I see Floyd is still jealous of Hoya. When will this 8th grade drop out ever learn? You’re known because of Hoya; Hoya made you, now pay respect to your father.
i think its the other way around.
how tf can delahoya boycott floyd-connor saying it wont b competitive,
yet delahoya is shot and wants to fight connor
wtf
Oscar was ripping on Floyd for taking the fight, now he wants his 'red panty' / 'fishnet stockings' night. Still so bitter living in the shadow of Mayweather
facts, he hates floyd so much lol
since delahoya lost 5 major fights, he prided himself on being the ppv king atleast.
thanks to floyd, thats over with.
sure delahoya put floyd over, but floyd surpassed him way over
After seeing rig quit out of pure frustration? And take it all out on Stephan smith.
dude, id have a meltdown too debating with an idiot like stephen a smith, whos twisting up my words n shyt lol
i love teddy wen he explodes on stephens amatuer boxing-analyst self
Oscar isn't the one who bought a failed titty bar just so he could do cocaine in it all night and only open the doors to the public about 10 hours a week. :rofl:
Floyd is a coke vacuum. Worst kept secret in Las Vegas.
is this real?
Better and more skilled than I don't know just a few Duran, Hearns, Hagler, Pacquaio, Chavez, Marquez, Lomachenko?
i love slick, fast fighters bro. im sorry u dont like him on my list lol, cant help it. he was one of my favs back then.
outside of pacquiao wtf he ever did? his best wins are a shot barrera, green salido, rocky juarez, mike alvarado and juan diaz. wtf he whent life and dead with katsidis, diaz and Alvarado. He just had a good style for pac but outside of that he did nothing
he knocked pacquiao tf out. period
even though i rank cotto higher, marquez done what cotto couldnt do against pac, even though it took him 4 tries
I know a lot of posters would prob disagree but Floyd vs Sweet Pea would be one of the most interesting fights I can think of.I think they would need three to fig it out.
right. you seen zab judah (slick fast southpaw) gave floyd his most fits, as far as chess boxing goes, for the first 5-6 rds of their fight.
thing with whitaker is, he's not gonna break after 6 rds, so i think he woulda gave floyd a hell of a chance to lose.
but the story is, floyd sparred with pernell wen he was about 18-19 and gave em good work
Broners a clown, dudes just doing anything for attention at this point now that his career is over.
wen mikey garcia beat him, i knew he was done. he literally couldnt do ANYTHING against mikey.
Yea I heard something about that.But when a young stud spars with a legend(who was prob slighty less then best)He tends to go a little harder then the vet who is not trying to impress anyone.I remember a interviev with Holy and he said the person HE SEEN that ever even gave Pete good work was Vernon Forrest.And he was also young at time.But he had style(poor man Hit man)that gives boxers he ll.Not sure who would win Floyd and Pea really think they would need 3
oh, vernon forrest is another guy who had a difficult style. i cant believe mayorga walked thru him.
yeah your exactly right tho, the young bucks out to prove something, while the vets just doing work
Love your list (I would still have ssr at 1)But LOVE to see Floyd and Sweet Pea in top 3 or even 5
1. floyd, bcuz he has literally mastered boxing, as far the sweet science goes (hit and dont be hit)
2. jones jr, freak talents, much like ali, when his name was cassius clay, didnt need the fundamental defense to avoid punches bcuz he was so quick, and to have that kinda power as well was superNatural.
3. whitaker, defensive genius, maybe the most elusive fighter i ever seen. its close though
He mainly fought on the back foot vs Pac though, he came forward in a few rounds but would have to do it in every round vs Hearns. Pac and Corrales are both under 6ft, Hearns was 6"1 with a 78" wingspan, he's a completely different animal IMO. Floyd was always in range to hit Corrales during their fight, I don't know how he'd be able to maintain that sort of distance against Hearns without having to take clean shots.
It's all subjective anyway bro, we'll never truly know how it'd play out
yeah true. fact is though, floyd was a tuff welterweight. so we know he couldve fought any era.
great debate
If he walked Hearns down though, I don't know how he wins rounds, he'd wouldn't be able to outbox Hearns on the front foot, he'd have to eat jab after jab and if you walk on to a straight right it could be over. Floyd was never really able to walk a guy down at 147, mainly because he never needed to. Against Hearns he would have to try and walk him down and take risks, something he never really had to do because of his defensive mastery.
It's a shame we never got Mayweather vs Paul Williams this would give us a much better gauge for how Floyd would deal with a guy with much greater physical tools
the reach of hearns would require floyd to fight inside. floyd would def have to make it a dog fight. bcuz yeah a taller fighter's jab is easy to be hit by. so he'd have to get inside and utilize his shoulder roll more than ever.
its a very interesting fight.
vs corrales, floyd sat in the pocket and evaded all his shots and was close enuff to land counter shots, not saying hearns is corrales, but thats an example of floyd getting inside a longer fighters reach.
and floyd actually walked a cpl guys down at 47 in some rounds, including pacquiao.
Really goes to show how style comes into so much I mean mosly beat mayorga.
dude mayorga must of been on sum good coke lol, that foo had NO respect for forrests power. and forrest is the only guy who had put an iron chinned shane mosley on queeeer street.
and mayorgas been ko'd so many times lol.
he got away with one (i mean two) against forrest lol
Yea good point.Hope young G Davis don't follow in his shoe's(seems to be leaning that way)And instead see how Floyd do it.Young kid got bthe talent but not the body shape to be moving up past 135 and with some disapline 130.
gervonta davis kinda scared me a bit dropping his title on the weight scale his last fight. thats not being disciplined.
Broner right now don't deserve to be in class with Judah.
facts. as far as legacy, **** no.
but as a guy who isnt putting in 100%, he is gonna b like zab in that regard
Yup and that's why I rate Floyd and Sweet Pea better.Plus they also showed they could win more ways.
yeah , and for Floyd, he can adapt to any style. thats y he never fought every fight the same way.
I seen them all and since class of 80(Chavez,nelson,curry)I think Floyd and Sweet Pea are the closest to being unbeatable in their primes.Defence is the diff they are complete masters.Roy most athletic guy ive seen since class of 80(about time I starting watching boxing) Never seen a guy that fast also hit that hard.But I think Floyd and Pea better all around fighters.Jones got by on gifts never really seen him switch up style mid fight like other two.My 2 cents
i agree with this 100%
roy and clay (ali) both were so quick and athletic they didnt need the fundamentals.
but as roy got older and more deteriorated, he needed the fundamentals, as we see. he's gotten ko'd too many times, bcuz he doesnt know how to block or parry properly. guys are splitting his guard and killing him
Floyd-SRL would arguably be a 50-50 fight IMO, I'd favour Ray though tbh. Ray could 100% box with Floyd, the reason Hearns was outboxung him was because of his freakish physical advantage's Floyd doesn't have them. There is a case that Floyd's timing could be a factor and he could beat Leonard to the punch similiarily to how Duran did in the first fight, but SRL was a very flat footed in the first fight. If SRL was to utilise his footwork and movement, Floyd is not a
proficient enough front foot fighter to be able to walk Leonard down IMO.
If Floyd was to fight Hearns, I don't believe he has the physical tools to win, Hearns ain't a guy you can just walk down because of the freakish power he carried, Floyds chin is legit but against a guy as powerful as Hearns it kinda doesn't matter, Duran's chin was legit but as a smaller guy fighting Hearns he got brutally iced inside 2. I also don't believe Floyd would have the power to stop Hearns either if he gassed,, pretty boy Floyd was a beast down at 130 but the power never really translated up to 147.
your right about floyds timing, his adaptability was crazy.
now with leonard being flatfooted, floyd woulda easily outboxed him. but if leonard chose to move around, i can see floyd staying poised and being patient, even if it meant having a boring fight. so i dont think he'd walk down a ray leonard who is peddaling on his bike.
theres no telling with a master like floyd. i call him a chamelion.
your 100% right about the Hearns freakish physical advantage against ray leonard. if hearns wouldnt of gassed, that fight may have ended up like Vernon forrest vs shane mosley.
i say floyd might walk hearns down bcuz u get inside a long-armed fighters reach and nuetralize the reach advantage. and a guy like Floyd is smart enuff to have figured that out in 3-4 rds.
broner already has waaaay more legal problems than Judah and hes not even 30 yet. Judah has been running around with criminals for the last 20 years but has almost no record.
right. Judahs b.s. wasnt on instagram too lmao, the only thing i seen of judah was were him and his crew beat the **** out them guys at that miami dice game lol. Judah one of the best though.
if that freak accident didnt happen with kostya tszyu, judah wouldve been much bigger. (i believe judah shouldve been allowed to continue that btw)
He was a beast at 130, I remember when he beat up Genaro Hernandez who was the #1 guy at 130 at the time, I wasn't really sold on Floyd until that win. I remember Arum after the fight telling the media "this is the next superstar like SRR, SRL etc. After that performance I realised Floyd was special.
Arum saying floyds a superstar, my how things changed wen floyd went to golden boy lmao
Nice list. Floyds an ATG fighter top 10 for sure, top 5 maybe but he ain't number 1. I'd have loved to see Floyd try and deal with say SRL fighting on the back foot, despite his performances at 130, I don't feel Floyd had enough offensively to be considered number 1 overall. Although I think Floyd is a better p4p fighter there's no way he beats say the 81 version of Thomas Hearns, who essentially outboxed SRL for the first 11-12 rounds. I'd have loved to see Floyd face someone with both the technical and physics tools to force him to fight on the front foot.
i dont know if leonard couldve boxed with floyd tbh, hearns outboxed ray leonard easily until ray turned up the pressure on him after he was gassing. the thing with floyd is, he doesnt gas and he doesnt lose focus enuff to be hit with a bomb. (exept for mosley, corley, which floyds chin prevailed against)
now with tommy hearns, idk. floyd easily destroyed taller fighters in his career. i think he wouldve won 12 rds vs hearns, bcuz due to hearns dangerous right straight hand, floyd wouldnt of been so aggressive all the way thru. but floyd has been known to walk guys down wen he gets them broken down and on the inside of em, which is the best way to beat hearns. (tire him out and stalk him)
Broner is still a draw. Just gotta stand a little more close together with his legs.
AB's problem is that he doesnt punch wen his defense is failing. he is so gun shy its cringy
It's a shame his hands betrayed him a bit by the time he reached 147. I even remember him at 140 absolutely lighting Gatti up.
oh my god, his campaign at 140 was great. 3 tko's in 2005. one of those might of been at 47. but yeah, hes always had hand problems. ppl dont realize how good of a puncher he was at 30-35, he beat his hands up really good bcuz he hit hard and landed ALOT
Broners a clown, dudes just doing anything for attention at this point now that his career is over.
i seen him on tmz knockin out this chicks boyfriend at some place lmao, AB out here. u can tell he from the hood lmao