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Vitali is the better bet....he used to properly go for guys and always loved the way he beat some manners into the repellant, gobby little Herbie Hide, made things personal against Sanders and had a right go at Lennox. VK is the better fighter for the fan because he has the shorter fuse and is more willing to swap shots and have a war. Vitali Klitschko by far is the more thrilling fighter... he comes to fight & throws punches in bunches from every angle in the book. He's the ONLY champion in history never to be outthrown.. outlanded.. outboxed or outslugged in any of his bouts.. never has even lost 3 rds on the scorecards in any of his 47 fights.. he is statistically the most dominant champion in boxing history taking into account every single aspect of boxing that contributes to victory.. even when he's lost he dominated the scorecards & all punching statistics. There is NO blueprint for ANY man that has stepped in a boxing ring to beat him while he's actually fighting & physically fit to complete a bout & most know this to be factual but won't admit it.. focusing on lame competition as the reason for this unprecedented dominance.. every champion in history has had his fare share of fighting pretenders & journeyman.. fact remains why can't the haters explain why Vitali is the ONLY fighter to ever have literally & completely dominated his entire opposition without even giving a trace of evidence that he can be outboxed or put on the canvas. To have every single aspect of winning a boxing match from your offensive fists all the way to your defensive jaw... this is why no one on here wants to give him his due credit because they can't legitimately explain away such utter boxing shutouts.... so therefor all the focus gets put onto how bad his opponents have been. when in reality he's the ONLY one to ever have done what he's done against his opposition.

Vitali was a great HW and there was never any clear blue print to beat him but its all about wins over quality opponents in boxing though thanks for the Vitali FACTS!!!! stats. Quality opposition is what you make of them.. to me in regards to Vitali Klitschko.. it's way overstated & it's to the point of disrespect. Vitali has NEVER allowed any opponent to make a name for thereself. The biggest testament to his dominance & thorough thrashing of everyone is the NO REMATCH CLAUSE everyone signed AFTER they fought him... just another record right there.. find any other heavyweight champion of prominence never to have fought the same fighter twice.

look it up james toney doesnt lie about that sort of thing. roach's brother confirms the story too. sorry dude your hero is not a great fighter. he never beat a great fighter and lost to all the great fighters he has fought. i would go with wlad but he is a really boring fighter unless he is facing low ranked opponents :o First off James Toney is barely audible... he'd say anything to get an undeserved crack at a Klitschko... he;d tell you that he beat God in sparring just to get his name in lights. He retired a great fighter & won 2/3 of there bout & landed 60% of all the punches that connected in the fight & outthrew & outlanded Lennox in all 6 rds & he beat the shet out of Wladimir numerous times at home.

I like this. Keep it up kid. How many records can one have for it to be taken seriously... TWO or three.. ok aberration but come on... these are 20.. at worst you could say he's the most dominant tomatoe can thrasher in the history of boxing.. to show you how full of shet the haters are.. they won't even fess up to that when his boxing performances CLEARLY illustrate that NO other boxing champion in history has ever dominated in such thorough fashion.

except people don't go around saying mccall is the most dominating biggest puncher in heavyweight history now do they...... Vitali has FAILED to ko ONLY 6 men & HE WAS robbed of one KO vs Briggs.. so anyone can find some common opposition where one has faired better against a certain opponent.. these opponents you mentioned fought Lewis twice & did better & worse than Vitali.. so that's a little misleading & both FAILED to retire Lewis like Vitali did.. so works both ways.. Lewis TKO'ED Briggs.. Vitali hospitalized him... if anything Vitali's performances reap long term benefits.. coincidentially Briggs & Lewis HAVE NEVER FOUGHT AGAIN once they went Vitali.. so all in how you look at it.

WOW!!!! I never knew that? Is that a Title or Championship of some kind in boxing? Is that like boxing your older sister 50 times and she only beat you twice? (once by KO) Are you considering the fact that theres no ATG on his "resume" or for that matter anyone that could be listed in the top fifty of heavyweights EVER? (including Vitali) hahaha.......when will you and Viltali consumate your vows? Are you planning a family?? It sounds as if you have everything planned out............does Vitali know about your love for him? I'm sure after being flattered he'd be embarassed and YOU would become "10 seconds of another round" Won!!! Son wipe the brown off your nose and find a hobby that teaches you something you could use in your life. Stop being a follower and try to step forward. 'Theres some sad **** written here' I'll never understand fandumb, living your life through another person is as sad as it gets!!!! :bottle: Try to ween yourself off! Ray. Just stating the FACTS about his career.... it's your opinion on what you make of them. I will say though that authoring such a reprisal shows what you stated about me in regards to you. Vitali Klitschko has faced the very best in Lennox Lewis & showed his class.. he does NOT need to prove anything else when it comes to facing other alltime greats that he didn't get afforded the luxury of fighting. All you can do in life is take care of business. No one has taken care of business in more emphatic & dominating fashion than he has.

No other ATG heavyweight champ in history has EVER managed to ONLY beat 5 current-at-the-time top 10 fighters. But Wilder is COMING for Vitali's record and will claim the title as the BEST ever champion in heavyweight history! You got jokes.. son! All you idiots act as if all the supposed top 10 comp Vitali never got in the ring would NOT have been utter & complete toast at the hands of DR. IRONFIST. Every fighter you think he hasn't faced would've gotten annihilated... esp. when these are the fighters you are actually trashing in his era... so pointing out he failed to actually fight fighters who are shet anyways enhances your points how? What we are essentially left with is how Vitali would've fared hypothetically against past alltime greats & all H2H rankings even by avid haters of him will adnit he would've held jis own against virtually anyone.... you wanna have it both ways fine... IT'S your own blind hate & moronic logic at play here. Just tell me how the Frazier's Liston's.. Louis's.. Foremans.. ali's & all past greats handle him.... & keep it real with boxing logic... logic dictates Vitali has size & physical dimensions all on his side & he does know how to fight.. box & is an expert at creating the perfect distance where he can let his hands go from virtually any angle. If you can factually & honestly tell me how other fighters beat him without the usual b s about smashing & cutting his face to ribbons or throwing out his shoulder. All THIS UTTER & COMPLETE nonsense & irrelevancy as to who he hasn't fought is all you got & you know what it's getting old..... I want you to tell how you plan on beating Klitschko with any fighter you think is capable of doing it... anything else & you're talking nonsense!

i thought you had to look at the fighters condition. does the situation really matter? also lewis had his best rounds in 5 and 6 so maybe the doc did look at the situation and thought well he's getting his ass kicked now and his eye is terrible. If he was getting his arce kicked it would've been stopped when those rds were taking place... one does NOT get one's arce kicked when one is throwing & landing more punches than his opposition in each & every single rd that was fought in the fight. Vitali was the physical specimen that night in great shape.. so his stamina & capabilities of continuing were MORE than Lewis.. who number one as everyone states came in the fattest shape ever & received 60 more blows to the head that night... so there is no evidence at all Lewis was more ready & willing to proceed past the 6th rd in better physical shape than Klitschko was.. so for him to have his hand raised that night because of a boxing technacility is one of the shadiest robberies ever & the fans at the arena let it be known as to what THEY THOUGHT OF LEWIS BEING DEEMED THE VICTOR THAT NIGHT WHEN HE WAS ANYTHING BUT & WASN'T PROVEN TO BE.

Oh for fuck sake, I'm a Klitschko fan but you're making us look bad here. The only one making you look bad is yourself... these haters are trashing his competition & I'm putting a realistic spin on some of the fighters who he's beaten & dominated.

But I wonder : has any of the Klitschko(s) ever officially won all the 12 rounds on all scorecards in one fight ?! has it ever happened in a heavyweight title fight ?! has it ever happened in any weight class title fight ?! Ask & you shall receive.... first off Vitali has been taken the distance ONLY 4 times in 47 bouts & one of them should've been stopped at least 5 times (Briggs Fight).... Let's see Briggs did NOT win a rd..... Kevin Johnson did NOT win a rd.... Hoffman.. one rd at most & Chisora 2.666666 rds... SO that makes it 3.6666 rds lost in 4 full 12 rd bouts.. that averages to less than 1 rd per bout.. which incidentially coincides with his ENTIRE career FOR every 12 rds interval that he's fought.

well vitali is the guy with the best ko percentage in heavyweight boxing history and he can't ko a guy that mccall and rahman ko'd? actually this lewis was much older and fatter than the lewis they ko'd and he still couldn't do it. hmmmm ok....... I'm pretty sure.. I can come up with at least two fighters for each of them that Vitali Ko'ed & they couldn't.. off the top of my head.. McCall COULDN'T ko Gomez.

Youre most dominant champion in any sport still got his face destroyed by an old, out of shape lewis How original.

I wouldn't put Vitali among the greatest HW champions, but he was certainly great in his own right, and I respect what he did. If you respected what he did you would certainly put him up there among the greatest.

That's because Deontay Wilder might as well just challenge random office workers in the street compared to his competition. That's pretty opinionated, you can't make up a record. I gave you an example of Deontay Wilder just to show that even him with his 100% KO ratio hasn't won 90 % of his rds in the judges eyes. As for opinionated... nope... I'm pretty certain & will take it to my grave that Vitali Klitschko is the ONLY champion in boxing history to have THROWN & LANDED more punches than his opposition in every single bout he's ever fought... this INCLUDES jabs... & powershots... for how difficult that is to do just multiply 47 times 6 = 282 times Vitali Klitschko.... 0 times his opponent.

Here is what I'm worried about. Wladimir is probably gonna have children with a inferior, diminutive specimen in Hayden Pantierre, which will genetically mess up the potential of a Super-Klitschko coming into existence who is 7 feet tall and has the same abilities as the Klitschko Brothers. As far as Vitali, I don't know. How tall is his wife? He is the only shot we've got at a Super-Klitschko. It's like when you cross-breed and a Lion and a Tiger, and get a much bigger Liger hybrid. The Klitschko brother genepool needs to be preserved if we're going to have another, even more dominant Heavyweight Champion of the World, who is taller, hits harder, and is even more dominant than both brothers combined. You're never going to see anything like this again.. two strongest boxers in the world at the same time. It astonishes me how taken for granted the Klitschko's are when we've never seen anything close to this before. We're talking the strongest in there profession. We won't see anything like this again.. it's just a one in a million genetic improbability.

:fing02: Green K. Vitali Klitschko owns almost 20 heavyweight boxing records that are all career related... all the skeptics will all have you believe that it's his lack of stellar competition that is at play here. How many things can you do that no other heavyweight champion has ever done for you to realize there is no coincidence here or aberration. Even if ANY other heavyweight champion fought 47 tomatoe cans.... he'd be hardpressed to match his feats.. but see this is EXACTLY what skeptics will have you believe... that if other alltime greats got fed his competition they'd have the exact same success. Most every other heavyweight champion NEVER came close to dealing with there weak competition in such a fashion but yet this is what we're led to believe that it's Vitali's supposed inferior comp that has made him look this good. Only real fans of boxing know that it's VITALI KLITSCHKO that is responsible for making his opposition look worse than anyone has ever had.

Believe it or not, boxers do not all age the same. Wild concept. No one stays at the top forever and even the best break down to a point and he decided to leave before he was embarassed like Roy Jones or Holyfield. And by the way Byrd losing to Wlad doesn't really count as Vitali winning...just a note there. He was embarrassed... that's why he retired.. yeah.. fighter's don't age the same but Vitali has never used that excuse.. he was dominating at close to 41 yrs old.. Lennox can use all the excuses he wants... Not being in shape.. aging.. Vitali doesn't roll in this manner. his excuses have always been of the medicinal variety.

VK was impressive but again at the end of the day boxing ratings are about wins over highly rated opponents regardless of how dominant those wins were when compared to lesser opposition I would argue that Huck's CW resume is better than Vitali's HW resume even though most of Huck's last half a dozen fights ended in controversial decisions. Opinions of opposition is just as erroneous as some of the shady ratings.. saying another fighter is better than another based on them is not very accurate. Vitali could've beat a top 50 fighter that was for all intents & purposes better than a top 10 one... unless those fighters & opposition being compared actually fought each other.. you can't say for certain one is better than the other.. especially when rankings & ratings in boxing is the most shadiest out of all the sports in rating it's performers.. it's most ly opinion.. so I find it funny how Klitschko's OPPosition gets SHETTED upon .. yet everyone who's shetting on them has no proof whatsoever... there idea of better opposition is ACTUALLY better.

does wbc equal lineal? no. get your facts straight. he had 3 lineal fights(the equivalent to being the real champ throughout boxing history) and he went 2-1. having just the wbc doesn't mean squat when their are 4 total belts. do you want to compare how many lineal fights a guy like louis, ali, holmes, tyson, etc...had compared to vitali? even michael spinks had 5 and went 4-1. he also beat an all time great. michael spinks just as a heavyweight is clearly much greater than vitali klitschko. First off.. Lewis had that belt ONLY when he retired.. so what you're telling everyone is once Vitali got a hold of it.. it lost immediate value.. belts were fragmented long before Vitali got hold of the Wbc belt... THEY WERE FRAGMENTED when Vitali officially retired Lewis & then Vitali won it by beating the hell out of Sanders.... & except for a couple of retirements has NEVER given it up since in the ring... this lineal crap is all about timing.. Vitali won 10 of 13 rds cumulatively vs Lewis & Sanders for it & deserved to own it.. All lineage now LEADS to a Klitschko so no worries... jokester!

Paper titles are meaningless...live with it. Let's delve further. He gave away one of his belts & Holyfield & Byrd fought for it if I'm not mistaken. Then it was Holyfield vs Ruiz & ofcourse last but not least Sanders vs Klitschko. Were Byrd.. Ruiz & Klitschko NOT the longest reigning title holders of the past decade & a half.. not named Wladimir or Lennox?... Did he NOT fight those 3 long reigning champions who were mandated to fight him right before he last had each belt... each time citing a different excuse? Afterall was he not the last undisputed & unified champion? This is the conduct you hold in high regard afterall...that's the last time we had a legitimate champion.. The brother's what do they do....? They retrieve all of the belts & the Wbo for good measure & are ridiculed for restoring order & facing all of there mandatories... real common sense there my friend....The Klitschko's NEED TO BE RESPECTED FOR LEGITIMIZING & RESTORING ALL THE HEAVYWEIGHT belts but are ridiculed for it... this is the type of moronic shet I'm going up against & you're the head of the class.

where i come from thats called cherrypicking. also peter never beat an all time great so i don't understand what you are even saying. tyson was completely shot so that doens't count and wlad was hitting the canvas in every other fight when sanders ko'd him for the only notable win of his career. he didn't even stop johnson.....do you even watch the fights? Kirk Johnson.. Not Kevin. Is James Toney NOT an alltime great.. I don't need to make stuff up... I ONLY report on stuff that actually happened. Peter is still the last fighter to have Klitschko down on the canvas &has come the closest to beating a Klitschko in the last 10 years & was utterly destroyed by Klitschko.

So because McCall and Rahman got lucky KO's they are better than Lennox, or should be seen as ATG's because they beat Lennox once before getting dominated completely in rematches? Ok Lewis was older, and fairly inactive - I DONT DISPUTE THESE FACTS, yet he was still coming off his career defining win v a shot Tyson, and at 37 was at barely past peak for most heavyweights. Fat? He was a few pounds off his usual fighting weights, and if anything that increased bulk actually probably kept him on his feet. Sure, it will have caused some detrimental effect in terms of stamina but in terms of strength and power it may have actually helped - if he had been able to bully Vitali physically and stopped him convincingly people would be saying that it was a clever ploy for fighting a bigger man. Smart man.

I don't understand what it is with this guy. Isn't it enough to be the best/second best of your era? Why do you have belittle former greats and discredit what they did in order to put forward Wlad or Vitali as the best of all times? What you don't get is that ATGness is determined not only by skill, but also how you win, when and against who. No one in their right mind would accept that a guy who's best win is a part-time golfer and a fat guy with his feet seemingly nailed to the floor, is the best of all times. These threads are getting out of hand really, and admittedly, I troll them for fun. But I always think that the thread starters usually just want a bit of trolling. But you seem to legitimately think this is true. Yeah.. maybe because I'm not trolling & genuinely believe in what I'm saying.. always back up what I say & am NOT intimidated by any hater that gets thrown my way because of the fact I think I'm stating the truth.. I have nothing to hide & am always available to debate unless I get my rights taken away.. so I suggest you get over it.. I'm not embarrassed to state an injustice to KLITSCHKO when others on here are being intimidated & being ganged up on. I am capable of going up against 20 haters if I have to & sometimes these are the odds I face because I receive little to no help by other Klitschko fans who KNOW I'm right but are scared to get fried & ganged up on.

pretty sure? how can wilder lose rounds against bums? he's not vitali klitschko here. unless you knock him down he's going to punish you. you can't outbox him. it's simply impossible. it's simply a fact. He lost to that dude on Showtime.. forgot his name.. also lost a rd or two in his last fight.. no way he's above 90% EVEN with the bums fought.

Like Cliff Rold succinctly said, Vitali's cumulative fight total is what defines him... skeptics will have you believe that it's his two defeats & NOT his 45 dominant victories that is remembered... well the fact that he's been involved in two of the most controversial heavyweight title bouts in the past twenty years.. including the best heavyweight brawl that's ever taken place amongst superheavyweights... not a bad thing to be remembered by. Vital vs Lennox was the last bout that took place between two alltime great heavyweights & for 6 rds.. it was a slugfest & toe to toe affair for the ages.

He had exactly one defense as champion. That some heavy legend stuff right there!! :lol1: Keep stating that one defense crap.. Vitali is in the top 5 or 6 for most consecutive title defenses.. just more hogwash you keep feeding the forum.. not for you to decide what value a belt holds.. it's recognized as a major belt & Vitali NEVER lost it in the ring... SO go get your facts straight...Mr. JOEL!

He was shamed or he would have rematched his conquerer. Isn't Lennox Lewis the proprietor of those comments? He might hold you responsible for copyright infringement.

Here's all his boxing records for ALL who think this is just trolling nonsense. I'll list his heavyweight records separately.. first i'll give you his records that stand for ANY of the weight classes. 1)Highest Scorecard RATIO in the history of boxing = 91% plus rds won 2)ONLY boxing champion never to have lost 3 rds in a fight on official judges scorecards 3)Only boxing champion NEVER to be outboxed. 4)Only boxing champion NEVER to be outslugged. 5)Only boxing champion NEVER to be outjabbed. 6) HIGHEST BER (BOXER EFFICIENCY RATING) in the history of boxing. 7)Only boxing champion never to trail on the scorecards AFTER the second rd. 8) Only fighter in boxing history that is a member of the 90/90 club (Scorecard & Stoppage Percentages) 9)Only boxer in history to have his lone two defeats be the subject of complete controversy & due to cut & injury stoppages ONLY while winning a cumulative 12 of the 15 rds he fought on all judges scorecards. 10) ONLY boxer to win back his title after nearly 4 yrs of retirement without a tuneup going straight to a title match.. in other words there's no boxer who's ever fought consecutive title bouts nearly 4 yrs apart let alone come out victorious. Heavyweight records 11) ONLY heavyweight champion to win a title while NEVER going the distance. 12) ONLY heavyweight champion to start his career with 27 consecutive stoppages 13) ONLY ranked heavyweight to have been taken the distance the least in his career ( only 8.5% of the time) 14) Highest % of wins coming via stoppage of any heavyweight champion.. 91% 15) Highest career KO% of any heavyweight champion if the Briggs fight would have rightfully been stopped.... 89.4% 16) ONLY HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION never to have fought the same opponent twice. 17) Only kickboxing champion to become heavyweight champion. 18) Highest skilled fighter standing 6 ft 8 or above in the history of boxing. 19) Fictional Head to Head rankings would have him ranked #1 based on all of the above as he has size advantages over 99% of the boxers who've ever fought. 20) Highest discrepancy of landed punches on his opponents vs landed punches on him in heavyweight history. All this while NEVER tasting canvas... only heavyweight champion not to with as many title fights & ONLY alltime heavyweight great in the top 20 not to do so if I'm not mistaken.

One of the judges in the Chisora fight had him winning 3 rounds? Not only is this crazy, you also don't know what you're talking about :rofl: Even if one of them moronically gave Chisora 3 rds.. dude was aimlessly walking into Klitschko counters & was spared jabs ALL NIGHT LONG that would've stopped him in his tracks like just about everyone else who'ss dared come forward on him. The other two judges gave him 2 rds.. therefore the average is less than 3.. since it's cumulative scoring but congratulations on finding the ONE CORRUPT JUDGE who gave a Klitschko opponent 3 rds ( I will have to verify this but i'll take your word.. even though you are one of the worst posters I've ever had the luxury of schooling).

P4P Locche undoubtedly craps all over Vitali. He's probably top 5, if not top 3 best defensive fighters of all times. He's up there with the likes of Whitaker and Pep - others i'm sure you don't know either. He's a definitive ATG. You don't represent Klitschko. Vitali would laugh at you for the crap you have said in this thread. You are essentially saying with this thread that a KO win over Sam Peter is the same as a KO win over George Foreman or Joe Frazier. That it's the KO, not the opposition, that matters. You don't make sense, and people are laughing at you. Because why would anyone appreciate the boxing gospel of a guy who doesn't know some of the greatest fighters of all times? It is clear to everyone that you are just trying to elevate the Klitschko's status. Even Klitschko fans have laughed at you in this thread - and it takes a damn lot for them to go against their own. Have a think about that. First off a guy who would NEVER even win a single second of any rd fighting Vitili craps on him how? That's as moronic as it gets. You're on a Vitali Klitschko thread.. yet you & your hating friends feel the need to dig up a fighter from the past not even in the same division to make a point. I could care less what anyone thinks of me... let alone Klitschko fans that shouldn't even call themselves one if they haven't gotten what I've stated in this entire thread.. they might as well be haters like yourself as far as I care. The fact that all of you vehemently denying how great Vitali Klitschko has truly been & are on here trying to desperately shoot down what I've stated here tells me I am 100% accurate in my findings. No one has ever been as throuroghly efficient or dominant as he has & that is WHAT SCARES ALL OF YOU.. because you have no leg to stand on... everything I've stated is 100% true & stands.