It's a combination a many things, starting with what nature gave you in your arms...your relative percentage of quick/slow muscle fibers is pretty much fixed from birth , so your ability to accelerate a mass (your fist) cannot be increased so much.
Punching technique ,like putting your body weight in your hand, is also primordial. Fighters who are not blessed with natural power can often obtain almost the same effect if they have an excellent technique + quickness + perfect timing. Look at Tzyu's right hand, it's so effective because he throws it when he knows he will catch the guy.
Also tall and skinny fighters have natural ability to hit hard, maybe because of the leverage...
Tall... skinny... leverage... AKA Tommy Hearns
Wow those cuts alone should retire him because if they opened up that much in a 3 round fight imagine a 12 rounder......
But yea its time to go since he just doesnt have it anymore
I agree, I saw this coming when he made his 'comeback' against Angel Priolo, he was not just rusty, but spent. The wars took a toll on his body. When he weighed in I looked right at his eyes and saw his eyelids. They looked puffy and weird. I thought 'wow those are puffy eyelids somethings different, and he's also prone to cutting, this fights probably gonna get stopped on cuts.' It didn't get stopped on cuts, but it might as well have been stopped on cuts because Vasquez clearly couldn't see properly which led to the stoppage. I wish it was a war, and I wish it wasn't, because these guys have been through too much. Boxing is a blood and guts sport, and that's exactly what the fans wanna see. Vasquez should consider retirement. I don't say this often, but he doesn't look like he used too. He definitely needs to think about his options.
Any of those fights would be incredible, especially the valero fight. I can see valero and pacquiao going at it for 3 incredible rounds where each is nodding and going wild, but in the end pacman's skill and experience would probably take over, it could be something like Hagler/Hearns all over again. I would prefer the Marquez fight out of any of these because Marquez is the only man to prove in more than one fight that he can fight on Manny's level, maybe not anymore, but I still think it would be something special. Margarito is too dangerous for Manny, he's too big, and not cotto or clottey big, but way too tall, about 4 to 5 inches taller.
Man My guy andrew tabiti from our gym lost, he's really good but i guess we all lose some time. It's sad though for him because he's way back on experience with around only 10 fights i believe.
I haven't read any of the posts, there are too many, and if no one has mentioned this then everyone must be blind. Arum is keeping it in house, with all these questions surrounding all of pac's recent fights... weight restrictions to name a big one, but how can you look at this fight and not see the possibility of a fix? Pacman is a cash cow, why not keep it going until he eventually fights a real fight, and that would be with mayweather.
Good place to bring a fight. If there are decent judges no one is going to get robbed, but who know these days, haha. Dirrell can win a clean UD if he boxes and moves like he did in the Froch fight, because Froch was going forward and throwing a lot of punches and Dirrell barely broke a sweat through the whole fight. Abraham isn't really a pressure fighter he likes to take breathers and explodes especially now that he's carrying more weight. It's gonna be tough for Abraham to win if he just boxes because Dirrell is an unbelievably fast boxer and moves really well. Abraham needs to hurt Dirrell to win. Dirrell just needs to box beautifully like in the Froch fight and stay out of the way of Abraham's explosions, and there won't be any robbery.
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A lot of Haterade being drank in this crowd. Marquez is one of the best tacticians that have lived, hands down. He hasn't been caught doing drugs ever (not saying he never has done them, who knows), so I dont understand. Maybe you're still salty from the Pac KO. What I'm saying is, everytime he fights win or lose, it's beautiful, and you cannot deny that.
co-sign. i've never heard of pirog until now...i'm not going to jump on the bandwagon but he impressed me with that KO.
Yea haha I'm gonna wait till he burns a little more tread on the circuit until I really invest my time on this guy, but he looked great tonight, hopefully he looks that good against some really good guys. That ending reminded me of the ortiz maidana fight, I hated the hype around ortiz and knew he wasn't as good as people thought.
If there is a stipulation where he must be under a certain weight when he actually enters the ring, we will never know. That kind of thing will be firmly kept under wraps from the public so as to not skew the abilities of a fighter. So, you cannot, with all certainty, say there isn't a weigh stipulation, or never has been in any fight, because I'm almost positive nobody here (or anyone besides the immediate fighters camps) has been there when a contract for a fight as big as this was signed, including Clottey v Pac.
What I didn't like was how when they showed the tale of the tape they said manny was at 150 on the day of the fight and how Clottey's camp 'denied' hbo to unofficially weigh him in for the fight night. That made me question if there was a weight restriction clause in their contract. He also was a lot smaller in the ring compared to other other fights like when he fought cotto he was a lot bigger. Maybe he didn't throw a lot because he was drained of water, and maybe he didn't throw a lot cause it was a fix, or I'm all wrong and he didn't throw because he just didn't want to take the belt from pacquiao like a champion would. Either way something was wrong that night.
Martinez next?
I just heard after Pacman EASILYRun's through Margarito for the Jnr Middleweight title, he's going to be taking on Sergio Martinez for his undisputed middleweight titles, at a catchweight of 152, of course (I think it was a Ronnie article). Manny is becoming a joke, they're making a circus out of boxing and are discracing real champions of their respected weight divisions. What a fix.
It's up on youtube just look up steve cunningham vs troy ross, I couldn't post the link because I haven't made more than 15 comments... It looked like a thumbing to me.
I still think too many people are banking on the whole “Pac is fighting the bigger guy” theory when Manny is clearly passed that stage as Nazeem Richardson stated along those lines.
Right now it’s just a battle of skill, after holding his own at welter I think it’s pretty fair to say Manny is passed this aforementioned theory.
Well, Oscar was a joke at welter when he fought pac he was pretty much retired and extremely weight drained he only gained 1 pound from the weigh in to the next day, and when pac fought cotto it wasn't even at the welterweight limit (and it was for a belt that is supposed to be 147 not 145!), they drained him to 'make it a fair fight' haha
Santa Cruz is a pretty good test for a dedicated Zab Judah. Cruz was at my gym in Vegas helping Katsidis out with sparring when katsidis was getting ready to fight Escobedo. The guy's pretty tough, he goes forward and throws a lot of slow looping shots with a decent floor to chin uppercut, he was even backing katsidis up a lot of the time during sparring. He has a very awkward style but if Zab doesn't let the pressure get to him, I'm pretty sure he can easily go right between Cruz's shots and pot shot him hard all night to an easy UD or even a late stoppage (if he still has his speed and legs under him).
The first fight was great, and this second one will be too. Back in the day of SRR they'd fight anybody, even Jake Lamotta 6 times,winning 5 of them, haha. I say, let them fight! Because there will be blood, and we all love blood! I would have liked Marquez to fight Hatton or Valero, but ohwell.
Im so happy Jacobs lost the way he did, he was such a hype job fighting all tomato cans. I never saw Pirog before but he's one of my favorites now because he's a fighter not a runner. Right away Jacobs got rocked and realized he couldn't trade with this guy and started adjusting and doing better, but reality sank in pretty quickly on his weak chin. Great night so far!
Im still not sold on Nate being as crappy as everyone thinks. I think Ortiz was also just a horrible matchup for him with his speed & most of all his Southpaw style. Nate did good against Casamayor but Joel isnt going to move or run like Ortiz. He had no chance against that style. I think against someone else he would look better but he's also getting up there and has been shaky in all of his performances lately so he might as well hang em up
I also believe Campbell's not an old worn out dog like people believe. Imagine if Victor Ortiz fought Campbells fight and instead of getting on a bicycle for the majority of the fight, like Ortiz did (It reminded me of a poor man's version of Yuri Foreman, but it was a good display of boxing skills), Imagine if he planted his feet and went toe to toe with Campbell. Now that would of been a fight! But then again Poor Victor learned his lesson against Marcos Maidana when he tried to actually fight him and go toe to toe. I'm not saying Campbell could of done the same thing to Ortiz as Maidana did, but instead I'm saying that if Ortiz had elected to actually fight instead of box we as fans would of been presented with a much better showing!
Even though they're old, I would still watch this enthusiastically. Botha gave Tyson big problems up until he was knocked out because he was being careless, but that was a long time ago. Hopefully both of these older guys have something left to put on a good show.