Mosley would win in an all out war
Don't judge Shane from how he looked against Pacquiao/Floyd
Mosley can take shots much better than Tito ever could. You all seem to be under the illusion that because Shane would stand and trade he'd get KO'd. Mosley can hurt Trinidad more than Trinidad could hurt him. Power Boxing would suit Mosley against a fighter like Tito
For those picking Tito by KO - Let me tell you something about Shane's chin. He's been down 3 times as a PRO/AMATEUR. Over 2 decades:
- Dropped twice in round 2 against Vernon Forrest. And this happened seconds after a major headbutt (Mosley got cut)
- Dropped once against Pacquiao. 10/1 underdog, widely expected to get KO'd. Shane is a completely shot 40 year old now, and he still got up from the KD and ended the fight on his feet. He was never on queer street
- NEVER KO'd, and has fought as high as 154. Has fought lots of ELITE fighters: DLH(x2), Vargas(x2), Pacquiao, Mayweather, Mayorga, Forrest(x2), Cotto, Margarito, Winky(x2)
You think Trinidad could have taken flush right hands from Mosley like Margo did (till he caved in after 9 rounds)? Really? Shane in his prime had no problems with fighters who were willing to engage :boxing:
Disclaimer: No offence to Trinidad fans
Don't necessarily agree that SSM would actually win, but fully cosign the rest. Shane had a cast iron freaking chin, and plenty of power to keep Tito honest. Shane was never ko'ed, never close to getting ko'ed in his entire life. Think about that in the context of who he fought, it's pretty amazing.
I believe (could be remembering wrong though) that when the Super Six was finalized, the Ring agreed ahead of time that the finals would be for the Ring belt.
Lets say Mayweather and Pacquiao both win there upcoming fights, and we fail to get a 3rd negotiation done successfully.
Who does Pacquiao fight next, with the pressure being put on Pacquiao to fight a young up & comer or someone in there prime, and especially since Mayweather came back and did that, who does he fight?
Bob Arum mentioned names before such as Bradley, Ortiz, Martinez, Cintron and Judah.
Does this count out the chances of Pacquiao fighting Ortiz, Judah, and Cintron?
If it's not Floyd and not Sergio there are no real good options.
Canelo at 150-ish would be fun.
Of the ones you named:
If Zab beats Khan, especially if it's decisive, he would become a legit opponent.
You're not dropping any breaking news on me here, man. I was just trying to put it into terms that the guy could understand.
There's actually a sports betting thread somewhere in the lounge, where I said, almost word for word, what you just posted.
Stick around and post more. Not too many people around here with a betting mind.
Fair enough.
And for what it's worth I agree with you on this: any money on ortiz should take the KO prop. Insane not to. Can anyone think of a story in which vic actually wins 7 of 12 rounds?
Betting odds. Bet one dollar on Ortiz to win eight. Or 10 to win 80. Or 100 to win 800, etc.
Or. 8 to win 1 on Mayweather. 80 to win 10. 800 to win 100.
Basically, they're just saying that if Mayweather and Ortiz fought 8 times, that Ortiz only has a chance to win once.
That’s not what it means.
Vegas sets the odds to do two things:
1-Generate the most action
2-Make the action as evenly split as possible between the two fighters
Vegas doesn’t try to predict the future of anything. They care about making money, not fortune telling. If the betting is evenly split between the two fighters, Vegas is guaranteed to make a profit, regardless of who wins.
That's exactly what 8 to 1 means. It's not a matter of what Vegas is trying to do. It's a matter of what the odds itself means. 8 to 1 means if something happens 8 times, there's only a chance that the "1" happens once. The same as 50/50 means that if you flip a coin 100 times, there's an equal chance of either side landing.
I know exactly what the odds are meant to do. They want to get even action on both sides. More so in a spot where you're talking about -115 on each end. Because they collect the vig.
Right but wrong. If you're talking about normal probability, then yes you're right: 8/1 odds means something has a 1 in 8 chance.
But in terms of vegas, odds don't reflect who vegas thinks is better. they reflect vegas's opinion on who we (the public) think is better.
If vegas actually "thought" that ortiz really had a 1 in 8 chance of winning they would never adjust the betting line. If a lot of money came in on ortiz they would just happily accept all the unwise bets, knowing that they had a 7/8 chance of winning.
Not trying to pick a fight with you. I mention this just because all the time you see people claiming that fighter A is getting "disrespected" because vegas puts him as a big underdog. When it has nothing to do with respect, it has to do with how to run a sports book.