porter winner and then Bud, that is the exact same thing I posted should happen. That is why I said sat this time Manny/Garcia would be a waste, because it would prevent us from having Manny fight the Spence/Porter winner next.
You 've been going back and forth with me for no reason. Geez, Ican see why you had to create an alt.
I want to see Manny vs the winner of Spence/ Porter and then Bud as much I wanted to see Floyd vs Thurman when he fought Berto or even fight GGG instead of fighting Connor bc that's what would've been what real boxing fans wanted. I agree with u on Manny with the unification but if he doesn't go that route he should get a pass just like Floyd
More race baiting.
I didn't knock Manny or anyone for taking the "easy route."
Hahahahha yes u did ur saying he should fight bud and Spence , I agree he has a belt bc it's whats best for boxing...Floyd fighting Berto instead of Thurman and 2 other boxers with 0-0-0 records and then COUNTING THOSE WINS ON HIS RECORD is not good for the sport. At least be a real boxing fan and be alittle insulted as I would be if Manny doesn't fight Bud or Spence....muh brotha from anotha motha!!!!
You answered your own question, young fighters love to fight legends, one is a ATG legend the other trying to become one, this is what the top guys do lol.
True but someone like you would be the first to criticize if a prime Pacquiao was fighting an old legend here...it's a shame pacquiao is asian and not black otherwise he'd have another fan in you, home slice....and you know it's true
If it’s wasn’t for mayweather pacquiao would not have been as big as he was. He was built as the guy that was going to defeat mayweather. And yes 8 division champion is a huge accomplishment and never been seen before but mayweather fans and his haters are only going to remember the 50-0 record and see the only 8 division champion is one of the 50 victims.
Yes true his 50-0 will be remembered but people will also have access to watch his fights and they will see he wasn't this monster that was smashing people to get his 50-0 record...he was a guy that relied only of the "don't get hit" of the sweet science while lacking in the "hit" department. And his legacy will be tarnished bc of that, people want to see boxers throwing 2-3-4-5-6 punch combinations, mixing punches up with hooks, uppercuts, haymakers not just a jab or a straight every 60seconds and then run or hug. They will also see in his past fights that Mayweather robbed a handful of his wins especially against Pacquiao. That's why it doesn't faze Pacquiao fans at all that Mayweather won. We have the video to look back on and laugh at all the running and hugging Mayweather did to a smaller and lighter guy and so will people in the future.