You really this dense? Its too late for this shyt.
Thats a coincidence. i couldve said SRL and since the fight I said Ali in a few comments the fighter is irrelevant. That herky jerky show boating style is NOT how Floyd fights.
Now get a grip.
No, you specifically said "pitty pat bullshyt" and insinuated Floyd dominated fights without them. Floyd is the king of pitty pat bullshyt! Dude has feather hands and always has.
Because, if it is close, you must allow for someone seeing the round differently than perhaps you may have scored it.
A close fight always means there is an acceptable spectrum of scores, not just one finite one.
That's exactly why boxing is broken. It shouldn't be that hard. The fact that three "professional" judges have three completely different scorecards says it all. It's stupid! Also, almost all of these robbery situations are a heavy majority in the opinion of fans. You say allow for someone seeing the round differently, what about when 75-90% see the decision differently? Isn't that more important?
A sport should never have an acceptable spectrum of scores. The fact that's even a thing just proves how broken this sport truly is. If there is going to be this stupid acceptable spectrum of scores then the number of judges needs to change, and by a lot.
Gave Wilder the first 9.
Fury only won the 10th and 11th and Maybe the 7th on my card.
Thats it though.
118-108 Wilder. I dont know why the whole showtime broadcast were scoring the fight like that. That pitty pat garabge didnt phase Wilder at all.
He spent the whole fight stuttering which made Wilder look "bad" more so than him actually being down on the cards. Thats why the retards were scoring it like that because they werent used to seeing Wilder not look like the terminator. Doesnt mean he wasnt winning rounds though thats bs
Oh, you're just trolling! Hahahaha you got us, good job.
All that herky jerky pitty pat bullshyt and yall on this site acting like we just watched a typical Floyd 12-0 performance.
fyck outta here. he didnt put shyt on the punches he threw and fought like a scared bytch. You call that seizure like stuttering bullshyt a feint?
Wilder had ONE damn move and Fury so much of a damn bum he still got caught.
We drinking tears tonight. His big goofy ass shouldve spent more time punching Wilder rather than dancing, making stupid faces and playing to the crowd.
This was for the heavyweight title!!! And you come out bullshyting like he prime Roy?? He aint that skilled to be playing like that and it cost him.
None of those antics affected Wilder at all. He fought like a b***** stuttering and clinching disgraceful. Stop acting like he just pulled off an Ali performance.
AND STILL!!!!!!!!!
I absolutely love you saying "pitty pat bullshyt and acting like we just watched a typical Floyd 12-0 performance" in the same sentence. You literally just described how Floyd won most of his fights while trying to do the exact opposite. Can you win that way or not? Which is it, man? You can't have it both ways.
This is literally an issue in every single sport that relies on human scoring. Figure skaters, MMA, snowboarding etc. You need to let it go bro.
Can you provide evidence of another scoring sport where three judges literally score completely opposite scores of each other? I will admit I haven't watched much Olympic sports in my life, but I highly doubt a figure skater will have one judge give a 3 one give a 6 and one give a 9. There's no way it'll be that far off. That's what happened tonight. How can you not be disgusted at 115-100 one way, 115-111 one way and 113-113? It makes zero sense that the "professional" judges can literally be completely spread across the "acceptable spectrum" like that. It's a joke and has ruined the sport, the funny part is that happened a long time ago and no one has even attempted to fix it.
115-111 one way, 115-110 one way and then 113-113. How is that not absolutely stupid to every boxing fan? It's like the three judges weren't just in disagreement with what they were watching, it's like all three were watching a completely different fight.
Cope how you wanna cope. You wont address my points though.
Bro, no one can debate with you when you say you had Wilder winning the first 9 rounds. The discussion is over at that point because it's such an asinine statement it has to mean you're trolling, or you're completely clueless and don't deserve anyone's time to debate you.
If you make sombody miss and you don't land...you don't get points. Go watch to WWE
What if you land a punch that's the equivalent of a pillow on their body somewhere? Floyd did that almost his entire career and somehow never "lost" a fight.
If there's lots of close rounds that can shift it either way i don't believe it is a robbery. Today Fury clearly won 9 and clearly won the fight.
If judges are struggling with a close round there is a simple solution, score it 10-10. If all three judges think a round is close they shouldn't just reward it to one fighter out of necessity, especially when the rules say they don't need to. You rarely, and I mean RARELY ever see it done in boxing. Maybe that is something that needs to be changed and emphasized to help these incompetent judges. The biggest problem is there is a "supposedly" a set criteria to judge a boxing match, but when you have three judges who can set bias to any of the criteria as they see fit, of course you'll have completely different scores.
You can’t knock down a tree by hitting the branches, but you can knock it down by hitting the trunk... think about that..
Again, going from how the fight transpired over the last half of the fight, not only did Canelo not knock the "tree" down by hitting it's trunk, he also didn't even prove the punches were effective. GGG only got stronger as the fight progressed. How do you explain that?
And, is the head a part of the trunk in this analogy. If so, GGG hit Canelo's trunk more times and harder than vice versa.
You mean Canelo.
If Canelo would have farted, Max Kellerman would have fell out.
LOL, people can't even agree which side the bias of the announcing was on. I agree with you btw.
Up to the 6 and 8 rounds in which I thought GGG was up but could see some having it even, all I could think was Canelo was dominating according to the announcers.
It was either Roy or Max and I can't remember the exact way it was said, but one of them said Canelo was winning the story of the fight. What the hell does that even mean? LOL
Canelo landed more hard shots to the head in both fights. Golovkin landed more punches in both fights, Canelo landed more hard punches. This thread is about you trying to make Golovkins jab into being equal to Canelo's power punches and they aren't. Golovkin got battered with the more hard shots than Canelo.
I don't see how you come to that conclusion. I think every punch that GGG throws is harder than every punch Canelo throws. I mean that in a the way that punch for punch GGG's power punches and jabs are harder punches.
Again, this thread and poll is about posters claiming Canelo won because of body shots and GGG lost because of a lack of body shots and landing too many jabs. I don't understand that argument and nobody has proved how that argument is a successful one to make. People can vote one way or another, but unless you can explain to me how Canelo's body shots were more effective than GGG's jabs it means nothing.
I just like having discussions sometimes and seeing so many posts about the same thing made me want to discuss this. Bottom line is the first fight went down as a draw and the second fight went down as a Canelo victory. I disagree with both and it doesn't matter to me. I know GGG is the better fighter and know he won both fights, as do a majority of people that watched both fights.
No he didn't get stronger. Throwing more punches doesn't mean they were harder punches. Trying to argue that Golovkin was physically stronger at the end of the fight than at the beginning is again nonsense.
It's nonsense in a fight where you won't find one observer that will argue against GGG landing at least his 10 hardest punches in the last 6 rounds? He definitely landed his best punches and punches that were more effective in the second half of the fight.
Canelo's body shots hurt GGG, that's why he was fighting backwards for the first time ever, that's the proof they were effective.
GGG doesn't fight like that, and he looked uncomfortable doing it. GGG stopped throwing body punches after ginger nailed him with a nasty body hook in the early rounds, he stopped completely, he kept his elbows tightly closed for most of the fight, more proof the body punches were doing damage.
On the other hand Canelo never stopped coming forward despite eating jab after jab, so in short...no, GGG's jab wasn't more effective than Canelo's body shots, it just landed more frequently
I agree that GGG has the most powerful jab in the division, certainly a more powerful jab than Canelo's, but that doesnt mean his jab equals a "power punch", unless there's some GGG fights I missed were he was koing ppl with jabs
Again, who cares about going backwards if you're losing exchanges. I can only go off of the numbers that are available. ESPN has Canelo landing less than 4 body shots a round. How was that what forced GGG to go backwards? Canelo decided that was how he wanted to fight. Only one fighter can move forward or you'd end up with both fighters in a constant clinch. Please provide video of a fight where both fighters are both moving forward the entire 12 rounds. I've never seen it and that would be a spectacle to watch, a boring spectacle but one nonetheless.
If GGG kept his elbows tight most of the fight did Canelo even actually land 46 body shots? I honestly don't think he did. I felt like a majority of his body shots were blocked or grazing shots.
What makes Canelo's body shots power shots? I honestly want to know the answer because I don't. Is there no body shot that doesn't count as a power shot?
Canelo's body shots made GGG run all night. That should tell you the whole story right there.
Watch the fight again and focus on how GGG reacted every time Canelo landed to the body.
He winced, grimaced, scowled, and moved ten steps back every time. (Ten steps is an exaggeration yes but you get the point).
So, GGG ran this fight? Did Canelo run the first fight?
I saw Canelo land a body shot and get countered with a very powerful jab that would snap his head back.
Do you think Canelo won because of body shots? In your opinion are Canelo's body shots 2.5 times more damaging than GGG's jabs?
Wrong. As in the first fight Golovkin was throwing a shortened jab which takes almost all power off. Roy Jones said the same damn thing. He had to shorten the jab because he couldn't land it if not, he found that out in the first few rounds of the first fight.
Making an alt just to post this shows that you know what you're saying is stupid btw. :rofl:
He wasn't throwing a shortened jab last night. He peppered Canelo's head with power jabs all 12 rounds.
LOL @ alt
Dude, I just made this account and this is my first time ever posting on this message board. I don't care about internet points. If you voted for Canelo's body shots please explain why.
No they aren't. Sure he has a good jab but to compare it to a power punch like a straight or hook is nonsense. He shortened the jab too. If his jabs were as hard as the average MW power punch Canelo wouldn't have been eating them to move forward.
Why didn't you answer my question. If you had to make an educated guess, who's jab is more powerful between Canelo and GGG? Do you think every boxers jabs are equal in power? Is it not possible for a boxer to have a jab that would be considered a power punch? One would assume that a boxer that is regarded as one of the hardest punchers of all time could have a jab that might be one of the hardest jabs of all time. Do you disagree?
Canelo knows that his fans were disappointed the way he fought the first fight. I give Canelo props for the way he fought. He made the decision that he was gonna absorb all punishment to fight the way his fans wanted him to even if it got him KO'd. He thought he could win fighting that way because Canelo believed he could KO GGG, and obviously he can't and couldn't even hurt him.
This thread isn't about who has the harder jab. No a jab will never be considered a power punch. It simply doesn't generate as much force as a power punch, i don't care how good it is.
But a body punch that doesn't slow down an opponent's movement, punching output and punching power, is a power punch? How does that work?
Did you miss the part were GGG fought going backwards for the first time in his career?
also power punches >>> jabs
this isn't amateur boxing where all punches count the same and you can get away with simply tapping your opponent with your fluffy jab
What does going backwards have to do with winning or losing a boxing match. Canelo was coming forward and paying dearly for it all night by eating "NON FLUFFY" jabs. I think you like many other people are missing my point that GGG's jabs are some fluffy Floyd Mayweather jab. They are powerful punches that cause damage and a noticeable effect. What makes a body shot automatically be a power punch? I honestly don't understand that reasoning.
Before you go talking about aggression and ring generalship, remember it's about effective aggression and ring generalship. You can come forward all fight, but if you're constantly getting countered with a powerful jab that is causing damage to your face and brain it means nothing.
I'll ask you like the other fellow that couldn't muster an answer. You brought up that all punches aren't the same in professional boxing. Do you believe every boxer has the same power in their jabs? Is it not possible that GGG's jabs are extremely powerful and more effective? If you had to make an educated guess, who's jab is more powerful between Canelo and GGG?
I guess some peeps didn't see GGG keeping his elbows in.
That's what I saw most of the fight. Canelo definitely didn't land this obscene amount of body shots that some are making it out to be. I'm not sure where these stats come from, but ESPN Stats and Info PunchZone have Canelo landing 46 body shots. That's less than 4 body shots a round. GGG landed at least triple that amount of jabs and those punches were definitely harder with power or cumulative absorption.
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Speaks volumes about the way you view boxing.
I know you don't like to answer questions because it goes against your narrative and destroys any argument you think you might have, but I'm gonna try one more.
Is it possible that one boxer's face can absorbed damage better than another? Let's go a litter further. If every human is punched in the face in the same exact spot by the same exact machine putting the exact same amount of pressure, will every face have the same exact damage in appearance?
Golovkin got hit with the harder shots in both fights. To win with the jab you better be dominating rounds clearly, because jabs don't hold as much weight as power punches.
You obviously aren't getting my point of view. GGG'S JABS ARE POWER PUNCHES. I'm not questioning your boxing knowledge, so please don't take it that way, but you do realize a jab from one fighter can be completely different from another, right? If you had to take an educated guess between who's jab was more powerful between Canelo and GGG, who's would you choose?
You said damage to the face. I showed you the facial damage. Golovkin clearly looks like he's been in a road accident or something and Canelo looks pretty clean. You brought it up no need to start with an attitude. :lol1:
Ok, going off your premise since there are no pictures of GGG's body showing bruising or marks that means that none of Canelo's body punches caused damage, right? See how stupid that argument is. I'm arguing that Canelo's face doesn't mark up as much as GGG's face does. I've never really seen Canelo's face look damaged and seen him take plenty of hard shots to the face. That's a known thing that happens in boxing. Some boxers faces mark up easier than other's. Do you honestly disagree with that?
Who landed more punches to the head between these two fighters last night? Who landed the harder punches to the head last night? Remember the point of my post was that many posters that believe Canelo won was because he landed so much to the body.
People saying GGG jabs harder than Canelo's power punches this can't be real life.
What makes Canelo's or any boxers body punch a power punch? This post is specifically about Canelo's body shots. I've watched Floyd Mayweather land pot shot body punches his whole career, and they aren't power punches. That's not the point of this post and poll. Do you honestly believe Canelo's body shots that seemed to have no effect on GGG's stamina and punching speed or power were more powerful punches than GGG's jabs that literally snapped Canelo's head back all night? If so, what makes you believe this to be the case?
Weren't that effective? The body shots were clearly hurting Golovkin. He was protecting the right side of his body early in the fight because they were getting to him. Did Golovkins shortened jab stop Canelo walking him down? Did it damage his face? Nope. Had little effect.
So, how do you explain Canelo's body shots not slowing down GGG's movement or punching output. Specifically the fact he threw more punches over the last 6 rounds. GGG averaged 66 punches for the first 6 rounds and 80 for last 6 rounds. How were these body shots so effective?
Canelo definitely stopped coming forward less in the second half of the fight. I don't care how much he was coming forward, he was eating a power jab all 12 rounds. He got hit with it flush in every single round multiple times. Canelo got gifted a draw and a win in two fights with GGG, he made a lot of money but his brain will definitely pay a way bigger price later in life for all the head shots he absorbed.
I voted for Canelo's wicked body punches. He is probably the best body puncher in boxing. GGG has the best jab in boxing. It's fast, hard and accurate and he throws and lands more jabs a round than any other boxer.
What makes them so wicked if they don't have the affect that they're supposed to have? GGG got stronger as the fight progressed. I have no problem with you voting for Canelo's body shots. I know media punch stats or Combubox aren't 100% accurate or anywhere near 100%, but that's all I have to go on as far as numbers. According to ESPN's PunchZone Canelo landed 46 body shots and according to Compubox GGG landed 118 jabs. Are Canelo's body shot's worth 2.5 times more than GGG's jabs? That's how much more damaging his body shots really are?
You said they were doing damage to Canelo's face. I showed you the damage to both their faces.
So, damage can only be seen in appearance only. My bad, I didn't know that's how it works. Do you really want to play that game? Should we start posting pictures of fighters faces and then declare the winner and see how it matches up with actual fight results?
Back to the point of this post and poll. Please show me pictures of those "BRUISING POWER PUNCH" body shots that Canelo landed less than 4 times a round. I can't wait to see the bruises all over GGG's body. I don't believe that damage is only showed through appearance, so I will take the reports about the internal injuries that GGG suffered as well.
I'm sure you'll keep ignoring all the questions I keep asking you.
I value body shots a lot and think they tend to get missed by fans and judges. I was disappointed that Canelo's body work wasn't as clean as it usually is. And, that he kept running into Golovkin's jab, over and over.
That said, I don't rate one type of punch vs another.
Great response. I'm not asking in general which punch is better. Obviously both punches are a huge part of boxing and extremely effective in the sport. I'm just curious which punch people consider the more damaging punch between these two fighters. I think just going off the fact that a body punch is used to affect stamina and the speed and punching power of an opponent and the fact GGG only got better the second half of the fight and threw his hardest punches counteracts that. Wouldn't that lead one to assume Canelo's body shots weren't that effective?