Carl Froch is beyond overrated....

i don't know who he is and how he got in the hall of fame. some weird cultic push going on am pretty sure.

a lot of british people have a very sanctimonious nature where they like to present themselves as intellectually honest and superior, but they only attack what is easy to attack. they need this, to make up for their many other shortcomings in life. when people have personality disorders and confidence issues, they just need something to talk about that joe public can agree with. Froch absolutely craves the attention and praise. All he has to do to receive it, is side with joe public on the going narrative of the day. he never had the sack to criticise Tyson Fury until he saw the public do it. he was kissing aj's backside when it was convenient. Carl the Corward Froch...

RJJ-94-02=GOAT the reason why i never posted a thread like this before, is because right now, Froch is everywhere. the interview with simon jordan, he has his youtube channel, they're talking about him on twitter and on facebook (in the boxing groups) he's been dissing aj for years, i didnt post a thread about it until now. He's decided to double down..and notice he's gone after Fury aswell now, because it's easy to criticise a bit of fury right now but it's still in a controlled way. if the public determines it's time to hate someone, Froch pops out peddling that hate to make himself the hero of british boxing. He's basically just kate hopkins isnt he?

I'm so sick and tired of someone being called overrated. nobody views Froch as a all-time p4p champion. He is far from overrated. So far Ali, Louis Monzon Duran, and Leonard are all overrated on this board. he is literally being praised every single time he puts out a youtube video. read the comments they're going on about how amazing he was. his heart, his determination. it is almost fking polythiestic at this point. like they've made him into a God.

Show a little respect. He was the 2nd best Super middleweight of his time. :lol1:

He's very smug when he dismisses the weaknesses in other men's resume's. They all praise him, call him a legend, underrated, honest etc. What exactly are froch's acheivements (in relative terms, i mean on the world level). Kessler lost in any big fight he had...but he beat Froch once. Froch lost to Dirrell, Ward and Kessler. That's so fkin average to me. I can't believe a guy on that level gets talked about like a legend. The Cobra has a respectable resume: 33 fights, 24 Knockouts. Only losses were to Andre Ward, and Mikkel Kessler (but beat Kessler in a rematch) Carl Froch's achievements also include: Competing in the prestigious Super Six Tournament, and came up 2nd. Got a revenge win vs. Kessler 2013 Beat Arthur Abraham 2010 Beat George Groves twice back to back 2013 & 2014 Big comeback win vs. Jermaine Taylor 2009 Classic Battle vs. Glen Johnson 2011 Beat Yusaf Mack 2012 Beat Lucian Bute 2012 Beat Jean Pascual 2008 5 star win vs. Andre Dirrell 2009 Captured the WBC Title in 2008 vs. Pascual Lost it to Kessler in 2010, then won it back the same year vs. Abraham Defended the WBC Belt all the way up to 2011, and lost it to Andre Ward in the Super Six Tournament. Won the IBF title in 2012 vs. Yusaf Mack Revenge win and WBA title vs. Kessler in 2013 Defends both IBF and WBA Title vs. George Groves both by Knockout. Yah, i think Carl Froch has done enough for Boxing. He may be smug, but he definitely put in his work.

You know, back in the day you'd be Red k'd to death and put on block ASAP for crap threads like this. Overated my ass. Tell that to the 120,000 screaming Brits that showed up to see him knock George Groves the heck out. if you beat arthur abraham and lucien bute.. you get knighted you get an entire church claiming the book of Revelation fortold your ascent. they say you have the holy spirit in you to me, as a normal person with a degree of sanity about me...i call it excessive, i say he's overrated. if he was humble and people said he's sh**, id say he's underrated and people are wrong. so it's all relative really. right now, go upto the average british granny and ask her how much she rates carl froch "LEGEND IS CARL THE CRUSADER FROCH" "THE MOST HONEST MAN IN BRITAIN" "BETTER THAN SIMON JORDAN AND ROY KEANE" "WE WON THE WAR BECAUSE OF FROCH" "I NAMED BY GREAT GRANDAUGHTER AFTER CARL FROCH" to me, that is just a bit excessive and i have to express myself somewhere. Why should i get blocked for just saying 'he's a bit overrated' i know Jesus himself hyped up Lucien Bute, but come on, Jesus was a bit hyped up himself. not like he ever conquered anything except death....and tyson fury did that at least 3 times against wilder.

However one important point about this is, modern sports science and nutrition (something wlad himself has a degree in, or is it a masters, i forget). the guy is very fit and active, even now he's fitter than most 30 year old men. We've seen boxers at 35 turn into a tub of lard with nothing left in the tank. basically an inexperienced aj fought an experienced but past it wlad.. whilst fury fought a version of wlad that was mentally not all there for various reasons (and actually, i LOVED the way tyson fury mentally destroyed him, i was rooting for fury the whole time, but i admir wlad and think it's unfair that people just think he was at his best when fury beat him). bro i despite froch because he's a hater. you think im doing this because i had some type of magical love for aj. i support aj, but over the years ive supported and enjoyed whyte's fights more than aj. you know why? he's just more personable and funny to me, his journey and story is better to follow. i can barely relate to aj. chisora im more indifferent about with regards to his actual fights, but he's a character. Fury was always a character but he came with severe bitterness and narcissism too that put me off supporting him. i dont understand how anyone out there can think positively about froch in anyway. the guy is an absolute peice of sh**. He's hated on amir khan for years too. WHY? just because it's the easy target and the way to galvanise, i guess..the alt right (afterall he is edl himself). that factors into my opinion of him. he wasnt trash talking aj after the wlad fight was he? he waited for the opportune time, which shows what he's really about...a coward. Wlad was an old man in boxing terms, he was showing signs of decline against Jennings, he was past it against Fury and he was washed when he fought AJ. Froch is always talking sh** about fighters, he’s like a bitter old man, you’ve never made a thread like this before though, it’s blatantly because he’s targeting AJ. C’mon man you can’t deny that. :lol1: I think a lot of you Joshua fans need to realise AJ wasn’t the fighter you thought he was tbh. Froch is definitely being harsh and it’s likely because of the McCracken situation, however, he isn’t completely wrong, Froch does have the better legacy.

That era was pretty solid though. Ward, Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Dirrell, Taylor, Bute, Johnson etc bute, jermain taylor, abraham, glen johnson... .... if i was to compare them to guys from more familiar divisions in recent years, id not put them above, say...collazo, devon alexander type of levels. it isnt much different to Usyk's run in the CW division...if i was to put Ward in the same category as Usyk (as elite) and then look at their opponents levels in their run up, it's obv that was a weak division compared to the other divisions. look at LHW, that is stacked AF.

Wlad was 41, 18 months inactive and coming off a loss. Solid win but it wasn’t that impressive. Froch’s wins over Bute, Pascal who were undefeated and in their prime are far more impressive. I know you AJ fans are salty cause Froch is sticking to AJ atm. I don’t agree with everything Froch says and he’s overly harsh in some respects but there is some truth to what he’s saying. Joshua was somewhat of a manufactured champion. Hearn matched him very smartly pre-Ruiz. However one important point about this is, modern sports science and nutrition (something wlad himself has a degree in, or is it a masters, i forget). the guy is very fit and active, even now he's fitter than most 30 year old men. We've seen boxers at 35 turn into a tub of lard with nothing left in the tank. basically an inexperienced aj fought an experienced but past it wlad.. whilst fury fought a version of wlad that was mentally not all there for various reasons (and actually, i LOVED the way tyson fury mentally destroyed him, i was rooting for fury the whole time, but i admir wlad and think it's unfair that people just think he was at his best when fury beat him). bro i despite froch because he's a hater. you think im doing this because i had some type of magical love for aj. i support aj, but over the years ive supported and enjoyed whyte's fights more than aj. you know why? he's just more personable and funny to me, his journey and story is better to follow. i can barely relate to aj. chisora im more indifferent about with regards to his actual fights, but he's a character. Fury was always a character but he came with severe bitterness and narcissism too that put me off supporting him. i dont understand how anyone out there can think positively about froch in anyway. the guy is an absolute peice of sh**. He's hated on amir khan for years too. WHY? just because it's the easy target and the way to galvanise, i guess..the alt right (afterall he is edl himself). that factors into my opinion of him. he wasnt trash talking aj after the wlad fight was he? he waited for the opportune time, which shows what he's really about...a coward.

That's not saying much. Historically smw has always been filled with mediocrity. Hell even now That era was pretty solid though. Ward, Kessler, Froch, Abraham, Dirrell, Taylor, Bute, Johnson etc

100% agreed. I believe beating lucien bute and arthur abraham were superior wins, than aj beating wladmir klitschko....some ukranian bum (wtf even is ukraine, right?) Here's the thing..ive argued these points before... wlad, going into that fury fight, was probably just bored and underwhelmed by it all. 10 years as a champ, all these gob****e mandatories, dealing with fury's bs and threats of cancelling the fight. not to mention fury previously faking an injury to delay the fight..and all the while wlad had his first and only child at home with some skanky american wh*re of a baby mama causing trouble (look up hayden's history, she was battered by her american crackwh*re tranny bf later). Wlad won sole custody of his daughter and then he fought aj. So i think by the time the aj fight came, we saw a much happier, content, motivated version of wlad, with nothing to lose, zero pressure. just there for the good of boxing, enjoying it all. you'd read this and think i wanted fury to lose, but that's not how it was. Seeing the way clowns like froch say 'oh but aj could never beat a younger wlad', forget that the younger inexperienced version of wlad had 3 losses and he never avenged them. wlad used his experience in that fight against aj, the way he forced aj's hand to tire him. younger champions don't have that type of boxing iq. Wlad was 41, 18 months inactive and coming off a loss. Solid win but it wasn’t that impressive. Froch’s wins over Bute, Pascal who were undefeated and in their prime are far more impressive. I know you AJ fans are salty cause Froch is sticking to AJ atm. I don’t agree with everything Froch says and he’s overly harsh in some respects but there is some truth to what he’s saying. Joshua was somewhat of a manufactured champion. Hearn matched him very smartly pre-Ruiz.

I actually do agree Froch’s resume is overrated, he has multiple very good B level wins but nothing that special. He’s still levels above AJ though in terms of resume- we all know this is why you made this thread. :lol1: 100% agreed. I believe beating lucien bute and arthur abraham were superior wins, than aj beating wladmir klitschko....some ukranian bum (wtf even is ukraine, right?) Here's the thing..ive argued these points before... wlad, going into that fury fight, was probably just bored and underwhelmed by it all. 10 years as a champ, all these gobsh*te mandatories, dealing with fury's bs and threats of cancelling the fight. not to mention fury previously faking an injury to delay the fight..and all the while wlad had his first and only child at home with some skanky american wh*re of a baby mama causing trouble (look up hayden's history, she was battered by her american crackwh*re tranny bf later). Wlad won sole custody of his daughter and then he fought aj. So i think by the time the aj fight came, we saw a much happier, content, motivated version of wlad, with nothing to lose, zero pressure. just there for the good of boxing, enjoying it all. you'd read this and think i wanted fury to lose, but that's not how it was. Seeing the way clowns like froch say 'oh but aj could never beat a younger wlad', forget that the younger inexperienced version of wlad had 3 losses and he never avenged them. wlad used his experience in that fight against aj, the way he forced aj's hand to tire him. younger champions don't have that type of boxing iq.

Froch had one of the hardest run in a row with top contender. No one for a long time and at the time had so many as he faced especially coming from the UK. He talked but he backed it up. He was nothing special in a specific area but knew how to make it work for him. That first Kessler fight could had gone either way and he did not loose that Dirrell fight, it was close and could had gone either way too. After he got beaten by Ward he had another good run. Solid fighter if you ask me but not a legend. he lost to dirrell mate, he got the home decision. Kessler was never a great, id put him in the same category as a jean pascal. So beating him aswell as losing to him sums up froch's level as a fighter. As for his run...sorry, lucien bute, arthur abraham and the like were rdog average. it's like amir khan beating devon alexander..people rated the performance but they knew it was irrelevant because there was a higher level amir was never going to reach with the likes of porter, brook, thurman, spence, garcia. it's the same with froch. plus he boxed in a weak era/division.

Carl Frotch is jealous of the mighty king Tyson Fury. Mr Frotch how do you beat Andre Ward? He part of Fraudroom's A*SELICKING Joshua protection team :fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::fuckyou::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Not overrated at all imo, depends how seriously you take the hof i suppose but even if you don't think he should be in it you can't deny he was one of the best smw fighters of his generation.

Froch as a fighter was very limited physically. 2 left feet. swings punches from the hips. opponents can't miss his head. however he is a true fighter with a great engine. he will almost always be down on the cards as he rallies from behind to win a fight. the exact opposite of Joshua really. who has all the fundamentals and is quick. but lacks heart and engine. so he will always be winning then lose in the end

I actually do agree Froch’s resume is overrated, he has multiple very good B level wins but nothing that special. He’s still levels above AJ though in terms of resume- we all know this is why you made this thread. :lol1:

A great British fighter. Legendary in Britain. Great chin, iron will and stamina. That said, quite poor in ability and not a great ring IQ. Got exposed at world level. Got a home cooked decision against Andre Dirrell and taken to school by Dirrel. No PEDS testing and questionable handwraps against Bute.

Froch had one of the hardest run in a row with top contender. No one for a long time and at the time had so many as he faced especially coming from the UK. He talked but he backed it up. He was nothing special in a specific area but knew how to make it work for him. That first Kessler fight could had gone either way and he did not loose that Dirrell fight, it was close and could had gone either way too. After he got beaten by Ward he had another good run. Solid fighter if you ask me but not a legend.