Burt_Saxby

From what I've recently read, Lennox Lewis thinks that Fury isn't a worthy opponent for Wlad, and I think that Lennox is right. Beating Able, Chisora, and Hammer isn't going to prepare Fury for Wlad. Chirs Byrd wasn't even worthy enough to spar Lewis according to Manny Steward. But in the rank Klitschko era - Byrd when shot is good enough to pass the torch onto Wlad. LAMFO.

All this therapist type talk is making Klitschko sound like a massive dickhead. He is the chump who needs a lesson in honourable conduct to become a better sportsman.

Fury was ready to go in the 12th, he was hanging on for dear life. Had it been a 15 rounder, Vladimir most likely would have knocked him out. Fury was gassed, his trunks were hanging from his arse, literally. And I agree with you that Wilder knocks out Fury in brutal fashion. Ready to go but was jumping around and singing a song just moments later? Had it been a 15 rounder , Wlad would not have opened up till that 15 round because knowing the finishing line was upon him is what gave him that moments bravery. As well as seeing Fury reach around to pull up his shorts.

Peter KO Patterson in 10 seconds Peter KO1 Ali1 Peter KO3 Ali2 Peter KO3 Liston Tyson KO9 Peter in tough fight Lewis UD Peter by run and gun ala Tua style Who did Peter ever knock out in one round , or 2 rounds , or 3 rounds. Peter couldn't knock out Gilbert Martinez- a 154 pound journey man in the first round and only managed a tko in the 3rd. But he KO's Ali in one? How empty is your life you sad pathetic little insect?

You mean that feared puncher Peter that was knocking everybody out?? Yeah, what a REAL bum that guy must have been!! LOL There is only one way to describe the 4 year come-back of Vitali to beat such a menacing opponent as Samuel PEter... Incredible! And for those who are unaware exactly who this "bum" PEter was... http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/samuel_peter_2007_10_04.jpg ^^That pretty much sums it up! - Samuel Peter would have been one of the highlights of ANY boxers resume - You only have a few boxers who could have withstood and beaten Samuel Peter AND - NONE of your old time favourite boxers could have ever survived Samuel Peter, let alone beat him. The facts. Eddie Chambers when in the worst shape of his career and operating at his slowest worst - easily beat Peter. He had less trouble with Peter than Wlad did. What does Peter do for Chambers legacy? Absolutely nothing. So why would he be a highlight victory for former greats? A joke like Peter would never had made it into contention. Tua was better than Peter in every possible way imaginable and he never came close to picking up a Belt because he campaigned in an era that wasn't a total joke like the one Wlad fought in- and Wlad still lost , struggled , fouled , cheated and required a tag partner to stay on top of it. Hilarious you calling somebody else a simpleton. Your argument for everything is the same repetitive drivel an infant would dribble out. You cannot put a case forward for these bums being any good. - your simple explanation is that they would beat the best of former era , despite the fact they couldn't even beat the worst in the ****test HW division since the 1880's.

Will that clown Elroy disappear now. The fool who thought Wlad would KO Ali in two rounds...haha

He out-boxed James Toney who had abused Holyfield at heavyweight. So Peter knew nothing about boxing and done that? You're dumb :wave: Mike Tyson beat Holmes and Berbick who beat Ali. Tyson must be the greatest of all time? You don't really know what you are talking about do you? Peter wouldn't have lasted the opening round against Mike Tyson or Joe Louis MWs and LHWs beat and out boxed prime James Toney. A dangerous man at HW who bounced around Wlad Klitschko got out boxed by a fat and shot James Toney. Toney who was years past it and not anymore good enough to compete in his own division went 1-1 over 24 rounds with Peter. Toney was robbed because he had no business or future at HW and because Peter was a Don King fighter. . Let that sink in before you glorify this Sam Peter. Robert Helenius ended his career in a one sided mis-match and who was Robert Hinenius? A guy who was beaten pillar to post by Derrick Chisora.

Wlad did repeat in the corner that he wanted to go on. But Williamson wasn't a beaten man. The doctor stopped the fight on the cut as possible pupil damage could occur. How do you know that?. Were you one of his corner men? The scratch was up on the forehead. It was nowhere near the 'pupil' of the eyeball and no where close to being a fight ending cut. Wlad got the same cut - if not worse - against Thompson but did not withdraw then because he was in control. With due respect to Wlad he came back and fought the biggest threat in the division straight after. Sam Peter? I can't give anybody respect for going life and death and having to run , hold and foul against an embarrassment like Peter. Watch his fight with Vitali again to see how utterly pathetic he was. If Wlad was a great like his clown fans say , Peter would have been running and holding Wlad , not the other way around.

Except the fact that he didn't. Did you even watch that fight? Did you? Jennings only found the stoppage when Spilka suddenly dropped both his hands down out of nowhere. Before that it was nip and tuck. Spilka clearly only had half a fight in him. It was a 100% guy fighting a 50% guy. Thats the second best win of his career. His best win was a losing effort until a point deduction put him ahead. Bruce Seldon and Jesse Fuerguson were better than Jennings.

If a referee permits it you can not criticise the boxer in question for utilising said tactic, Yes you can. He is the one fouling. He is the one entirely at fault. The house ref is the same as hometown judges. And yes , Wlad clearly had his house ref in Russia. You really don't know anything about boxing , do you?

Actually Povetkin was Klitchkos best win. And only Klitchko has beat him thus far as he did Haye at HW. fury has no special wins at all outside a sub par Wlad and Chisora...both good wins ,but to lable Wlad an unknown talent when most likely he will win a rematch anyway,well like the fury band wagon you are jumping the gun. A decade of dominance > One big one No conveniance excuse necessary...the punch stats show what Wlad showed up....Everyone else however used the weight excuse for 38 year old Lewis which actually is an excuse. What does it say about Klitschko when his best victory was obtained by constant use of cheat and foul tactics and would have lost by DQ had a neutral ref been in there??

Wlad did beat Williamson, he was ahead at time of stoppage. Tell me, who would you have in the rematch??? Only an absolute tool like you would pick against WlAD, even against opponents he DID in fact lose to the first time!! How did he beat him. Did he knock him out? Did he win large on the cards? Williamson was far from a beaten man. No unbiased , natural observer would look at that fight and say -Williamson was a beaten man . If anybody looked beaten , it was Wlad Winning 3 openings rounds of a match means jack ****. If it did Mayweather would have around 10 losses. Tell me why exactly why Wlad was pulled if he was winning? Everybody in there knew his tank was completely empty. The KD physically and physiologically took the fight out of him. Wlad must avoid being hit at all costs. He can't mentally deal with it. Thats why he's a human octopus in the ring. A repeat of Brewster was occurring and 40% reason for the pull out was to save Wlad from another stoppage loss and the rest was to protect Manny Stewards reputation as a trainer. A loss to Williamson would have been devastating. These things don't happen to great fighters. Wlad hasn't faced a mover like that since. Fury has the potential to beat this fraud easy.

Yeah sure.. How about, landing punch after punch on BGrewster and barely getting hit the entire fight yet strangely getting more and more fatigued until he could barely even walk let alone fight. Funny enough, medical report seemed to agree with me. Everybody knows that the Brewster victory was illegitimate. Most nutbags prefer to tuck it under the rug because they know it. Only an absolute FOOL would try to bring that fight up to discredit Wlad! What happened to Wlad there , is what happened to Angulo against Kirkland. Douglas against Tucker. Foreman vs Ali. Robinson vs Maxim. How about this. One minute a boxer is firing on all cylinders, totally in control of the fight ,but the next minute he is on the canvas asleep. How can that be? Its impossible. Or its called a knock out You really don't understand the sport at all do you?

Fury isn't a high caliber fighter. Chris Byrd, Ibragimov, Chambers, Povetkin, Haye, Pulev are for instance. He has fought and beat tough guys too, Chagaev, Botha, Wach, Sam Peter, etc... Fury just isn't among his top opposition. But as I said, the timing with Fury is good, and I agree where you are going that Fury is ready in the sense that he probably wont be more ready than he is now, before Vlad retires anyway. The thing with Vlad never having faced something like Fury is far fetched, he has faced lots of big guys, southpaw boxers too. Again, experience... Lol @ Chambers being a higher calibre fighter than Fury. And Haye who ran from Fury. Chambers stated many times that Fury is the second best fighter in the division. Not one of those guys you listed would beat Fury. Chambers spent a lot of time in the Fury camp and he knows exactly what Fury is capable of. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Chambers was perhaps the fastest HW boxer that ever lived you idiot, with nothing less than an "excellent" record, only ever losing t upper eschelon fighters. The fact that Peter and Chambers fought to an MD is a PROOF of the quality of Peter as a boxer, NOT the other way around! As usual you guys take a positive and spin it to a negative. Disgraceful!! You didn't see these fights. It as simple as that.

It is unimaginable what the REAL Wladimir Klitschko would have done to Fury. The Klitschko who was blown away by Sanders and Brewster? The 'Real' Wlad who badly struggled with Williamson , Peter and Thompson. 3 guys not on Tyson's level?

Jennings definitely hits harder than Fury. Povetkin hits harder than Fury. Wach hits harder than Fury, even if he lacks speed. Haye hits harder than Fury. Chagaev hits harder than Fury. Thompson hits harder than Fury. It's rather interesting that you have so many Wladimir fault videos, almost as if you're prepared for these moments lmao Jennings is the biggest pillow puff puncher in the division with a weak ass 50% KO rate. Punching power is technique combined with distribution of body weight amongst other factors. Jennings can't turn over a punch properly and weighs about 40 pounds less than Fury. You have 'casual newbie fan' inked across your forehead.

Because he expects Fury to utilise a lot of movement as Fury knows he can ill afford to take a single flush right hand, Klitschko will have to be on his toes as he was versus the other British running man, Haye-Faker. Wlad will need to be at his fittest in more than four years, stamina training as he did for the WBA unification. Yeah , Wlad is going to turn himself into Ali with 3 months training and at near 40 years old:omfg:

LoL @ these people crying and wondering why Wlad gets critiqued and in the very next post they go onto declare him as the Greatest of all Time. After losing a fight one sided no less. Maybe its possible that Wlad created all his own criticism for years of unsportsmanlike behaviour. - Slave contracts Constant illegal grappling and mauling Clinch riddled foul infested fights Tampering with the ring canvas Glove gate Wearing pumps at the weight in Pull outs Corrupt refs. Refusing pre fights drug testing. Then you have the fanboi's Greatest jab of all time. Greatest of all time- Both in H2H and Resume Unstoppable left hook. Has the best run of opponents in history. Chambers and Peter would be top dogs in any era Wach is better than Fury. (posted in this very thread) Wlad is a better 15 round fighter The madness goes on and on. They are the perpetrators of his own unpopularity but are too stupid to see that far ahead.

He usually looks better against tall fighters, I think it'll be a great fight as long as it lasts for Fury. So it takes utter bums like Mariuz Wach to make Wlad look good? This theory stemmed from the Wach fight. I thought Wlad is a master of controlling range and distance, so how come he cannot shine against smaller guys with his size advantage? Size is an advantage for every fighter but its not for Wlad? Maybe Wlad just isn't as good as you think he is.

People need to realize that Vladimir is way better now in every aspect than he was 10 years ago. You can go on about his 3 defeats all you want. It is not the same fighter. Fury would have a bigger chance of beating the Vlad from a decade ago than the Vlad of today. Remember the Povertkin fight. Boy , he looked like Larry Holmes in there that night:tool:

Beez; Once again your half caste nut bag nature emerges again.. All the things you said about Peter and Fury are true, except you had to throw in that Peter didn't hit as hard as Shavers or Foreman! Peter was about 2 punch classes harder than Foreman and about 5 punch classes above Shavers! Foreman's power would be described today as "average" and in terms of his very poor skillset also as "very low threat". Shavers would be today regarded as a "featherfist" and "absolute bum" of no threat to any top 50 boxer whatsoever. He would be regarded as a CRUISERWEIGHT puncher for sure, but again, he didn't have the skills to land anything significant on a modern cruiser. If you dropped the nutbag act, you'd be among the best posters here. Wake up mate, these old guys were all shockingly poor by comparison! Peter had marhmallow fists as well as a disgraceful glass chin. The total bum Jameel McCline almost knocked Peter spark out in the first few rounds. To add insult to injury - MaCline had only taken the fight on a weeks notice and was in the worst shape of his life. After MaCline blew his gas tank after 4 rounds , he still remained competitive with Peter till the final bell. This Peter with his supposed savage power couldn't come close to putting away a fat journey man with blown gas tank for the simple reason he was also a bum with woeful stamina with the addition of pathetic pillows as an excuse for fists. Remember how the best version of Wlad had to run for his life for 70% of the fight against Peter? hahaha

I most certainly did but that was not the general thought at the time amongst fans and analysts. Nobody considered Peter a bum at the time. It was only after Vitali humiliated him did anyone think that. The guy was a beast before hand. He gave Wladimir a very good, exciting fight. Not so much with Vitali. Maybe you don't know because you weren't around boxing at the time. Wise up. Wrong. Its a fabrication thats been exaggerated by K-turds to brush away the fact Wlad was nearly knocked out and struggled with an absolute bum with no skills. Peter never had skills - even when he was unbeaten. That was blatantly evident to anybody who knew what boxing skill was. You clowns try make out he was like Mike Tyson which he most certainly was not so it would only make perfect sense that you were not around at the time. The poll here says it all. The people who thought Peter had any chance knew nothing about boxing and you just outed yourself as one of them. http://www.*************.com/showthread.php?t=94848

We've been here before. Anybody who subscribes to the notion that the reason the Sanders/Klitschko rematch never occurred because Wladimir "ducked" him falls squarely into the realm of "Old Time Nut Baggery!" Circumstance played the role there not cowardice. It took Lennox much time and fights to avenge his McCall defeat and it took your love child Muhammad Ali even longer and more fights to avenge his Frazier defeat. Wlad v Sanders is comparable to Lewis- Rahamn. . Not Lewis - MaCall. Wlad v Purrity is Lewis v Macall Lewis had the same number of professional fights. Except MaCall is an ATG compared to Purrity. Lewis went on to beat MaCall. Vitali beat Purrity for Wlad. Wlad had more fights and more experience than Lewis when he got battered in two rounds by a semi retired, faded Sanders. Rahman was prime and had already knocked out a much better version of Sanders when he beat Lewis. Lewis immediately rematched Rahman. Vitali stepped in for Wlad again to beat the worst , fattest , oldest version of Sanders.

Yeah he clinches -- but the ref should be free to warn/deduct if so. Vlad fights the way he does and also knocks out nearly all opponents. And most big HWs clinch, as well as you will see more clinching in almost any HW fight. Part of the game. Vitlai never clinched Sam Peter once. Didn't need to. Wlad couldn't stop mugging the guys back. Why is that? How come his only recourse against a slow , no skilled plodder - was to lay all over his back? In two fights?

So Fury better than Vitali now too. Right!!! I'm actually seeing things Russia's way in this whole Ukraine way (like most real people are outside of America), and so despite what Vitali is doing for his country being heroic and admirable as it is- it isn't what I believe is politically correct. But to think that this limey loud mouthed **** Fury could ever SERIOUSLY hold a candle to Vitali ****ing Klitschko is absolutely insane! Fury landed on Kingpin with a much higher connect % than Vitali did. Fury didn't have a mark on his face coming out of that fight. Vitali was all busted up. And he couldn't even drop him either. Chisora could and AJ bombed him away in pretty much the first round. Remember this Vitali wasn't even better than Chris Byrd.

So please enlighten me then... Show me all these better than mandatory opponents that Wladimir has missed out on? This should be good :lol1: The guy has totally cleaned out the division around 4 or 5 times now. No other boxer in history has done that. Not even Lennox Lewis! 3 or 4 times ?? lol He wasn't even ranked within the top 10 in 2004. To clean out the current division 3 or 4 times , he'd need to beat Povetkin 3 or 4 times. But he will never go near Povetkin ever again. If he was a great Champ , he would have made it his business to prove he could beat Povetkin in a boxing match. But it just proves he knows he could never out-box him fairly. Authentic greats take immediate rematches.

Wladimir's chin is strong enough to walk through Fury's shots as evidenced by the fight. As evidenced in the fight you say?? When exactly did Wlad walk right through Furys shots? You seem to believe this happened so in what round did it happen in? Don't run away now. Show me this 'evidence'. ? Oh look.. Whats this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q20DCdVxDNE

I was lazily watching that video embedded in your post and thinking to myself "Wow, that's some pretty full on wrestling-like clinches, that must get tiring by the 6th, 7th etc rounds" and as I watched maybe the 4th or 5th huge blatant octopus clinch, thought to myself "That's got to be one massive clinch a round, surely when it gets to the middle rounds, the ref has to start thinking of at least warning him" then I look down and see in the corner of the screen that we are only 30 seconds in to the first ****ing round!!! I nearly fell off my chair. I remember it being bad, but that is well beyond bad. That is into twilight zone, another realm, ****ing absurd territory. When you fight Wlad, you enter Wlad's own special clinchiverse. How the ref doesn't say anything is a disgrace. Even worse is that many, if not all, of his most ardent fans will have the gall to then go and criticise someone like Mayweather, who on his very worst day, will do that same amount of obvious clinches across a whole 12 round fight...but to do that many within the first 30 seconds of the very first round...and keep that same pattern up for a whole fight. :pat: This. It was one of the most foul and despicable displays of sportsmanship i ever witnessed. Ive never seen a boxer 100% deserving of a disqualification in every round. He should not even be champ today. Some Klitschko fans had the dignity to call it how it was but a lot actually had the bottom of the barrel dwelling opinions that Povetkin was the one to blame. Even the German press ripped Wlad a new one over that debacle.

Round 8 bell rings wlad comes Forward..AGAIN at 2:17 lands jab. Fury throws left hook ,doesn't land at 2:14 Both land jabs at 2:02.fury throws jab deflected at 1:34.nothing of significancelands the entire round...by default goes to the CHAMPION...Rnd...wlad round 9 Bell rings fury throws a few jabs that are ALL blocked.Wlad stalking..into a minute nothing has significantly landed..Fury throws a jab which is picked off and Wlad lands his own at 1:54.Wlad lands a nice right hand at 1:46,the best punch of the fight so far.Wlad has him going backward,both miss big right hands.fury throws a jab that shoots over wlads shoulder.Wlad turns his back and is hit with big left hookat 1:06.furry misses on all persuing punches.more clinmnchin.both throw a flurry,fury connects with aone on the inside at 47 sec.Fury lands nice left hook at 10.Sec...Rnd???? Rnd10 Bell rings..numerous jabs are thrown by both nothing landing...wlad lands at 2:38.over a minute and no one has landed any clean punch of note.Wlad continues to press Fury swings wildly and missesat 1:06.Wlad lands good right handat 9 sec.....what was that saying to beat the champ?....Rnd???you figure it out! rnd 11 is a draw fury was slightly up he got a point taken away..... rnd...EVEN Rnd 12 Wlad clearly won this rnd as all the rounds he won were clear...not so much for fury. Those can say whatever they like I did slow mo /replay/and looked at all the significant punches that compu box cant or doesn't do.....looks like fury old boy actually may have lost this fight...but who cares about punches that actually don't land right? In any case this is a razor close fight,anyone who claims otherwise after this UNBIASED breakdown ....I actually had to ease up and not score some rounds since the fanboys would be crying foul :owned: You haven't the slightest clue what you see when you watch boxing. You didn't credit Fury with a single body shot despite Fury landing more shots to Wlads torso than all of his opponents of the last 10 years combined. Body shots only count when Wlad lands a pitiful 3 or 4 over the 12 round distance. Fury's are completely ignored. Tyson was doing things in there that only the trained eye can pick up on. His tactics and subtle body attack form the outside clearly went over your head you mickey mouse , kiddie meal boxing fan. Oh and Fury was just 'slightly up' in the 11th?? That was Wlads worst round of the fight. He was lucky Weeks was on the pay roll , ready to save him and save him he did with a bogus point deduction - which wouldn't have happened had Wlad not turned and ran from the combat.