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Well no, fury didn't lose he outlanded Ngannou in almost every round, Usyk lost 10 out of 11 rounds and did not "KO" rico, the ref jumped in and ended the fight to save Usyk at the FIRST possible opportunity. Tyson Fury lost the fight. Francis Ngannou landed the more power punches, and scored a knockdown 'the only statistics were Tyson Fury out competed Francis Ngannou was landing a higher number of jabs'. Note: You make out like Tyson Fury was out working Ngannou by miles 'tell everyone the number, that which he out landed Francis Ngannou by? It was 12 punches'. And those 12 extra punches which Tyson Fury landed, what did they achieve? Any knockdowns? No 'Tyson Fury before he won vs. Arslanbek Makhmudov had lost his last three fights, vs. Francis Ngannou and Oleksandr Uysk twice back to back'. To conclude: So Francis Ngannou threw the higher number of power punches, scored a knockdown and inflicted the most damage in the fight 'This is professional boxing, and fights are scored via style, damage and aggression. Francis Ngannou won the fight in all the most important areas'. Oleksandr Uysk did not perform as expected by many vs. Rico Verhoven 'but at least when he decided to put the hammer down, he was able to inflicted damage on Verhoeven and forced a stoppage'. Both performances from Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk were not great 'but I personally think Fury's was way worst of the two performances' etc.

He definitively took Rico Verhoeven seriously 'but? He most likely tactically did not execute his best training camp i.e. when putting together a training camp, sometimes trainers can devise the wrong strategy. This is what I believe possibly for the first time in his career Oleksandr Uysk and his team have done'. Note: Oleksandr Uysk was his career heaviest '233 pounds. Which does in a cliche kind of way, suggest that he wanted to blast out Rico Verhoeven. Those tactics were clearly wrong, and the fight developed into a long distance battle'. Oleksandr Uysk in my opinion still had superior endurance to Rico Verhoeven 'even at the time of the stoppage, Verhoeven is more fatigued that badly hurt'. Also if Oleksandr Uysk was so grossly out of condition, there is no way he would have been able to just suddenly 'decide to put the hammer down, and force the stoppage'. To conclude: Overall I have been stating for sometimes that Oleksandr Uysk is outside of his peak 'his peak form as an heavyweight fighter, was vs. Anthony Joshua I & II. Those are the fights where he displayed his most impressive, speed, endurance levels and technical skill'. This is also not an opinion, that is precisely what the statistics of those fights show. Oleksandr Uysk threw almost 300 more punches vs. Anthony Joshua in their rematch, than he did in his rematch vs. Tyson Fury'. I have always regarded Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Uysk I & II 'skill for skill as the peak Heavyweight fight of this era. Many dictators of Anthony Joshua may disagree with this, but? The pure statistics of the action, reveal the truth'. Anthony Joshua performed better vs. Oleksandr Uysk than Tyson Fury 'and he fought a superior version of Oleksandr Uysk. Those are the facts'. The referee during the Verhoven vs. Uysk fight 'ultimately ruined the fight. Rico Verhoven fought a great fight, but he most likely would have been severely beaten down and legitimately knocked out in round 12th' etc.

This is a great post because it highlights something nobody else is talking about. Human males have been physically adapted, by over a million years of evolution, for strike fighting, and especially for delivering powerful strikes with a closed fist, aka boxing. AI Overview: In evolutionary biology and psychology, there is a prominent theory suggesting that male bodies are partially shaped by natural and sexual selection for physical combat. Competition for resources and reproductive success favored males who were physically dominant and adept at fighting. 1, 2] Scientists point to several specific physiological and anatomical features that suggest a historical adaptation for fighting, particularly hand-to-hand combat and punching: 1, 2] Upper-Body Strength: On average, human males have roughly \(75\%\) more upper-body muscle mass than females, which provides a significant advantage in grappling and striking. The Human Fist: Unlike other primates, human hand proportions allow for the formation of a rigid fist, which some researchers argue evolved specifically to deliver blows without breaking the hand. Skull and Facial Structure: Certain features, such as more robust cheekbones, jaws, and brow ridges, correspond to the bones most frequently broken in fights, leading to the theory that early male hominins evolved more "punch-resistant" faces. Shoulder Mechanics: Male shoulder girdles allow for powerful, fast forward-arm motions that are optimized for throwing and striking. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5] This is why boxing is known as the oldest competitive sport and "the king of combat sports" it's also the reason why any big, powerful guy will always be in with "a punchers chance" against a boxing champion. Or even a fucking grizzly bear! Because there is at least one documented case of an athletic, 200lb plus guy turning a charging grizzly by catching it coming in with a single huge punch to the head. He broke his hand and wrist doing it, but the grizzly stopped its charge, thought "fuck that .. I'm outa here" and ran away. The talent pool for boxing or any combat sports is basically 'The planet Earth. Because every single person in the World, needs an ability to defend themselves. It is an essential skill; this becomes very apparent when you first start attending school. Almost instinctually, people start to sort themselves out into levels'. And those levels are defined by 'who is the best fighter. That was one of the experiences for me personally in school. And it is the same for most people all over the World'. Note: So being able to fight, and be a competent athlete is an essential skill in life 'and has been for 1000's of years. And when I refer to being a component athlete, I am talking about the fundamental athletic skills such as running, jumping, throwing, sprinting, and endurance events. Those are the fundamental athletic skills which are used in all sports'. The facts of reality on planet earth is 'playing Soccer, Tennis, NFL, Basketball, you name it. Non of those activities have been a essential skill for survival. They are leisure activities that have only really gain popularity, in the last 100 years. And a lot of the reasons predominantly for mainstream team sports being popular is just a social thing. People want to be a part of a group'. I will actually acknowledge that Tennis does take a lot of talent 'and I personally rate all individual sports, separate to team sports. I just believe they have a higher level of jeopardy, and demand a higher work ethic to either become the best or just compete at a top level'. There are certain sports, where you don't have to be a supporter to have a interest 'Boxing is one of those sports. It is not a leisure activity, which is why it is quite silly to compare it to mainstream modern day team sports'. And I am specifically highlighting those sports 'because the thread starter, is using those sports to demean boxing. They have only been a factor for approximately 100 years. Will they even be relevant in 1000 years time? Will a leisure activity be relevant in 1000's years time. There is a likely-hood that mankind could have create new sports to overhaul them'. To conclude: Overall boxing demands both innate talent and then a supreme level of work ethic 'to force yourself into a sport as barbaric as boxing in this civilized world, needs an athlete to have a very extreme competitive attitude'. The pressure to win is just off the scale 'if you are not winning, then you don't move forward. In many other sports, especially the mainstream modern day team sports. A rookie athlete can just show a flash of talent, and get some sort of contract with a team'. In boxing the world 'does not work like that. If Anthony Joshua did not win the 2012 Olympics, his career may have taken a completely different trajectory' etc.

Boxing or fighting is an innate ability for most people 'tennis, football, basketball are not innate abilities or activities. They have to be taught from the bottom up. They are modern day leisure activities, with in reality very little history within mankind's time on earth'. I think you are way off if you claim 'boxing involves less talent. Because? Fighting is one attribute which as aided in our survival for 1000's of years. In nature being able to play Soccer, Tennis and basketball will not really aid in your survival. Those activities have merely only risen up in society, since humans have become more comfortable and society a lot more civilized'. There is no need to be hysterical about this deathoftheclown 'surely you are not one of those men who get all hysterical watching other men run around a field kicking a ball? Come on. Do you really think men were behaving like this 1000's of years ago? No they were not. Men were ether fighting or being forced to be great athletes. And when I say great athletes, I am not talking about kicking a football, or throwing a ball into a basket'. And the fact of the matter is? The best athletes in the world 'are not in the sports you have mentioned on this thread. To attempt to put down boxing'. The fastest, strongest and most enduring athletes in the world are not soccer, tennis, basketball players. We know this because? Sport such as Track and Field, Cycling, Swimming, Olympic, Power lifting and strong man events. The fundamental basis of all those sports is to measure mankind's pure ability when it comes to speed, endurance, power and strength'. Note: You are obviously most likely a hysterical fan of soccer 'whoever you think if hard man in soccer, is getting absolute pulverized in a boxing ring or street by a top level boxer. Players like Roy Keane, and whoever they are all getting smashed up badly'. Whoever you think is the fastest soccer ever 'would most likely be beaten very easily by country level track and field athlete, I won't even compare them to national level track and field athletes. I have seen semi-professional and professional football players, be annihilated week in and week out on the track. Whatever you want, speed or endurance training sessions'. When it comes to fighting 'we know that boxers, mixed arts fighters, and all the other combats sports. Those are the best athletes in the World at fighting'. And being able to fight, has been a essential skill for mankind 'in order to survive on earth. Playing Soccer, Tennis, and basketball has not been an essential skill. They are modern day leisure activates, entertainment in the similar way to Coronation street, and EastEnders. Those are the facts'. So to say that boxing requires less talent, does not make any sense 'because being able to fight is what has aided mankind's survival'. All of those sports you have brought into this thread, to demean boxing 'what are they actually the best of deathoftheclown? What are we watching here, that has any deep historical relevance? Because as I have just told you? They are not the fastest, strongest, most enduring athletes in the World. They are playing leisure games which takes a great deal of skill and dedication, but I think being a all-time great artist may take even more skill'. Paul Gascoigne was a great football player 'but he was not the best athlete in the world. Do you really think he has the fastest most acute reactions times in sports? No. So was his Spatial Awareness greater than a formula 1, or World Rally Car Driver? No, don't be silly, and sit yourself down with that absolute crap. You have been saying on this thread'. A Formula 1 driver has to make decisions 'in hundredths of a second. And this decision can potentially determine whether they stay on this planet. Because they are moving in a object at over 200 plus miles per hour at times'. And this similar level of jeopardy is also in boxing 'fighters have to make decisions in split seconds. Wrong decision? Or you don't execute a move fast enough? You can be removed from this planet and put into another realm of reality'. To conclude: The point I am trying to make here on this thread deathoftheclown 'you have attempted to put down and demean boxing. By using bunch of modern day leisure activities, that for sure? Are very popularly, but so is Coronation street and EastEnders'. So in my opinion, which is back up by 1000's of years of history. Boxing definitively involves a lot of talent. And the jeopardy involved in the sport, makes it a way more serious sport than many of the sports you are using to demean it'. And I am marginalizing and specifically highlighting Soccer, Tennis, Basketball, and more, the general modern day mainstream leisure activities. Great sports, awesome entertainment, tremendous athletes. But I personally don't put them in the same category as elite level boxers' etc.

In a few months time, nobody will care about this performance 'and? At least he decked Rico Verhoeven, and forced a stoppage'. But? I agree that it was not a great performance from Oleksandr Uysk 'and he clearly was not in his best condition'. I believe even if Oleksandr Uysk was a tad out of condition, he should be good enough 'to beat an career kick boxer and novice professional boxer like Verhoeven. But this clearly was not the case'. Note: Oleksandr Uysk is a great fighter 'but he has a small performance window i.e. if an attribute is just a bit off, then his entire game can be decreased dramatically'. Whereas fighters such as Muhammad Ali, Tyson Fury, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, we have seen those fighters out of condition 'and they were still able to beat World level fighters. And not by scoring controversial stoppages'. Mike Tyson was not in optimal condition vs. Andrew Golota and Francis Botha 'but he still beat both fighters, near enough at the peak of their game'. To conclude: Oleksandr Uysk is the premier heavyweight Champion of the world, if he wants to carry on fighting 'in my opinion he has to rematch Rico Verhoeven. It is plain and simple. There is no way he can behave similarly to how Tyson Fury did when he was beaten by Francis Ngannou'. Anthony Joshua had to step up and beat the greatest existential crisis the heavyweight divisions and boxing had faced in the 21st century 'and he did! He obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'. But I rate Oleksandr Uysk differently as a fighter compared to Tyson Fury 'and I expect that he would want to avenge his under par performance himself vs. Rico Verhoeven'. If Tyson Fury avoids fighting Anthony Joshua 'which is not inconceivable even at this stage of their careers, and apparently with the fight agreed'. There is another fight which would well and truly, shy rocket Anthony Joshua's career 'and universal perception again. If Anthony Joshua could obliterate Rico Verhoven, then this would give him masses of momentum in his career' etc.

Frank Sanchez just like Agit Kabayel should be aiming to actually beat a elite level heavyweight fighter 'beating Richard Torrez is not a elite level, and potentially not even a World level win. Those are the facts'. Note: But I will say this? I have always rated Frank Sanchez skill for skill as an Heavyweight fighter 'and at the time when he fought Kabayel, I was backing him to win'. If Frank Sanchez was injured, or his preparation was negatively affected 'during the build up to his fights vs. Agit Kabayel, then I the rematch vs. Kabyayel will be a good fight for him'. In reality all of the heavyweight fighters below 'Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. Really should not be attempting to dictate who Uysk fights next. They are merely just contenders that have risen up in the game, during this era's latter stages. Because they were not good enough to be major factors in the heavyweight divisions when Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and Deontay Wilder were at the peaks of their title reigns'. To conclude: I think if fighters like Agit Kabayel and Frank Sanchez want to be involved in a big fight 'then they should target Moses Itauma. Because Itauma is the guy right now, who the media machine in boxing has chosen as the future Heavyweight Champion'. Beating such a fighter will propel you forward as a fighter 'and increase your profile globally in the game' etc.

Agit Kabayel turned professional before Anthony Joshua 'and he was an active fighter, during the Heavyweight reigns of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'. For many years Agit Kabayel has been a non-factor in the heavyweight divisions at top level 'he has only just recently in the conclusive stages of this era, suddenly became a factor at top level. Because the entire divisions has basically been cleared out in combination by Fury, Joshua and Wilder. And then Oleksandr Uysk of course beat the two premier Heavyweight Champions of this era, in Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'. Note: The main point I am trying to make is? Agit Kabayel is in no position now 'has been in no position in the past, and most likely will never be in a position. To dictate towards fighters such as Oleksandr Uysk, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and even Deontay Wilder in my opinion'. When Agit Kabayel was actually in better condition 'he was struggling to beat a demotivated Derek Chisora. People need to not kid themselves; he has not suddenly become this monster elite level fighter during the past few years'. To conclude: Overall I personally think that Agit Kabayel should pipe down 'but if his phone calls, and ether Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua or Oleksandr Uysk want to fight him. Then he better pipe down even more, and understand that he does not dictate the moves of those heavyweight fighters'. If this Heavyweight era was made into a cinematic peace 'Agit Kabayel is not one of the main characters. He would have very few scenes of lines in the movie. This entire Heavyweight era is the story of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Uysk in the mid to latter stages'. I still think Agit Kabayel needs to achieve bigger wins on his resume 'for the fight vs. Oleksandr Uysk to become significant 'Daniel Dubois to his credit somehow, beat Anthony Joshua. Agit Kabayel has no win on his resume, anywhere near that level'. Zhilei Zhang is nowhere near the level of Anthony Joshua 'during the 2012 Olympics, Joshua smashed up Zhang easy on route to his Olympic title win' etc.

Daniel Dubois is a worst fighter now, than when he fought against both Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Uysk. Note: Daniel Dubois and Don Charles deserves big credit for winning vs. Fabio Wardley 'but I think from a pure technical perspective, people are overrating against what Dubois has achieved'. Fabio Wardley has lost 95% of all the boxing rounds he has fought at 'World level. He was losing vs. Justis Huni and Joseph Parker, before he was able to turn those fights around with his power. Wardley is not a elite level boxer, and struggles to win rounds at world level consistently. I would rate Fabio Wardley skill for skill as a European level boxer at best, it has been his power and determination to win which has alleviated him to World level similar to Deontay Wilder'. Daniel Dubois vs. Fabio Wardley to me appeared to be crude in his movements, and his gears seemed to have decreased vs. the version of Dubois I saw vs. both Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Uysk'. I still think he is a front runner at top level 'when a fighter subjects him to consistent pressure, and his offense is not making a big impact'. To conclude: Overall I don't think there is any pressure on Oleksandr Uysk to fight Daniel Dubois for the third time 'he has stopped and knocked him out twice. This is what people need to acknowledge, out of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Daniel Dubois'. Daniel Dubois efforts to beat Oleksandr Uysk has actually been the worst 'both Fury and Joshua fought better efforts vs. Oleksandr Uysk twice back to back. Dubois was knocked out by a jab, then lasered out in the rematch'. I understand that there is some sort of media machine now endorsing Daniel Dubois 'but in my opinion if he ever fights Anthony Joshua again, don't be surprised if he does not win a single round. Because that is how conclusively, and supremely Joshua should have beaten him in their first fight'. If Oleksandr Uysk is to fight a British Heavyweight fighter for the third time 'that fight currently right now, is most likely Tyson Fury. But? If Anthony Joshua smashed up Tyson Fury during their potential fight, then even that trilogy goes out of the window'. And I don't expect Tyson Fury to beat Anthony Joshua 'I have stated this before, Fury is getting smashed up and knocked out for the first time in his career when and if he eventually fights Anthony Joshua' etc.

Stylistically Filip Hrgovic should be a straight forward fight for Moses Itauma 'if he is as good as his team think'. Note: I think the fighters who could give Moses Itauma trouble are 'power punchers, who can skill for skill wins rounds against him. Or in general fighters who can make him lose rounds, and stay on the fight against him for the long term'. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk 'those level fighters'. But Filip Hrgovic is a very durable fighter, and he is skill for skill 'a solid level fighter. Hrgovic may have already in his career fought bigger punchers than Itauma such as Zhilei Zhang and Daniel Dubois'. It is not the share one punch force of Itauma which I think 'has been dismantling fighters. It is the speed, accuracy and placement of his punches'. But thus far in his career, he has fought a bunch of fighters 'that were all either miles outside their peak, or there with no real serious ambition of winning'. Filip Hrgovic will go into this fight vs. Moses Itauma with the ambition of winning 'and in his mind? He genuinely most likely believes he is the better fighter'. I am not one of those individuals in the boxing community who believe 'Moses Itauma is untouchable. I have detected minor signs that he could be a front runner as a fighter. I don't think his innate conditioning and endurance is the best, and this may just be a trait which he has as a fighter'. To conclude: This is definitively a great fight to make for both fighters 'because they both have a lot to gain from the win. It would be Moses Itauma first top level win, and a win for Filip Hrgovic would propel him back up the ratings to where he was before he fought Daniel Dubois'. Filip Hrgovic took a big hit in his career 'when he lost to Daniel Dubois. The lost was not expected by many experts in the game, and since then he has been overlooked as a treat to the top elite level fighters'. I personally think Filip Hrgovic is a solid fighter 'but I would back fighters such as Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua to beat him even at this stage of his career' etc.

In terms of historical significance Audley Harrisons Olympic Gold Medal, is worth more than most Heavyweight World titles won 'it was always going to be his biggest achievement in his career in my opinion'. Note: Just imagine? He was Great Britain's first Olympic boxing Gold Medallist for 32 years 'and the first ever fighter to win the Olympic Gold in the Super Heavyweight Divisions. Only Anthony Joshua has duplicated this feat since Harrison became Champion in the Sydney 2000 Olympics'. In my opinion winning an Olympic title is worth more in terms of prestige than all individual professional boxing World titles 'the only feat in professional boxing which can rival the Olympic title is becoming a Undisputed Champion. That is it'. To conclude: Overall people may mock Audley Harrison, but many of the fighters who beat him 'he had a overall better career than them. I am referring to fighters such as Danny Williams, Michael Sprott and David Price. Harrisons also avenged his loses to Williams and Sprott'. I like David Price as a fighter, he also had a solid career 'but in reality Audley Harrison both in the amateur ranks and professional ranks overall achieved a better career'. Audley Harrison achieved the pinnacle in the amateur ranks and fought a World title in the professional ranks. Commonwealth Games Champion, Olympic Champion. And in the professional ranks he won both the European and Commonwealth titles. He was a above average fighter in terms of technical skill, and he did inspire a generations of fighters within the amateur ranks'. Audley Harrison won his Olympic Gold Medal without the aid of lottery funding 'but ever single medal won by the Great British Olympic team since, has been supported by lottery funding. It was Audley Harrisons Olympic dream which started it all, and he himself was the man who demanded the sport needed to be funded and considered alongside Track and Field Athletics as one of the premier Olympic sports'. I do not hesitate once upon a time, to say that I supported Audley Harrison during his entire career. Against all the odds 'up against all the critics, no matter how futile his attempts were in the professional ranks. He was a inspiring fighter, and he tried and gave his all until there was no more' etc.

I don't think ether fighter would want to fight each other 'now that they are training partners'. There is a likely-hood that Oleksandr Uysk will also retire before 'Anthony Joshua'. I personally would like to see Joshua rematch Daniel Dubois 'and by the looks of the heavyweight division landscape currently right now. It appears that those two fighters could be once again on a collision course'. Note: I disagree with the people stating that no version of Anthony Joshua can beat Tyson Fury 'I am quite content that Joshua is potentially going to fight Fury in 2026. Stylistically out of Deontay Wilder and Oleksandr Uysk. Tyson Fury is actually one of the easiest mega fights for Anthony Joshua'. It is not a question of whether Anthony Joshua will win 'it is a question of what round he will win in. I believe Joshua will be the first heavyweight to legitimate knock out Tyson Fury in his career'. The challenge of beating Anthony Joshua is stylistically more difficult for Tyson Fury 'than attempting to beat Oleksandr Uysk. Joshua is Fury's most stylistically difficult fight that could be made for him in this entire heavyweight era'. The timing of the fight between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'has always in my opinion, made the fight even more difficult to win for Fury. At their peaks Joshua was the better all round athlete, and now even if they are not at their absolute peaks. Anthony Joshua's near psychopathic work ethic throughout the years has solidified his conditioning more robustly than Tyson Fury'. To conclude: Anthony Joshua is the only Heavyweight fighter, to improve their effort vs. Oleksandr Uysk during rematches. Tyson Fury was beaten more easily in his rematch vs. Uysk and so was Tyson Fury. So if a potentially trilogy fights between the two fighters was to happen, of course I would back Anthony Joshua for the win 'but currently right now? I think Joshua has to win some mega fights such as vs. Tyson Fury and Daniel Dubois to put himself in a position for such a mega trilogy fight'.. There is not much pressure for Oleksandr Uysk to fight ether Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua for the third time 'even though from a skill for skill perspective, those are the two fighters with the ability to beat Oleksandr Uysk' etc.

Anthony Joshua is a more stylistically difficult fight for Tyson Fury to win 'than fighting Oleksandr Uysk'. It has always been a difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'and his entire team know this'. Note: Tyson Fury has only beaten one Super Heavyweight, with elite level punching power and boxing skill 'and that fighter was Wladimir Kiltschko in an underwhelming fight. That fight was no master class, and Fury fought on the back foot all night. In fact I will rephrase that? Fury was backed up all night by Wladimir Kiltschko, that is the one thing people overlook during that fight'. Since that fight? The boxing machine which endorses Tyson Fury 'has promoted him as a fighter who bulldozes forward and destroys fighters. When in reality he has only used those type of tactics vs. fighters he had outweighed by 40 to 50 + pounds such as Deontay Wilder and Steve USS Cunningham'. Tyson Fury has never successfully applied heavy offensive tactics vs. any super heavyweight fighters 'regardless of whether they where domestic, European or elite level. No doubt that Tyson Fury is a great boxer, but this notion that he is this monster inside game fighter is a complete over exaggeration'. He attempted to fight Derek Chisora during their first fight on the front foot 'and he as battered, the fight could have went ether way. The remaining two fights of their trilogy Fury used his usually Riddler styled fighting tactics, and fought from the back foot'. The point I am trying to make here, is that I have always regarded Anthony Joshua as Tyson Fury most stylistically difficult fight 'of this entire heavyweight era. Even if both fighters are not at their absolute peak, I still hold this same view of the fight'. Anthony Joshua is a solid super heavyweight with proven elite level boxing skills and punching power 'if you analyse Joshua at his peak, or in solid form by his individual fighting attributes. He is the only fighter that can be considered elite in almost all areas of his game. The question and challenge for Joshua, has always been to combined those attributes all in one fight'. Anthony Joshua has fought and beaten the most power punches of his heavyweight era 'his resume has more depth than Tyson Fury's. In all the common opponents they have shared, Joshua has scored more impressive and conclusive wins'. Tyson Fury was busted up real good and pushed real close to the line in a 12 round fight vs. Otto Wallin, Anthony Joshua forced a stoppage vs. Otto Wallin inside 6 rounds'. Francis Ngannou beat Tyson Fury over 10 rounds, he decked him once and statistically won the fight on all the most important metrics, Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'. Tyson Fury in my opinion achieved a great win vs. Wladimir Kiltschko in terms of historical significance, but in the action was underwhelming. Fury was incapable of ether knocking out Kiltschko seriously hurting him. Anthony Joshua 17 months later stepped up and fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko who Fury should have fought in their scheduled rematch, but unfortunately did not due to his then circumstance. Joshua knocked out and forced Wladimir Kiltschko to retire, in the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. It was objectively a more conclusive win'. To conclude: If and when Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua fight 'I will be backing Joshua for the win. And by knock out or systematic beat down. Tyson Fury has never been Anthony Joshua most stylistically difficult fight, I would actually consider Deontay Wilder as a more stylistically difficult and dangerous fight for Joshua'. I honestly believe that Tyson Fury has been forced into this fight 'he has no World title obligations to use as an excuse to avoid the fight. And the public pressure has become too intense for him to get out of the fight. If Tyson Fury does not take the fight after many years of mocking and insulting Anthony Joshua, in my opinion he is not representing his gypsy fighting culture positively'. This is way Tyson Fury has taken this fight 'he has to challenge Anthony Joshua; this is about not only being one of the three heavyweight mountains of this era, along with Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder. This is about being a Fury' etc.

It is better suited for earlier in the build up to fights 'not just after the two fighters, have weighed in'. Note: Fabio Wardley and Daniel Dubois are heavyweight fighters 'so they most likely are more optimal trained, than many of the modern day lower weight class fighters who used backwards training techniques such as weight draining. But even Heavyweight fighters, I think would dislike this cauldron situation'. It all depends; fighters such as Fabio Wardley seemed fine with it 'while Daniel Dubois was clearly disengaged and not really contributing much to the dynamic. But to his credit he stated in loud and very clear, it was now time to fight for him'. To conclude: I think the traditional build up to boxing fights is fine 'the press conferences and then the grand weigh ins. If fighters want to talk, then great. If not? Then they should be allowed to approach the fight however they want. And not be forced into an interview styled situation, and interrogation'. When Dillian Whyte fought Tyson Fury 'he refused to attend any press conferences. I immediately knew he was done in this fight. Whyte was already outside of his peak by the time in eventually fought Tyson Fury, but? His best chance of beating Fury was to really go at him during all the head to head confrontations'. Like Derek Chisora, I think Dillian Whyte would be one of the few heavyweight fighters 'game to smack Fury outside if the boxing. And I personally was expecting Whyte to do just that, give Fury a smack and push outside the ring. But instead he stay clear of Fury, and in my opinion was uncharacteristically subdued'. I don't think Tyson Fury is this big fighting man outside the ring like he claims 'I have always stated that? I don't think he has ever had a straightener outside the ring in his life. If he did, then there would be stories being told by many. And that is not an insult, because it is a testament to how his family have protected him and made sure he focused on his boxing' But when I see Tyson Fury attempting to claim that he is this big bare knuckle gypsy fighter 'I am like? You are not about that life, so pipe down'. Overall back onto the topic of the cauldron, I think it is fine 'to put both fighters in this situation early during the fight build up. The weigh in is too close to the fight' etc.

This may be Fabio Wardley last big chance at being a World Champion 'he has to take the rematch'. Fabio Wardley skill for skill, is not much higher than a European level fighter 'so? If he was not to take this rematch. And continue his career back down at domestic level, then there is a likely-hood that he would be winning fights but sustain higher damage'. Note: The facts are. Fabio Wardley was embroiled in a brutal fight vs. Frazier Clarke 'as much as I don't rate Daniel Dubois as an elite level fighter. Even I will acknowledge that no version of Daniel Dubois is ever being embroiled in 12 round fight vs. Frazier Clarke'. I would back Daniel Dubois to win the rematch vs. Fabio Wardley 'but? I still think Wardley can be a live and dangerous underdog. He has the power to hurt Dubois, but his boxing fundamentals need to be substantially improved'. Fabio Wardley could make a lot of fights easier for himself 'if he had a better defence, jab and spatial awareness inside a boxing ring'. He has been getting through all of his recent fights at top level, with pure determination, aggression and power'. Fabio Wardley has lost I estimate 90 to 95% of all the boxing rounds he has fought at World level 'he needs to be able to not only hurt fighters and deck them. But actually win rounds consistently'. This is the difference between Fabio Wardley, Anthony Joshua 'they have both been beaten by Dubois'. But? Anthony Joshua has the ability to win rounds vs. elite level heavyweight fighters 'only Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua in a skill for skill boxing fights where able to win rounds vs. Oleksandr Uysk as a Heavyweight Champion'. I don't really think Daniel Dubois was winning round vs. Oleksandr Uysk 'but he was pushing him, and making the challenge to win rounds for Uysk difficult. From a pure technical and skill perspective, you could see the levels in difference between Dubois and Uysk'. Whereas both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'are a lot closer to Oleksandr Uysk in terms of boxing skill'. To conclude: Fabio Wardley has made the right choice in my opinion imitating this rematch clause; he is at his peak as a fighter 'so he might as well go again'. Many people complained over the referee, I personally think the referee performed great 'boxing is a dangerous sport. And people need to accept this. Fighters train not so referee's can stop the fight as soon as they are hurt'. And people may say things like? But there are consequences of letting such a brutal fight continue. There are consequences in life in many professions. And people still go out there and do it. Fighters fight, and that is why we respect them and refer to them as gladiators'. Professional fighters are sometimes retired because they don't want to fight anymore 'Fabio Wardley wants to fight, and he was defending his WBO World Heavyweight title'. Toney Bellew was the only former professional fighter 'who told people straight in his own words. Fabio Wardley was defending his WBO World Heavyweight title, and he was still trying to win'. You don't stop the fight, or pull a fighter out of a fight 'when they are renowned for their power punching and still trying to win'. This is why I never agreed with Deontay Wilder being pulled out of his second fight vs. Tyson Fury 'and I don't agree with the people complaining over the potential late stoppage of Fabio Wardley vs. Daniel Dubois I'. I fully understand from a compassionate perspective why people make those sort of comments 'But really? If people want to be all compassionate. Then go and volunteer for something you really care about. Nature and Animals, people in unfortunate circumstances the list goes on'. I see people mocking fighters all the time for losing fights, and then those same people 'want to portray themselves as all compassionate towards the fighters'. Fabio Wardley as former Champion 'had to take this rematch. That says a lot of his competitive nature, and it is inspiring. I can only commend both fighters if they agree for this immediate rematch' etc.

Daniel Dubois is a worst fighter now, than when he fought Oleksandr Uysk and Anthony Joshua 'he has that same crudest and rudimentary style like he did vs. those fighters. Boy I bet Anthony Joshua as the 2012 Olympic Champion, is embarrassed to have been beaten by Dubois'. Note: Yes! Daniel Dubois is aggressive and he does have fairly solid boxing fundamentals 'and those are the fundamental skills which aided in his victory vs. Fabio Wardley'. Wardley is another aggressive fighter, with very limited boxing skills and his fundamentals are not really refined 'and this is what made his fights vs. Daniel Dubois or any World level fighter thus-far in his career super difficult'. I stated before the fight? The one issue and concern I have with Fabio Wardley in this fight 'is that he seems to have the inability to win rounds at top level. He lost almost 95% of the rounds vs. Justis Huni, and he was being well beaten by Joseph Parker'. It was his power which turned those fights around 'but if a fighter wants to become a genuine sustained threat at World level. They must have the ability to win rounds'. We have seen what happens when fighters who rely on power 'struggle to win rounds at top level? They get beaten up'. Deontay Wilder if he is not winning 'is being assaulted by his opponents, and that's almost all of them'. Anthony Joshua during his career, may have lost fights 'but even during those loses, he has never really severely been beaten up. Even against Daniel Dubois? Fabio Wardley in comparison from start to the conclusion of the fight sustained more damage than Joshua'. Go and look at the pictures of both Fabio Wardley and Anthony Joshua 'post fight vs. Daniel Dubois. Wardley is by far more beaten up, and had sustained more heavy damage'. Daniel Dubois is a World level fighter, but I still don't rate him as an elite level fighter 'I think Oleksandr Uysk still has the capability to beat him'. Dubois does not have the speed, or tactical creativity to beat Oleksandr Uysk 'and I would not even back him to beat Anthony Joshua for the second time'. It was Tony Bellew who stated 'Daniel Dubois will ether win in spectacular fashion, or lose in spectacular fashion. Dubois was knocked out by a single jab vs. Usyk, and then he beats Joshua. Then he was lasered out by Uysk again. And now he beats Fabio Wardley'. Matched Daniel Dubois vs. Tyson Fury or Anthony Joshua next 'I would not be surprised if he loses every single round vs. those two fighters. Even at this stage of their careers'. And yes! I know Daniel Dubos has beaten Anthony Joshua. Dubois he had his Any Given Saturday: In reference to the NFL movie: Any Given Sunday: 1999'. Anthony Joshua vs. Daniel Dubois fought his worst ever technical fight, amassed with unforced errors and technical mistakes 'he took knockout blow in the first round. There is no way, Joshua still should have been in that fight 5 rounds later. And at that point Joshua was not just surviving he was beginning to turn the fight around, while still heavily concussed'. I am adamant if Anthony Joshua just would have maintained his composure, and kept his game basic after whamming Dubois in the 5th round with his back hand 'then he would have went on to systematically beat up Dubois over the distance'. To conclude: Congratulations to Daniel Dubois for becoming a two time World Heavyweight Champion and achieving another spectacular win 'but I don't see any massive improvements in his game. We have seen Fabio Wardley since he started to fight at World level, pretty much lose 90% of the rounds he has fought at this level'. The big difference is vs. Justis Huni and Joseph Parker 'is that losing rounds to Dubois is a bad idea. Because to his credit he does have big punching power. And this is what predominately along with his basic boxing fundamentals aided in his victory' etc.

It is actually good business for both fighters to rematch each other 'because? The other mega fights for Deontay Wilder are vs. Anthony Joshua'. But let's be real? Anthony Joshua potentially could so easily laser out Wilder within 2 rounds 'and I don't think that type of experience is something that would benefit Deontay Wilder in his life regardless of how big the fight is between him and Joshua'. Note: Derek Chisora vs. Deontay Wilder II 'would be an even bigger fight than their first. Many people were entertained by the first fight, and they would all most likely be highly interested in a rematch'. It is a very easy fight to market, as there is now a even deeper narrative between the two fighters 'it was a violent and chaotic fight, a straighter between two intense characters in the game'. It is quite clear that both fighters do not intend to retire, so? If that is the case, they will be better fighting each other 'than some of the other top level heavyweights in the World. Who may be trying to increase their own resumes, achieving wins over Derek Chisora and Deontay Wilder outside of their peaks'. To conclude: I originally picked Derek Chisora to win the first fight, but? As the fight draw closer, I moved towards a Deontay Wilder win 'quite simply because? Derek Chisora has very rarely during his career won his biggest fights. Whereas Deontay Wilder in comparison has won many of his biggest and most significant fights, that was why he was a former WBC World Heavyweight Champion and defended the title 10 times'. If the rematch was made between the two fighters, I would back Deontay Wilder for the win 'but Derek Chisora would be a live underdog in the fight' etc.

Usually i say after a good fight and a lot of hype and retelling of the bout to move on, but not so here re-live it enjoy it whatever but still know how much this fight could have done for Boxing ..... for Boxing talking getting move fans back into or watching for the first time if only if Boxing were more accessable talking easy access talking somehow making boxing more mainstream again. PPV cards are fine only if you build up the fight by way of a lot of fight cards that cost less then a dime. The times have not changed boxing-matches sells itself but Boxing as a whole has got to make it easier to access, more available to more sport fans then the way it does now. I can love the sport of Boxing and still say that its promo boys and platforms have to love it enough to not cheapen it by making every event a money grab...................and a hype job. 57Blues, we live in a time of accessibility, I think you are over exaggerating the lack of exposure boxing or any sports gets 'if you want to learn how to build space rockets, guess what? You can. You can read books, or access masses of information in libraries or online'. 30 years ago, if you missed a big boxing fight 'where exactly could you re-watch it? Nowhere really'. But in today, you can just type in 'Daniel Dubois vs. Fabio Wardley, on the internet and watch the fight'. I think certain people within the boxing community need to stop yearning for the validation from casual sports fans 'I have stated this many times before? People in society need to stop letting lemmings run their lives'. 57Blues, If people like something, and have a passion for it 'then they will go out of their way to pursue it. Whether this is boxing, or anything in life it does not need to be shoved in their faces. And those are the facts'. It seems to me 57Blues, you want people to be talking about boxing 'or watching boxing on a surface level. You want people watching the sport that really don't care about the sport, or have a deep passion for it'. This happens all the time with the Olympics, NFL Super Bowl, Wimbledon Tennis, The Masters Golf 'Those are sporting events which attract casual sports fans, for a short period of time each year. Then many of those folks disappear for another year, until the next big event'. In my opinion people like that in society don't really benefit sports on a very deep level 'because they are just pursuing something momentarily for themselves, and their own group think hive mind behaviour'. To conclude: 57Blues, boxing needs educated sports fans 'not masses of casual sports fans. Because the educated sport fans, have endurance and loyalty whether it's rain or shine. Whether a fight is a brawl, or a technical boxing match'. I just think this attitude you have is dramatic, and you want too much the validation from certain folk in society that don't care about boxing. Boxing is very accessible; most things are 'the question is? Do certain people care? And if they don't care. Then stop worrying about them 57Blues etc.

It was a great fight between Fabio Wardley and Daniel Dubois in terms of action 'but skill for skill, it was not a very high level fight'. If Moses Itauma and his team, rate his own boxing skills 'they will see plenty of ways to beat Daniel Dubois'. I honestly don't think fighters such as Tyson Fury and even Anthony Joshua rate fighters like 'Wardley and Dubois in terms of their boxing skill. But they respect their punching power and ability to throw with aggression'. Note: Daniel Dubois achieved a great win 'he is now a two time World Heavyweight Champion. I am content for Dubois and Don Charles as a boxing coach'. But I honestly still see a quite crude and basic fighter in Daniel Dubois 'if he was skill for skill a elite level fighter. He really should have made a fight vs. Fabio Wardley much more easier to win'. Joseph Parker even while by his admittance, he did not prepare with the optimal tactics for Fabio Wardley 'Parker was still winning that fight, by far more easier than Daniel Dubois. Joseph Parker, could have also been allowed to carry on vs. Wardley. Yes he was hurt badly, but he was still on his feet'. To conclude: I think the pressure is on for Moses Itauma 'because time keeps on moving. Soon enough, he will not be this rookie fighter. And people who have bought into his hype, will want to see him matched vs. genuine top level fighters in high jeopardy fights'. I think a fight vs. Daniel Dubois should be a stylistically easy fight for Moses Itauma 'if he is as good as his team claim him to be. It should have been a easy fight for Anthony Joshua, but instead he fought his worst ever technical fight in his professional boxing career'. If Moses Itauma was going to fight Daniel Dubois next 'there would have been some sort of confrontation between the two fighters already. I personally don't think Frank Warren and Queensbury boxing want that fight to be made'. It actually makes more sense for Dubois and Wardley to make their rematch 'and maximise the business, which their rivalry can produce' etc.

Fabio must think twice before activating the clause. Better do it after at least two fights and a lot of physical and mental recovery time, no shame in that. Anthony "The Sausage" Joshua didn't dare, claiming Rematchroom didn't ask for such a clause in the contract. When the ropes are the only thing preventing you from falling, you can be considered down, even out if you are in defensive mode, not throwing any punches and shaken, which all happened with Wardley several times past round 6. So yeah, the stoppage should have come earlier, and I was expecting it in rounds 8 or 9. Is Tyson Fury also a sausage? Because he never made the rematch vs. Deontay Wilder immediately, in fact? And he pulled out of the scheduled rematch vs. Wladimir Kiltschko twice unfortunately due to his then circumstance. Tyson Fury also never made the rematch vs. Francis Ngannou, after it was universally accepted that he lost that fight over 10 rounds, it was down to Anthony Joshua to step up and beat Francis Ngannou and defend heavyweight boxing from its biggest existentialist threat of this century'. Note: Out of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Fabio Wardley 'Joshua is the only one of those three fighters, to avenge a loss immediately at top level vs. Andy Ruiz Junior II'. But I agree with you? In regards to the damage accumulating from his recent fights 'maybe being embroiled in another brutal fight for Fabio Wardly vs. Daniel Dubois II, is not going to be very beneficial for him unless he wins'. But Fabio Wardley is not in the position of Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'those two fighters can due to their own merit and resumes, step in and out of mega fights. They are not sitting around waiting for big opportunities; they are the fighters that create mega opportunities for other heavyweight fighters'. If a big opportunity is right there for Fabio Wardley 'I think he has to take it. He may never get another opportunity to fight for a World title again. He is clearly not an elite level boxer, and he struggles to win rounds consistently against Heavyweight fighters above domestic and European level'. To conclude: So for me personally, I think Fabio Wardley should initiate an immediate rematch 'not many top level fighters, are going to want to fight Wardley without any World titles on the line. He has to seize this opportunity and take the rematch'. Fabio Wardley has the power to hurt Daniel Dubois 'but unfortunately his boxing fundamentals are lacking. But this can be improved. Will it be enough for him to win a rematch? Well he will not be the favourite, but he will be a live underdog in his rematch vs. Daniel Dubois II'. Fighters like both Fabio Wardley and Daniel Dubois in my opinion 'don't really have the ability to be long time reigning champions. They make stylistically easy fights for them, difficult and as you can see with their careers. They have both already been embroiled in more serve brutal fights than Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'. And that is not because they have fought at higher level 'it is because they are not elite level fighters' skill for skill. Fights which Fury and Joshua have won quite straight forward, may have been brutal fights for Dubois and especially Wardley'. Congratulations to Daniel Dubois and both Fabio Wardley for a great fight etc.

The momentum coming into this fight is with Fabio Wardley 'but Daniel Dubois does have the best win on his resume, which is vs. Anthony Joshua'. Stylistically, I don't think it is a easy fight for Fabio Wardley 'because skill for skill he is does not really have elite level boxing skills like Anthony Joshua'. Note: In reality Joshua should have beaten Dubois, but instead? He fought his worst ever technical fight, during his professional career. A fight which contained many unforced errors and technical mistakes, from the usually extremely fundamentally sound Joshua'. The path for Fabio Wardley to win this fight is clear to me 'survive the first 4 to 6 rounds, and then begin to land his big punches. If Daniel Dubois is not visibly hurting Wardley but is being hit and damaged himself then? Historically he will begin to erode and fade in terms of his effort'. Because at top level during his entire career 'Daniel Dubois has been a front runner. This is no disrespect, it has just been a trait which he has as a fighter'. Fabio Wardley has beaten better boxers than Daniel Dubois 'but he has never faced the pure raw power, or aggression of Dubois. Justis Huni and Joseph Parker skill for skill are better boxers'. But even during those fights, what is important to acknowledge 'is that yes. Fabio Wardley did win, but he was not able to win rounds easily. He was beaten beat by both fighters, then his power turned the fight around'. And it is this aspect of his game, which makes this fight 'a really close fight. Because Wardley has shown that he has the resolve and endurance to stick in a fight when the going gets tough. But not being able to win rounds vs. top level fighters can sometimes be very dangerous'. Especially when the top level fighter you are competing against 'has power which can inflict serious damage upon you. Like Anthony Joshua or Daniel Dubois'. To conclude: So overall, I do make Fabio Wardley the favourite to win the fight 'he has all the momentum coming into the fight. And in his mind? He has beaten better boxer's skill for skill than Daniel Dubois'. The main challenge for Fabio Wardley during the fight 'will be surviving the first half of the fight, and then having the ability to go through the gears systematically. With the aim of breaking down Daniel Dubois. This will take discipline and a fundamentally sound game' etc.

PRINCEKOOL 'Derek Chisora was at his absolute peak during those years, and he was beaten easily by David Haye, again while being outweighed by 37 pounds'. u are talking about 2012 chisora had lost 3 or his last 4 fights before fighting david haye :p he lost 4 out of 5 fights around that time and only beat a guy with 43 loses and he beat him on points david haye totally failed in his big fight v wlad kilt, it was a horrible performance he beat ok decent guys at cruiser and was good in his prime he came nowhere near making the top in the heavy division, this is a fact Derek Chisora has lost 13 fights, I don't think saying? That he has lost three fights in a row proves anything 'Derek Chisora was facing better opponents back then such as Vitali Kiltschko and pushing them over 12 rounds'. Note: Chisora was at his absolute peak, he had never been decked 'or knockout before fighting David Haye'. David Haye lost his fight vs. Wladimir Kiltschko 'again at his absolute peak. It is most likely Kiltschko's signature win during his entire heavyweight reign'. It was a underwhelming fight, were Haye was not really beaten up 'he was just out pointed in most of the rounds. I personally think it was an achievement for him at that stage of his career to endure and last the distance vs. Wladimir Kiltschko. In reality it was not a bad loss'. Again, David Benavidez may be a fighter who is 'hot right now, and this does distort certain folks perceptions of a fighter historically'. To conclude: If you want to get carried away with his career, and abilities go ahead 'I have stated what I personally think about him as a fighter'. And yes I do believe David Benavidez is in the latter part of his career 'if he was not? He would not all of the sudden be moving up through the weight classes. I wonder why all of sudden, he is not weight draining himself to be a big man on fight night?'. I will tell you why? Because that lifestyle and those training methodologies have a negative accumulative effect on a fighters condition and longevity 'combine that with his already sub-optimal work ethic. There is a definitive potential that he is not going to maintain his form and performance levels as good as Canelo Alvarez, Floyd Mayweather Junior and Manny Pacquaio'. So this is his absolute peak, and he still has not won 'a mega fight. I see a world level fighter, with a easy to understand style. I don't see a monster fighter' etc. SUBZER0ED

:lol1: What?? Among Canelo's many excuses for not facing Benavidez, one of them is that he feels David is too big for him. Canelo is too small to fight at cruiser weight and too scared to fight Benavidez at ANY weight. Canelo Alvarez is a greater fighter than David Benavidez and has a better resume. The reality is? David Benavidez is most likely in the latter part of his career. So this notion or narrative that he is the future of boxing, is nonsense in my opinion. He has already shown potential signs that he does not have the work ethic to have the longevity of Canelo Alvarez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather Junior, Manny Pacquiao'. 'And whether people like to acknowledge it or not. Canelo Alvarez is a miles greater fighter'. This must be some domestic Mexican thing, where people pick between David Benavidez and Canelo Alvarez 'for various reasons'. he was old and shot what are you even talking about? he lost almost every round to ibragimov right before figthing valuev. not to mention he dropped fights to byrd, toney, and donald 4-5 years earlier which proves he was no longer anywhere near top level. he beat a couple of bums before ibragimov...oh hes capable. no hes not. valuev was not capable of dealing with an old man who moved around and boxed because valuev was so big and slow yet you are using his size as a positive when its clearly a negative. physiologically valuev was the slowest man on earth. you could time him with a calendar. the fact that an old holyfield boxed circles around him shows just how bad he was. haye doing the same thing old holyfield did, does not make it a great win. a guy weighing so much he can barely move around the ring is not impressive, its a detriment. maybe valuev was better in his prime but by that time he could barely move, just like nba players who are 7 feet tall, they break down and become statues. he was a statue and he was no great fighter in his prime anyway. you keep talking about weight as if it can only be a positive thing. being out of shape like chisora has been his entire career is a negative thing. it affects speed, stamina, etc...if chisora was in good shape like haye he would almost certainly weigh less than haye. Note: Daggum David Benavidez is not all time great cruiserweight fighter, and it appears like he is also reluctant to challenge himself at Heavyweight 'so stop talking about him in the same arena as David Haye'. David Haye beat Nikola Valuev while being outweighed by 7 stone 'and he knocked out a absolute peak version of Derek Chisora. While heavyweight fighters from this era, have been struggling vs. a miles outside of his peak Derek Chisora'. Tyson Fury has fought Derek Chisora three times 'the first fight could have went ether way. The second fight Fury fought Chisora on the back foot. And once again in the third fight, he was reluctant to fight Chisora head on'. Derek Chisora is stylistically one of the most easiest fights for Tyson Fury to win 'but in my opinion, he still was unable to score the most impressive win over Chisora'. David Haye has the most impressive win over Derek Chisora 'he is the only heavyweight to fight Chisora head on and completely cancel out his momentum. Haye was the first heavyweight to deck and knockout Chisora, it would be another 6 years vs. Dillian Whyte II, that a similar feat was achieved'. To conclude: But back onto the topic of David Benavidez 'If you like him as a fighter, then good for you 'but I believe that skill for skill, he is completely overrated'. He has never been a undisputed Champion, and he has lost his World titles due to not being able to make the weight limit 'multiples times, which is a consequence using weight draining tactics for too long in his career'. daggum

how is it a great feat? a 46 year old man literally did the very same thing right before haye did it. holyfield weighed 215 pounds vs valuev and easily won the fight. haye won 217 pounds and easily won the fight. if its such a great feat how did a completely shot old man do the same thing? valuev suc-ked, or at least that version of valuev if you want to be nice to him. are there any 7 foot tall bums holding belts he can beat right now? dont think so but you would probably say heavy was stronger back then lol no he wouldnt what are you talking about? Evander Holyfield is an all time great Heavyweight fighter 'and he was a capable fighter, ever at that stage of his career'. Why is weight draining yourself, to be the big man on fight night 'and avoid fighting at your natural fighting weight impressive? That is what David Benavidez has done for 99.99% of his career. It was also what Terrence Crawford has done'. Note: From a share physiological perspective, beating another professional boxer who outweighs you by 7 stone 'is an impressive feat. Nikola Valuev whether people like to acknowledge it or not was a World level Heavyweight fighter during his career'. Overall Wladimir Kiltschko's heavyweight era vs. today's era was very close in terms of ability 'Derek Chisora was at his absolute peak during those years, and he was beaten easily by David Haye, again while being outweighed by 37 pounds'. David Haye was the first heavyweight fighter, to fight Chisora head on and cancel out his momentum 'knocking him out inside the 5 rounds'. Many years later during this heavyweight era. One of the premier Heavyweight Champions close to peak fought a version of Derek Chisora who was miles outside of his peak 'Fury fought Chisora three times, in their third fight it is commonly accept that Chisora was miles outside of his peak'. Tyson Fury was still unable to legitimate knock out Derek Chisora, and refused to fight him head on 'that just shows you how great a fighter David Haye was at his peak'. To conclude: David Benavidez is a World Level Fighter, and he is now fighting at his more natural fighting weight 'at Cruiserweight. But if he is really a monster fighter, in my opinion he should contend at Heavyweight. David Haye, Oleksandr Uysk, Evander Holyfield all of those past great Cruiserweight fighters did it'. Otherwise the hype he is receiving and all of his performance are definitively being overrated 'because American needs a new boxing star, in the higher weight divisions' etc.

PRINCEKOOL haye did ok but his opponents at cruiser are no great shakes at all, mormeck enzo mac etc, cruiser was very weak at that time so it could be argued u are over rating him as for valuev i mean he almost got beat by ancient holyfield his fight before haye and im reading many thought he should have got the nod, so u are probably over rating valuev as well in regards to haye Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten every single fighter, he had fought for 10 years 'before David Haye beat him away at home in France. Mormeck had only lost one fight to O'neil Bell for a entire decade, but? In his prior fight to fighting David Haye he avenged that loss'. Note: Jean Marc Mormeck is a better win than David Benavidez beating Zurdo Ramirez 'and? Whether people like to acknowledge it or not, winning an Heavyweight title vs. Nikola Valuev while being outweighed by 7 stones is a great boxing feat achieved by David Haye'. The Cruiserweight Divisions was stronger back during David Haye's era 'than it is today, don't lie to yourself. If David Benavidez is so great, if he really is a monster fighter 'he should move up into the Heavyweight Divisions. What is his excuse not to? He most likely walks around way over 200 pounds +'. To conclude: I think a lot of people are overrating David Benavidez, and it is all just marketing 'boxing is not a data driven sport. It is at times a sport of opinion, until? The fighters then at some point in their careers inside the ring face reality, or can no longer invade world to elite level challenges'. David Benavidez win over Zurdo Ramirez was a solid win 'but even from a skill for skill perspective, it appears to me like Benavidez and Ramirez just stood in front of each other and threw punches. It was not a highly skilled fight in my opinion'. David Benavidez is being pushed as the next American boxing star 'so everything is being over exaggerated in his career. Like I just said? This is fine until his career hits reality'. I don't rate Benavidez as high as Canelo Alvarez 'and? I would still like to see that fight. I think Alvarez would be game for the fight at Cruiserweight, even at this stage of his career'. I think one of the main factors why Canelo Alvarez lost to Terrence Crawford 'was due to him being dead at the weight of 168 pounds. There is a possibility that a move up into the higher weight divisions of 175 to 200 pounds, could give him a boast in this latter stage of his boxing career' etc. MarbleFallsMauler

one of the reasons people like haye and other dont do what u said they 'could' have done in fighting in lower weights before moving to their 'natural' weight class, is that they cant do that only a special few can do these sorts of things and be successful at all the weights, haye didnt even try as he knew he couldnt do it David Haye is only the third fighter, sentient being in mankind's history to move up from the Cruiserweight Divisions and become a Heavyweight World Champion 'I think winning the World Heavyweight title vs. Nikola Valuev while being outweighed by 7 stones is more impressive than any feat David Benavidez has achieved in his boxing career'. Note: David Haye was the Lineal Ring Magazine, WBA, WBC, WBO Cruiserweight Champion, and WBA World Heavyweight Champion. When modern day fighters like David Benavidez weight drain themselves, and avoid fighting at their more natural fighting weight 'I don't think this is impressive. He has only just now eventually decided to fight at his real natural weight'. David Haye never tried should tactics because, he is not a backwards fighter like Benavidez 'I don't think applying such deceptive tactics, was ever his apart of his game'. To conclude: David Benavidez lost his world titles, because he could no longer make the weight limits in those divisions 'his career has not been impressive, and he is overrated in my opinion'. The facts are? He is not in my opinion skill for skill a elite level fighter, but he is a World Level fighter 'and if he truly does rate himself as pound for pound fighter. Then he would move up to the Heavyweight Divisions, like David Haye, Oleksandr Uysk and Evander Holyfield all did during their careers'. That is the only weight division's move, that in my opinion should garner David Benavidez should mass universal credit 'not weight draining himself, to be the big man in fight night and avoiding at his more natural fighting weight'. Like I stated in my first post in this thread, he is being hyped because he is a American fighter 'and maybe the American boxing market needs a new boxing star'. That is fine, because it is just business'. But I am not duped by what I have observed this far in his career like certain folk in the boxing community etc.

He is benefiting from eventually deciding to fight at his more natural fighting weight 'It would be a very unwise move for him to ever move back down to 175 pounds and below. Even for mega fights vs. Dmitry Bivol, Artur Beterbiev and Canelo Alvarez'. Note: The only fighter out of those three fights, who I think in my opinion would be game to fight at cruiserweight is 'Canelo Alvarez, even still now at this stage of his career' I agree? I don't think David Benavidez is the best pound for pound fighter in the world 'I would not even rate him as a top - 3 pound for pound fighter. But I will acknowledge that he is for sure an World level fighter'. But I will say this? Since when has the Cruiserweight Divisions gained fighters so much credit? Because by my estimations both David Haye and Oleksandr Uysk were miles better cruiserweight fighters than David Benavidez. Maybe it is because he is an American fighter'. I am sure David Haye could have started out his career weight draining himself, fighting in the lower weight divisions before 'fighting at cruiserweight and heavyweight. Maybe then people would have rated him as one of the best pound for pound fighters in the World'. That is essentially what David Benavidez has done; he has only just now recently decided to fight at his more natural fighting weight 'he should have made this move many years ago'. And although beating Zurdo Ramirez is a really solid win 'he has not cleared out the divisions. Ramirez was not the premier Champion, Jai Opetaia is highly regarded as the premier Cruiserweight Champion'. To conclude: The fight vs. Jai Opetaia will be his first true elite level fight 'if David Benavidez can win that fight, then he will be considered a great pound for pound fighter but still not number 1' etc.

AJ is not an elite-level boxer, but a very good one with great promotion and matchmaking. He is also weak in psychology - when Ruiz tore his back hole, AJ took a walk to his corner like a prince. Rare to see such behaviour, little at all from an "elite" fighter. He also has a weak chin, not a glass one, but weak. So, regardless of Fury being knocked down multiple times, he was never knocked out and that is what counts. He also gave Usyk way better fights and outclassed Klitschko, while AJ went life and death with an older version of him. But there is something you are very wrong about your post - compare how each of them handled common opponents - this isn't something you do in sports to be conclusive: AJ beat Parker, but lost to Ruiz, who lost to Parker - boxing doesn't work like Maths. Fury also has better endurance than "I am a new breed of heavyweight, I am not a 12-round fighter." And to be honest, AJ does not have a greater resume than Fury. The thing is, which one of them got old and lost the fire, which might impact the outcome of the fight, whatever that outcome is. Not that it will not be a fair fight, but the question remains - what if they fought in their prime... daggum, it is always others who reject contracts to AJ, or it is always others' contracts that "are not in the right format". Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic Champion, Tyson Fury lost to David Price in the amateur ranks 'those are both their biggest and most known feats as amateur fighters'. Tyson Fury has never avenged a loss, Anthony Joshua has immediately avenged a loss to Andy Ruiz Junior 'this proves that Joshua in my opinion has stronger and more durable fighting attitude than Tyson Fury. Who has lost his last three fights vs. Francis Ngannou, and Oleksandr Uysk twice back to back. Then he retired crying out of his backside'. Anthony Joshua may have been decked by Wladimir Kiltschko 'but this was in my opinion because, he fought a extremely offensive fight against? A Heavyweight fighter who statistically is a bigger and more proven power puncher than Deontay Wilder. Wladimir Kiltschko has knocked out more top level fighters than Deontay Wilder'. Note: Regardless? Anthony Joshua's win over Wladimir Kiltschko is more conclusive than Tyson Fury's 'Joshua knocked out Kiltschko and forced him into retirement'. Whereas in comparison, Tyson Fury achieved one points victory over Wladimir Kiltschko 'and disappeared for the rematch unfortunately due to his then circumstance. The only reason why Anthony Joshua fought Wladimir Kiltschko, was because he was stepping up to fight the version of Kiltschko who Tyson Fury should have fought in their scheduled rematch'. It was Anthony Joshua who brought to a conclusion Tyson Fury's battles twice during his career 'once against Wladimir Kiltschko, and for the second time against Francis Ngannou. Fury should have rematched both of those fighters, but he did not'. Tyson Fury won one underwhelming fight vs. Wladimir Kiltschko, and then he was beaten by Francis Ngannou over 10 rounds 'which warranted a rematch. Francis Ngannou was regarded as the biggest existential crisis in Heavyweight boxing of the 21st century; he was an issue that needed stopping. Anthony Joshua was the man and Heavyweight fighter who once again stood up and conclusively forced Francis Ngannou out of boxing at top level'. Come on! Tyson Fury does not have better endurance. Anthony Joshua is a miles superior athlete to Tyson Fury. Seriously? Fury struggles to run, jump and move 'To the level of Anthony Joshua. It is a myth that he is this genetic marvel and great athlete'. Statistics which prove Anthony Joshua has superior or very comparable levels endurances to Tyson Fury. If you compare the 24 rounds both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua fought vs. Oleksandr Uysk 'it was Fury who tanked and fatigued more badly than Joshua twice in his fights. Statistically Olekandr Uysk was producing higher work rate in his fights vs. Anthony Joshua, and likewise? Anthony Joshua was also producing a higher work rate than Tyson Fury. So this notion that Fury has monster endurance is completely nonsense'. Anthony Joshua over his two fights with Uysk, his work rate superior to Tyson Fury's 'Joshua threw at total of 641 punches in the first fight, and then 492 punches in the rematch. Joshua's second fight vs. Uysk, showed that tactically? He was attempting to manage his pace more efficiently, which he did. But Uysk in response to this threw 712 punches. Out of all 4 Heavyweight titles fights vs. both Fury and Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk produced his highest work rate vs Anthony Joshua II'. So in order for Anthony Joshua to compete with Oleksandr Uysk 'he had to produce a higher level of endurance than Tyson Fury in his fights vs. Oleksandr Uysk'. Anthony Joshua vs Oleksandr Uysk II 'I personally regard that specific fight, as the absolute peak version of Uysk. Uysk vs Joshua II was throwing on average 300 more punches than he did vs Tyson Fury I & II. To conclude: N/A, you are apprehensive 'look at you? You are already making excuses. But, but what if they fought during their primes blah blah 'Tyson Fury is getting smashed up, knocked out, lasered out for the first time in his career when and if he ever steps inside the ring vs. Anthony Joshua. And that is what you and everyone else needs to understand'. I will compare whatever statistics I want in this fight 'Anthony Joshua has performed better vs. all the common opponents he has shared with Tyson Fury. And like I have just stated, when they compete against other, he will also perform better and in my opinion be the victor in that fight' etc.

It's called a comments section, not a fanboy/hater article section. Grow up, I stopped at Furys panicking? Ajs the one who's sent back contracts & avoided Wilder & Fury & any puncher until Dubois, while Fury had a trilogy with Wilder. I like neither, they've both let us down in they're ways. Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder both fought each other 'because they believed stylistically, it was the easy fight for them instead of fighting Anthony Joshua'. In the aftermath of Fury vs. Uysk II 'I told many people around here, that Tyson Fury would now tactically retire to avoid fighting Anthony Joshua, and that is precisely what happened. Until Joshua was plunge into a vulnerable situation'. Note: Tyson Fury outweighed Deontay Wilder on average by 40 + pounds, Fury has very rarely if ever fought 'a fighter like Anthony Joshua, a super heavyweight fighter with proven elite level power and boxing skills'. The last time he fought a heavyweight like that, he was backed up all night 'and disappeared for the rematch unfortunately due to his then circumstance. That fighter was Wladimir Kiltschko'. Tyson Fury in my opinion is definitively panicking, long gone are the days when he could give 24 hour ultimatums 'he has been forced into this fight. By public pressure and the fact that according to his gypsy culture he is a fighting man'. Go and check Tyson Fury's resume, every single super heavyweight he has fought 'he really has not performed that great. He won a underwhelming fight vs. Wladimir Kiltschko, and was lacklustre vs. a miles outside of his peak Dillian Whyte before he scored a fluke knockout which prevented him from most likely another underwhelming points victory'. Tyson Fury is not walking forward vs. Anthony Joshua 'and he is not knocking him out. Because historically if he does not considerably outweigh his opponent, then he does not apply those sort of tactics very well'. This is why I have always rated the fight as stylistically difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'it is a more difficult fight for Fury stylistically than Oleksandr Uysk and Deontay Wilder'. Oleksandr Uysk was a elite level boxer, but he does not have elite level power 'Deontay Wilder has elite level power, but he is not a elite level boxer. Oh yeh? And Tyson Fury also out weighed Oleksandr Uysk by 50 + pounds'. Those statistics don't exist in this match up for Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua 'he is not stronger than Joshua, he does not have more power than Joshua, he is not a miles better boxer than Joshua. The 48 rounds they both shared with Uysk have highlighted this. Anthony Joshua overall performed better vs. a superior version of Oleksandr Uysk'. To conclude: Anthony Joshua when he is at his peak or in solid form 'across his entire game, he has elite level boxing skills and elite level power. Tyson Fury and all of his team know this. That is why Joshua was able to laser out Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'. Even Tyson Fury at his absolute peak, would really struggle to beat Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds 'he is not that type of fighter, and does not have that destructive game'. If Anthony Joshua who won the 2012 Olympic title in the amateur ranks, while Tyson Fury lost to David Price 'that is his best known feat achieved in the amateur game'. When both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua step inside the ring together to compete 'Anthony Joshua in my opinion is not losing this fight' etc.

Seems like Tyson Fury is panicking already 'Why so serious? Why does Tyson Fury need another interim fight, in his own words for a chump heavyweight fighter like Anthony Joshua?'. I will tell you why? Because Anthony Joshua is stylistically the worst potential fight for Tyson Fury 'out of all fighters during this heavyweight era'. I honestly, believe that for Tyson Fury specifically 'trying to beat Anthony Joshua, will pose to be more difficult than beating Oleksandr Uysk'. Note: Anthony Joshua has been the only heavyweight fighter 'from this heavyweight era, to have proven elite level boxing skills, and elite level power combined with durability'. If you analyse this heavyweight era, none of the top level fighters 'have in combination had all of those attributes. Only Anthony Joshua, that is why at any given time? Joshua has always had the ability to smash up all of his competition'. Oleksandr Uysk has elite level boxing skills, and is a great athlete 'but he is not a elite level power puncher'. Daniel Dubois has elite level power, but his technical boxing skills and his endurance are nowhere near elite. Deontay Wilder had elite level power, but his technical boxing skills are not elite'. But when you analyse Anthony Joshua, attribute vs. attribute 'you can see that he has at his peak, elite level power, elite level boxing skills and contrary to certain negative narratives in regards to his durability. Anthony Joshua has fought and beaten the most power punches of this heavyweight era'. Tyson Fury has only fought Wladimir KIltschko and Deontay Wilder 'and he fought Kiltschko on the back foot during a underwhelming fight'. Tyson Fury has been knocked down 7 times 'he was being decked at domestic, European and World level. Anthony Joshua has only been decked by other elite level fighters, and has always fought to try and get back to his feet'. Even against Daniel Dubois 'after nearly turning the fight around in the 5th round, unfortunately he was then countered and knocked out. But he was still seen to be scrambling and fighting to get back to his feet'. This notion that Tyson Fury has this superior level of durability compared to Anthony Joshua ' is nonsense, made up by the media machine which backs him. Check the 9th round during his first fight vs. Oleksandr Uysk'. The facts are, both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are 'when you analyse them attribute vs. attributes they are very close in terms of levels'. There is not one area of Tyson Fury's game, where he is miles better than Anthony Joshua 'who is also a super heavyweight. Who is most likely in terms of brute strength stronger than Fury'. That is why stylistically Anthony Joshua has always been an extremely difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua is a powerful, fundamentally technically sound super heavyweight fighter'. To conclude: Every single common opponent that Anthony Joshua has shared with Tyson Fury 'Joshua has beaten that fighter in more impressive conclusive fashion'. Tyson Fury was backed up all night by Wladimir Kiltschko, but he did riddle he was to winning more rounds. It was underwhelming fight, but a great win in terms of historical significance. Anthony Joshua in comparison knocked out Wladimir Kiltschko and forced him into retirement in the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Tyson Fury was pushed right to the line, and busted up real good by Otto Wallin 'Anthony Joshua beat up Ottin Wallin, and forced a stoppage inside 5 rounds'. Tyson Fury was decked and beaten by Francis Ngannou over 10 rounds 'Anthony Joshua obliterated Francis Ngannou inside 2 rounds'. If and when both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua step inside the boxing ring vs. each other. For me personally from a pure objective perspective, Joshua has the ability to make this fight nowhere near a 50/50 fight'. That is how difficult of a stylistic match this is for Tyson Fury 'Anthony Joshua has the ability to laser out Tyson Fury for the first time in his career' etc.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs. Anthony Joshua 'is still the greatest heavyweight title fight of this era'. Note: Many of Anthony Joshua critics, like to discredit Joshua for this win 'but in my opinion, it is an more impressive win than Tyson Fury's win over Wladimir Kiltschko'. Anthony Joshua fought the version of Wladimir Kiltschko who Tyson Fury should have fought in their scheduled rematch 'but unfortunately he did not due to his then circumstance'. Wladimir Kiltschko in the aftermath of his loss to Tyson Fury 'never retired, like certain people in the boxing community like to claim. Wladimir Kiltschko initiated his rematch clause vs. Tyson Fury'. And proceeded to prepare for that fight, with a determination and ambition 'that I had personally never seen before from Kiltschko. Wladimir Kiltschko was a champion for almost 10 years, before he lost to Tyson Fury. And it was a injustice that he was never granted the opportunity to win his titles back from Fury, but? He was being given the opportunity to face Anthony Joshua the 2012 Olympic Champion, and? At the time of this fight with Wladimir Kiltschko, none of the narratives which surround Anthony Joshua today as a fighter existed. Anthony Joshua was appearing to be a component elite level boxer, with a extreme high level of brute strength and power 'there did not appear to be any vulnerabilities in his game. Nevertheless this was his 19th professional fight, and he was fighting the last true all-time great heavyweight Champion at home in front of 90'000+ thousand spectators and millions of observers around the World'. Wladimir Kiltschko by his own estimations was in his best condition ever vs. Anthony Joshua 'he weighed in at 240 pounds, vs. 245 pounds he weighed against Tyson Fury. By the time the fight took place, Wladimir Kiltschko had endured three back to back training camps, over a period of 17 months due to Tyson Fury continually pulling out of their rematch'. Note: Let's make no doubt about it 'Anthony Joshua in his 19th professional fight, was stepping up to fight a battle which Tyson Fury started. This is a fact which people in the boxing community do not like to acknowledge, but it is a fact of boxing history'. To conclude: On April 29th 2017, the Heavyweight Division was taken into a completely new dynasty 'after Anthony Joshua conclusively beat Wladimir Kiltschko, knocking him out and forcing him to retire'. That is why I rated Anthony Joshua's win as a greater win than Tyson Fury's over Wladimir Kiltschko 'Fury won one fight vs. Kiltschko on points and then disappeared. The occupation of the Heavyweight Division by the Kiltschko's was damaged and breached by Tyson Fury, but it was dismantled by Anthony Joshua'. Wladimir Kiltchko vs. Anthony Joshua 'is the greatest heavyweight title fight of the past 25 years. Kiltstcko even during a loss gained masses of credit for his efforts, and he could retire knowing that the Unified Heavyweight titles were now being aloft by a worthy Champion in Anthony Joshua' etc. bob