https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks159ByNzOw UFC former heavyweight champion said boxing is harder to learn than MMA is this true or it depends on the athlete?
Also true, although in regards to Boxing vs MMA i think it is harder to make it in boxing. First and foremost you need to have good people around, look at Usyk Below trained by Loma's dad. Mike Tyson trained by Cus D'Amato etc. These things matter just as much.
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Something not talked about in boxing. How important it is to have the right people invested in you I witnessed boxers with skills and dedication literally go no where but win a few amateur fights because they didn’t have the right people invest them
Age talk is overrated. People speak as if you need to be a child but Usyk, who is largely considered the best P4P fighter, started at 16. Its more about time spent in the ring and time spent honing ones craft. Starting as a child won't suddenly male you a great fighter.
Also true, although in regards to Boxing vs MMA i think it is harder to make it in boxing. First and foremost you need to have good people around, look at Usyk Below trained by Loma's dad. Mike Tyson trained by Cus D'Amato etc. These things matter just as much.
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Yeah but most of the progress is made when they get more serious later in their careers when they choose to commit to MMA. Whereas boxers are refining their skills from a young age.
Not that it is easy succeeding either way.
Age talk is overrated. People speak as if you need to be a child but Usyk, who is largely considered the best P4P fighter, started at 16. Its more about time spent in the ring and time spent honing ones craft. Starting as a child won't suddenly male you a great fighter.
Not an MMA fighter but K1. 9 fights all in all. I've done K1 extensively though as well BJJ in which I'm a blue belt. I currently train in boxing as well to supplement my kickboxing.
Boxing is actually easier to pick up and build up an early amateur resume. There is a reason why white collar boxing is a big thing but white collar MMA isn't. MMA is actually a lot harder to pick up because it can take years to be competent at each of the key areas. It takes 2-3 years to become decent blue belt in BJJ, 18 months to become even remotely competitive in boxing and a few years to become a decent wrestler. And that would require fitting two sessions of each every week at a minimum. It also takes about 2 years to learn how to properly kick.
Because of the sheer amount of time it takes to learn all those, the skill ceiling is a lot lower in MMA but much higher in boxing. There are just so many variables that can't be accounted for in MMA and won't be for another few decades as the sport matures. Boxing on the other hand has had at least 150 years of fine tuning to a damn near art. Hence why the ceiling skillwise is so much higher.
It's all applicable in MMA. Judo is the parent art to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Sambo in the first place and several top tier MMA fighters had Judo as their base art. The point is you acted like all those guys just casually strolled into the UFC when in reality they were all lifelong martial artists and established professional fighters.
There's a reason they call it mixed martial arts. Because you, quite literally, learn several martial arts and then mix them. Maybe you took a few years of karate as a kid, maybe you wrestled in high school, maybe you took up muay thai and BJJ after that and eventually rolled into MMA.
Look at Amanda Nunes. Karate and Capoeira as a little girl, boxing/Judo/BJJ as a teen, then a P4P MMA queen as an adult. It's cumulative.
Yeah but most of the progress is made when they get more serious later in their careers when they choose to commit to MMA. Whereas boxers are refining their skills from a young age.
Not that it is easy succeeding either way.
Who didn’t do judo when they were kids? In Euro countries Judo is easy accessible when little. It’s not like these guys where National champs from 15 yrs of age like Bivol. The gap in boxing is bigger to overcome against these guys .
It's all applicable in MMA. Judo is the parent art to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Sambo in the first place and several top tier MMA fighters had Judo as their base art. The point is you acted like all those guys just casually strolled into the UFC when in reality they were all lifelong martial artists and established professional fighters.
There's a reason they call it mixed martial arts. Because you, quite literally, learn several martial arts and then mix them. Maybe you took a few years of karate as a kid, maybe you wrestled in high school, maybe you took up muay thai and BJJ after that and eventually rolled into MMA.
Look at Amanda Nunes. Karate and Capoeira as a little girl, boxing/Judo/BJJ as a teen, then a P4P MMA queen as an adult. It's cumulative.
Benoit Saint Denis began Judo at age 8 and was a black belt by age 16, then he joined the military, then he began separate amateur kickboxing and competitive Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu careers, then he had 5 pro submission grappling fights, then he had 3 amateur MMA fights and 10 pro fights, then he made his UFC debut.
Sean Strickland was already training for the sport of MMA before he was thrown out of high school for being a racist. He had a 13-0 pro record before he made his UFC debut.
Roy Nelson was already into amateur wrestling, karate, and shaolin kung fu by high school. He had four years of BJJ and MMA training and 3 amateur fights before he made his pro debut and 17 pro fights before he made his UFC debut.
Alex Pereira is a two division world kickboxing champion who had 33 pro kickboxing fights, 1 pro boxing fight, 4 pro MMA fights, and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu brown belt before he made his UFC debut.
Who didn’t do judo when they were kids? In Euro countries Judo is easy accessible when little. It’s not like these guys where National champs from 15 yrs of age like Bivol. The gap in boxing is bigger to overcome against these guys .
Frenc fighter is Benoit Saint Denis, I believe Strickland got there pretty fast without specialising , Roy Nelson did a lot of other stuff. I don’t know too much abt MMA fighters. Pereira started late in kickboxing and made the transition in a few fights.
Benoit Saint Denis began Judo at age 8 and was a black belt by age 16, then he joined the military, then he began separate amateur kickboxing and competitive Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu careers, then he had 5 pro submission grappling fights, then he had 3 amateur MMA fights and 10 pro fights, then he made his UFC debut.
Sean Strickland was already training for the sport of MMA before he was thrown out of high school for being a racist. He had a 13-0 pro record before he made his UFC debut.
Roy Nelson was already into amateur wrestling, karate, and shaolin kung fu by high school. He had four years of BJJ and MMA training and 3 amateur fights before he made his pro debut and 17 pro fights before he made his UFC debut.
Alex Pereira is a two division world kickboxing champion who had 33 pro kickboxing fights, 1 pro boxing fight, 4 pro MMA fights, and a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu brown belt before he made his UFC debut.
Show me five fighters who walked into UFC and succeeded without an established pro MMA record and/or an extensive background in other martial arts or combat sports. Even Greg Hardy had 3 amateur fights and 3 pro fights before he made his official UFC debut and he ended up with a 2-5-0-1 record in the promotion and has since turned to low level pro boxing (3-0), Team Combat League (3-2 with 2 KO losses) and bare knuckle (0-1 with a knockout loss).
Frenc fighter is Benoit Saint Denis, I believe Strickland got there pretty fast without specialising , Roy Nelson did a lot of other stuff. I don’t know too much abt MMA fighters. Pereira started late in kickboxing and made the transition in a few fights. Volk was a college rugby player that started in his 20s, did some wrestling in Australia but not much.
Still there are more people walking into MMA from scratch then vice versa. Not having an extensive background in other combat sports. The standup part can be learned pretty quick, and is the most important, then some ground game and you are set, build from that along the way. You need to have talent for sure, and proper instructors/team that is the hard part or you could be wasting a lot more time.
Raw physical attributes (size, strength athleticism, power etc) will definitely take you a lot further in MMA. A guy like Derrick Lewis wouldnt have gotten anywhere near as far as he has if he had been in boxing instead.
Still there are more people walking into MMA from scratch then vice versa. Not having an extensive background in other combat sports. The standup part can be learned pretty quick, and is the most important, then some ground game and you are set, build from that along the way. You need to have talent for sure, and proper instructors/team that is the hard part or you could be wasting a lot more time.
Show me five fighters who walked into UFC and succeeded without an established pro MMA record and/or an extensive background in other martial arts or combat sports. Even Greg Hardy had 3 amateur fights and 3 pro fights before he made his official UFC debut and he ended up with a 2-5-0-1 record in the promotion and has since turned to low level pro boxing (3-0), Team Combat League (3-2 with 2 KO losses) and bare knuckle (0-1 with a knockout loss).
True. MMA by its nature is a sport you can transition into from other combat sports though, thats what its been since its inception. MIXED martial arts. Boxing isnt a hybrid sport so theres not many skills from other sports that are transferable.
Still there are more people walking into MMA from scratch then vice versa. Not having an extensive background in other combat sports. The standup part can be learned pretty quick, and is the most important, then some ground game and you are set, build from that along the way. You need to have talent for sure, and proper instructors/team that is the hard part or you could be wasting a lot more time.
You have people walk into UFC with a few years of training if they got the base athleticism down, in boxing, no.
True. MMA by its nature is a sport you can transition into from other combat sports though, thats what its been since its inception. MIXED martial arts. Boxing isnt a hybrid sport so theres not many skills from other sports that are transferable.
Ngannou had 7 pro MMA fights and 1 pro kickboxing fight before he made his UFC debut and he had a year of boxing training before he began his MMA training.
And, in case you forget, he also walked back into boxing and dropped and cut Tyson Fury in a close fight.
And got KTFO’d. Besides Ngannou is a PED case. In MMA the standup level is not really that high, so if you train stand up for 2 years under the right tutelage and learn some takedown defence and some other ground stuff you are well along the way to elite level if you are talented.
In boxing 2 years is nothing, almost no chance of catching up with life long practitioners with roughly the same talent who know the in and outs of footwork, punching etc. Takes long time to refine , with MMA you can get away with crude stuff.
Boxing is easier to become halfway competent at, but then harder to become elite at, because the much narrower skillset means its easier to plateau and harder to find areas you can improve in once you get to a certain level. With MMA it is essentially impossible to master, or even come close, so there are always areas you can work on to get better and with the much broader range of skills there are way more strategies you can try if plan A doesnt work.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks159ByNzOw UFC former heavyweight champion said boxing is harder to learn than MMA is this true or it depends on the athlete?
Its like saying is learning to compete in professional—-boxing, jujitsu, wrestling, NBA basketball, foot ball, soccer, baseball, golf…………..Yea, st-upid question.
Define learn. If you want to learn boxing,you learn the basic punches,footwork,and defence,and congrats,you "learned how to box". For MMA, just on the feet there could be boxing,kickboxing,karate,judo, taekwondo,muay thai. On the ground there's freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling,BJJ, and sambo to name a few.
It's like asking if becoming completely fluid in Japanese is easier than becoming conversational in English,Spanish,German and Portuguese at the same time. Different things boss.
Um is this some kind of trick question? Which one is easier to learn?? You know boxing is included in MMA right? So therefore MMA because there are other disciplines to learn.. brain dead peeps lol
I think the hardest thing to learn is mental toughness and that would come in MMA. With boxing the rules are much more defined...and the referees and doctors are going to have you take less punishment. With MMA there is more likelyhood of serious or permanent injury because its more of a bloodsport so it requires a different mentality. 3 straight solid punches taken can see a clinch and break in boxing...or even a stoppage. Often times in MMA a person will need to be choked unconcious...have their face caved in on the ground or can have a bone dislocated or broken before a fight looks like stopping. At that point skill goes out the window...it then becomes what you are willing to do and what you are willing to take. I had a son in law who trained black belt in karate. I asked him why he didnt compete in amateur tournaments...and he said simply he didnt like confrontation. He didnt want to hurt someone nor be hurt. Hopeful of the need for self defence only....but aware of the risk involved in attacking someone for no reason.
Boxing and MMA are easy to learn, though its very difficult to be really good at either, there are so many things that are hard to learn even the basics such as a musical instrument where the basics of fighting is simple by comparison.